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Postby Avenio » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:42 pm

Papait wrote:
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Anyway wasn't Lief Ericsson supposed to have been to America?


Actually it was his Father Eric the Red, since Greenland is America too, but the first to discover the mainland is Leif, aside from off course the natives and the polynesians who may have visited south America and taken potatoes with them


If we're arguing that being part of the North American Plate makes it 'America', then whoever discovered Iceland was the first, since half of Iceland sits on the N'American Plate.

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Postby Lydenburg » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:45 pm

I guess it's not altogether impossible, just highly unlikely.

The Muslim world was highly undercredited for some of their achievements in the realm of exploration. For example, they became the first civilisation to map the east African coast from Egypt to Mozambique proper. Long before Western Europeans had the slightest inkling as to what was south of Sahel.

But if the Muslims are often overlooked for their important contributions to this sphere so are the Vikings and their Norman descendants. To this day few recall that Lief Erikson reached the New World before Columbus, in the same manner we overlook that the Normans established the first sub-Saharan colonies long before Vasco da Gama.

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Postby FutureAmerica » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:49 pm

The Scandinvans wrote:
FutureAmerica wrote:I'm quite certain that the native american Indians discovered America.
Everyone else has come in a distant second or third.
The more interesting question is did people travel through the interior of Canada or down the Pacific coast?


According to dna evidence, they did both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas

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Postby FutureAmerica » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:53 pm

Timmy City wrote:Everyone knows that Leif Eriksson discovered the Americas first.


Leif did discover Iceland, but the Inuits got to Greenland first.

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Postby Papait » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:53 pm

Avenio wrote:
Papait wrote:
Actually it was his Father Eric the Red, since Greenland is America too, but the first to discover the mainland is Leif, aside from off course the natives and the polynesians who may have visited south America and taken potatoes with them


If we're arguing that being part of the North American Plate makes it 'America', then whoever discovered Iceland was the first, since half of Iceland sits on the N'American Plate.


No I'm not talkig about plates, but its like generally accepted that Greenland is part of America, just like Trinidad, Cuba and So on
and just like how Britain, Japan and Ireland are part of Eurasia, Madagaskar is part of Africa, and Timor and New Guinea are part of Australia
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Postby Papait » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:55 pm

FutureAmerica wrote:
Timmy City wrote:Everyone knows that Leif Eriksson discovered the Americas first.


Leif did discover Iceland, but the Inuits got to Greenland first.


Actually the Inuit were later than the Europeans, the Dorset were the original inhabitants, but were driven to extinction by the Inuit between the colonisation in ca. 1000 and the recolonisation about 500 years later
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Postby Lydenburg » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:56 pm

Papait wrote:
Avenio wrote:
If we're arguing that being part of the North American Plate makes it 'America', then whoever discovered Iceland was the first, since half of Iceland sits on the N'American Plate.


No I'm not talkig about plates, but its like generally accepted that Greenland is part of America, just like Trinidad, Cuba and So on
and just like how Britain, Japan and Ireland are part of Eurasia, Madagaskar is part of Africa, and Timor and New Guinea are part of Australia


Madagascar has been universally accepted as part of Africa. It's when we get to the Seychelles or Mauritius that we aren't so sure any more.

BTW Timor and New Guinea aren't part of the Australian continent.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:57 pm

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Silvio Berlusconi hasn't is yet to arrive for their epic parties.

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Postby Papait » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:01 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Papait wrote:
No I'm not talkig about plates, but its like generally accepted that Greenland is part of America, just like Trinidad, Cuba and So on
and just like how Britain, Japan and Ireland are part of Eurasia, Madagaskar is part of Africa, and Timor and New Guinea are part of Australia


Madagascar has been universally accepted as part of Africa. It's when we get to the Seychelles or Mauritius that we aren't so sure any more.

BTW Timor and New Guinea aren't part of the Australian continent.


I said Madagaskar was part of Africa.
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Postby Scepez » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:02 pm

Papait wrote:
Lydenburg wrote:
Madagascar has been universally accepted as part of Africa. It's when we get to the Seychelles or Mauritius that we aren't so sure any more.

BTW Timor and New Guinea aren't part of the Australian continent.


I said Madagaskar was part of Africa.
So what IS part of the Australian continent then?


...Australia?

Well sometimes New Zealand get's thrown in there too.
???

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Postby Ayreonia » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:04 pm

Sure, we've always been at war with Eastasia.
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Postby Equatoguinea (Ancient) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:05 pm

I thought the compromise to that debate was to scrap the concept of an Australian continent in favor of an Oceanic continent encompassing Australia and its proximate islands.

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Postby Conscentia » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:06 pm

Papait wrote:
Lydenburg wrote:
Madagascar has been universally accepted as part of Africa. It's when we get to the Seychelles or Mauritius that we aren't so sure any more.

BTW Timor and New Guinea aren't part of the Australian continent.


I said Madagaskar was part of Africa.
So what IS part of the Australian continent then?

There is no such thing as the "Australian continent".
The continent is called Oceania or in older texts Australasia (which means Southern Asia).

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Postby Scepez » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:08 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Papait wrote:
I said Madagaskar was part of Africa.
So what IS part of the Australian continent then?

There is no such thing as the "Australian continent".
The continent is called Oceania or in older texts Australasia (which means Southern Asia).


Oceania is the region, actually.
???


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Postby Conscentia » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:11 pm

Scepez wrote:
Conscentia wrote:There is no such thing as the "Australian continent".
The continent is called Oceania or in older texts Australasia (which means Southern Asia).

Oceania is the region, actually.

In Britain, it's also the name of the continent.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:12 pm

Oh Erdy, u so funny.

Seriously, that distinction probably goes to the Vikings.
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Postby Scepez » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:13 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Scepez wrote:Oceania is the region, actually.

In Britain, it's also the name of the continent.


Oh, I see.

This video explains it pretty well I think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhe9zTmKVz8
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Postby FutureAmerica » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:15 pm

Papait wrote:
FutureAmerica wrote:
Leif did discover Iceland, but the Inuits got to Greenland first.


Actually the Inuit were later than the Europeans, the Dorset were the original inhabitants, but were driven to extinction by the Inuit between the colonisation in ca. 1000 and the recolonisation about 500 years later


If Greenland is a part of North America, and Alaska is a part of North America, then the Siberians got to Alaska more than 30,000 years ago. Lief comes in a distant second.


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Postby Vetalia » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:21 pm

I think he proves the adage "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit."
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Postby Ermarian » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:22 pm

Well, sure there were Muslim settlements in Mexico in 12th century, up until Gandhi nuked them.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:23 pm

Vetalia wrote:I think he proves the adage "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit."


Hey, it worked for Columbus. And that man did write a lot of bullshit about himself.
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