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Postby Herskerstad » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:16 pm

Sorry Erdogan, Vikings and co beat your fantasy Islamic express to the new world.

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Erdoğan is on a whole new existential plane of stupid.

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Postby Tierra Prime » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:24 pm

There's no evidence to support his claims of course.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:31 pm

The Turkish government is known for its revisionist history, so I wouldn't put much stock in anything Erdogan says.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:36 pm

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You deny that dinosaurs and the Apollo program were a scam to humiliate Erdogan?

There is hard evidence that both happened.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:38 pm

The more I think abut it, the more I think the basic premise is correct. Not the mosque but the Muslims were there before columbus.

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Postby Chestaan » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:41 pm

Turkey, I have no idea what your president is smoking but damn it must be good!

Anyway wasn't Lief Ericsson supposed to have been to America?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:42 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:The more I think abut it, the more I think the basic premise is correct. Not the mosque but the Muslims were there before columbus.

The only one I can think of the possibility of Muslim Malian explorers about a century before?
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Postby Flyover » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:43 pm

And I thought they were good at denying historical events before...
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I think he's on crack.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:46 pm

-The Trade Federation- wrote:What 'bout dem Vikings ?

The Norsemen went to Canada for all their lumberjacking needs, but their attempts to establish a colony was cut short by the local population.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:47 pm

The Atlanteans were there first!
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The more I think abut it, the more I think the basic premise is correct. Not the mosque but the Muslims were there before columbus.

The only one I can think of the possibility of Muslim Malian explorers about a century before?

I think the answer is fishing. We know the Portuguese have been going ocean fishing since the 800's. I don't know enough abut it. I know in the 15th century, they were fishing the st Georges bank. Latin America is a lot closer.

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Postby Senyosu » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:49 pm

Go home Erdogone. Stop drinking all the arak.


Well, there is always the claims the Chinese discovered the Americas around the same time as the Vikings, the west coast, that is.

Eh. Quacks everywhere, I suppose.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:51 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:The Atlanteans were there first!

Well, there is this British ex RAF cartographer who theorized that Atlantis was actually South America.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:52 pm

Seaxeland wrote:Erdoğan is on a whole new existential plane of stupid.

This.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:52 pm

The Norse discovered the Americas before either group. Case closed.
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Postby Douden » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:54 pm

Baltenstein wrote:And this just in:

Putin called from the G20 summit and clarified that it was actually Russians who first discovered the Americas. Just so you know. :p

Actually it was the glorious Kim Jong Un

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:54 pm

Luziyca wrote:The Norse discovered the Americas before either group. Case closed.

That wasn't his claim. He said Muslims were there before columbus.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:55 pm

Luziyca wrote:The Norse discovered the Americas before either group. Case closed.

And there is also reason to believe that ancient Egypt traded with South American civilizations, since they found traces of tobacco in Egyptian mummies.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:57 pm

The Muslims were pretty good navigators, sailing across the Indian Ocean and spreading Islam to Southeast Asia, however, I really doubt they made it to the Americas. Ships certainly weren't up to snuff for crossing the Atlantic Ocean at this time, certainly not when Erdogan suggests (this would be in the middle of the crusades, when Muslims had much greater concerns than what lied beyond that vast sea to their West).

The only people who had a half-decent chance of discovering America before Columbus were:

-Asian tribesmen, who crossed the Bering straight and settled in the Americas roughly 10,000 years before Columbus
-The Vikings, whose brief decade-long settlement has been discovered in l'Anse-aux-Meadows, Newfoundland
-The Basques, who may or may not have been fishing off the Grand Banks of Newfoundland in the early 1400's
-The Polynesians, although their pre-Columbian discovery of the Americas is just about as unlikely as that of the Muslims.

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Postby Communist Volkstrad » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:57 pm

Douden wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:And this just in:

Putin called from the G20 summit and clarified that it was actually Russians who first discovered the Americas. Just so you know. :p

Actually it was the glorious Kim Jong Un

Yes. The Kim dynasty invented steamships way long ago and traveled to America even before the Vikings, because we all know that North Korea inven- OH GOD! NOT THE FACE, NOT THE FACE!

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Vikings, because we all know that True Korea*Please save me* invented everything.
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Postby Coia » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:59 pm

And Muslims made the earth
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