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Muslims discovered America before Columbus, says Erdogan

Postby Baltenstein » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:30 pm

The Turkish president, ever the joker, held a speech in which he claimed that Muslims sailed to the Americas several centuries before Columbus and left their marks in form of Cuban mosques, which Columbus also wrote about apparently.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said that the Americas were discovered by Muslims in the 12th century, nearly three centuries before Christopher Columbus set foot there.

"Contacts between Latin America and Islam date back to the 12th century. Muslims discovered America in 1178, not Christopher Columbus," the president said in a televised speech during an Istanbul summit of Muslim leaders from Latin America.

"Muslim sailors arrived in America from 1178. Columbus mentioned the existence of a mosque on a hill on the Cuban coast," Erdogan said.

The president also said that Ankara was prepared to build a mosque at the site mentioned by the Genoese explorer, the AFP news agency reported.

"I would like to talk about it to my Cuban brothers. A mosque would go perfectly on the hill today," he said.

Most history books say that Columbus set foot on the American continent in 1492, while seeking a new maritime route to India.

Some Muslim scholars have recently suggested a prior Muslim presence in the Americas, although no pre-Columbus ruin of an Islamic structure has ever been found.

In a controversial article published in 1996, historian Youssef Mroueh refers to a diary entry from Columbus that mentions a mosque in Cuba.

However, the passage is widely understood to be a metaphorical reference to the shape of the landscape.


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 41516.html

What do you think? Personally, I just think it's Erdogan being, well, Erdogan.

Even the claims about Zheng He or other Chinese explorers setting foot on the Americas before Columbus are probably more likely than this theory.
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Postby Laerod » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:32 pm

Looks like someone is putting too much stock in the Age of Empires III campaign's historical accuracy.

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Postby Coccygia » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:33 pm

Bet they invented baseball too.
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Damnit, Erdogan. Get back to your 100-room palace and snort your cocaine.
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What 'bout dem Vikings ?
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Postby Meinkraft » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:35 pm

Phonecians did too, so what?
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Postby Velk Island » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:35 pm

T'was the vikings, dammit! Why does everyone forget the vikings?

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I'll bet he just spews anything that makes him seem like a holy figure in the eyes of Muslims...
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Laerod wrote:Looks like someone is putting too much stock in the Age of Empires III campaign's historical accuracy.

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On the subject, shall we build a Viking stave church in Newfoundland?
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I'll bet we faked the dinosaur fossils and the Moon landing too.
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Postby The Klishi Islands » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:37 pm

Why does it matter who technically discovered it first? The important thing is that Europeans were the first ones to come settle and found colonies en masse, push out/slaughter the Native Americans, and create the New World that we know today. The Vikings still landed before these "Muslim explorers," and the Natives arrived before that. But the Europeans were the ones that created the modern-day countries. Even if the Muslims landed, they had no impact on history.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:38 pm

And this just in:

Putin called from the G20 summit and clarified that it was actually Russians who first discovered the Americas. Just so you know. :p
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Velk Island wrote:T'was the vikings, dammit! Why does everyone forget the vikings?


Actually it was Polynesians

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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:49 pm

The discovery of the Americas by Columbus wasn't special because it was the first time that mankind realized there was something on that side of the ocean it was special because it kicked off the colonial scramble for the continent.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:00 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if he were right. Portuguese fishermen in all likelihood fished the st Georges bank, before columbus. How far back I don't know.

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Postby Soled » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:01 pm

And so? Did we ever see any major muslim colonization of the Americas before the Europeans, huh?
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Anglo-California wrote:I'll bet we faked the dinosaur fossils and the Moon landing too.

No no the Muslims invented dinosaurs and landed on the moon first.
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Anglo-California wrote:I'll bet we faked the dinosaur fossils and the Moon landing too.

A bet you would undoubtedly lose.


You deny that dinosaurs and the Apollo program were a scam to humiliate Erdogan?
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Anglo-California wrote:I'll bet we faked the dinosaur fossils and the Moon landing too.

No no the Muslims invented dinosaurs and landed on the moon first.


And Beethoven was black and so were the ancient Mexicans and the Chinese sailed to America.
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Anglo-California wrote:
Croatia-Slavonia wrote:No no the Muslims invented dinosaurs and landed on the moon first.


And Beethoven was black and so were the ancient Mexicans and the Chinese sailed to America.


Not to mention Santa was an Islamic prophet.
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