Will Massachusetts go red?

[Rolamec]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010 ... -heats-up/

It's interesting, I got the email from MoveOn.org talking about the campaign earlier. Honestly I can't imagine a Democrat losing in Massachusetts, but with Ted Kennedy gone, is it possible?

Your thoughts!

[Rolamec]

Okay. To add a point, let us assume she did lose, what do you think that would say about how the United States feels towards Obama and the Democratic majority. I mean this is Massachusetts, in New England, where only two years ago every Republican or nearly every Republican on the Congressional level was gone.

I think that would say something.

[Blouman Empire]

I can't believe no one has said anything yet.

Can it be? Is all of NSG tired of American politics?

Say it isn't so.

[Gauthier]

Okay. To add a point, let us assume she did lose, what do you think that would say about how the United States feels towards Obama and the Democratic majority. I mean this is Massachusetts, in New England, where only two years ago every Republican or nearly every Republican on the Congressional level was gone.

I think that would say something.

If it does go Red, you can kiss all those legalized gay marriages goodbye.

[Rolamec]

Sorry, I didn't mean to add on more of something that was annoying people. I just thought it was interesting. Had Ted Kennedy been around, I would have had no doubts, but with him gone, with unpopularity hitting the Democrats, I think its a scary picture. That Massachusetts could go red, would deflate the morale of the Democrats and only increase the arrogance of the Republicans.

[Paleosylvania]

It won't go red. The polls you are citing are Rasmussen, which always oversamples his republican respondents.

The only way that Massachusetts can go red is if Obama disappoints his base too much, and half the Democrats stay home.

[Rolamec]

Hope your right.

[Cheremis]

Guess what?

A recent poll, not by Rassmussen, showed 45 % of the Democrats are so disappoited with Obama that they might just stay home. I suppose a GOTV-campaign will save the day for Coakley, but it will be close shave in the end.

[Gauthier]

Guess what?

A recent poll, not by Rassmussen, showed 45 % of the Democrats are so disappoited with Obama that they might just stay home. I suppose a GOTV-campaign will save the day for Coakley, but it will be close shave in the end.

All they have to do is say that Legalized Gay Marriage is being threatened.

[Rolamec]

Wow, just realized I had it saying "...possibly?" oi

[Callisdrun]

It won't go red. The polls you are citing are Rasmussen, which always oversamples his republican respondents.

The only way that Massachusetts can go red is if Obama disappoints his base too much, and half the Democrats stay home.

That's how the Republicans always win.

[Rolamec]

True. We shouldn't underestimate the fact that Republican victories are the results of low turns outs (especially amongst Democrats) and high ones by conservatives. I really don't want to see 09 become another 94.

[New Chalcedon]

It won't go red. The polls you are citing are Rasmussen, which always oversamples his republican respondents.

The only way that Massachusetts can go red is if Obama disappoints his base too much, and half the Democrats stay home.

That's how the Republicans always win.

Or via misleading ads, such as the misleading ad which quoted Coakley as saying "We've got to raise taxes". She said this in the context of raising tax revenue by increasing employment: the Republicans said that this meant that she's going to raise the tax rates.

Lies, deceit and thuggery....just another day in the life of a teabagger.

[Callisdrun]

True. We shouldn't underestimate the fact that Republican victories are the results of low turns outs (especially amongst Democrats) and high ones by conservatives. I really don't want to see 09 become another 94.

Indeed. There are significantly more Democrats than Republicans. If all the Democrats voted every time, they'd never lose. They never do all vote, though.

[Callisdrun]

It won't go red. The polls you are citing are Rasmussen, which always oversamples his republican respondents.

The only way that Massachusetts can go red is if Obama disappoints his base too much, and half the Democrats stay home.

That's how the Republicans always win.

Or via misleading ads, such as the misleading ad which quoted Coakley as saying "We've got to raise taxes". She said this in the context of raising tax revenue by increasing employment: the Republicans said that this meant that she's going to raise the tax rates.

Lies, deceit and thuggery....just another day in the life of a teabagger.

Pretty much. Add blatant, unethical/illegal voter disenfranchisement and obstruction to that list as well.

[Blouman Empire]

It won't go red. The polls you are citing are Rasmussen, which always oversamples his republican respondents.

The only way that Massachusetts can go red is if Obama disappoints his base too much, and half the Democrats stay home.

That's how the Republicans always win.

Or via misleading ads, such as the misleading ad which quoted Coakley as saying "We've got to raise taxes". She said this in the context of raising tax revenue by increasing employment: the Republicans said that this meant that she's going to raise the tax rates.

Lies, deceit and thuggery....just another day in the life of a teabagger political campaign.

Fixed.

Please don't try and say that Democrats and their campaigns are all innocent.

[Blouman Empire]

True. We shouldn't underestimate the fact that Republican victories are the results of low turns outs (especially amongst Democrats) and high ones by conservatives. I really don't want to see 09 become another 94.

Indeed. There are significantly more Democrats than Republicans. If all the Democrats voted every time, they'd never lose. They never do all vote, though.

Democrats and Republicans never change their minds?

[Callisdrun]

It won't go red. The polls you are citing are Rasmussen, which always oversamples his republican respondents.

The only way that Massachusetts can go red is if Obama disappoints his base too much, and half the Democrats stay home.

That's how the Republicans always win.

Or via misleading ads, such as the misleading ad which quoted Coakley as saying "We've got to raise taxes". She said this in the context of raising tax revenue by increasing employment: the Republicans said that this meant that she's going to raise the tax rates.

Lies, deceit and thuggery....just another day in the life of a teabagger political campaign.

Fixed.

Please don't try and say that Democrats and their campaigns are all innocent.

Where did I say that? Quote me.

[Kobrania]

It won't go red. The polls you are citing are Rasmussen, which always oversamples his republican respondents.

The only way that Massachusetts can go red is if Obama disappoints his base too much, and half the Democrats stay home.

That's how the Republicans always win.

Or via misleading ads, such as the misleading ad which quoted Coakley as saying "We've got to raise taxes". She said this in the context of raising tax revenue by increasing employment: the Republicans said that this meant that she's going to raise the tax rates.

Lies, deceit and thuggery....just another day in the life of a teabagger political campaign.

Fixed.

Please don't try and say that Democrats and their campaigns are all innocent.

Flase, you don't see 100,000 democrats screaming for blood to manure the tree of liberty, of which was trimmed to a branch by the Bush administration.

[Blouman Empire]

It won't go red. The polls you are citing are Rasmussen, which always oversamples his republican respondents.

The only way that Massachusetts can go red is if Obama disappoints his base too much, and half the Democrats stay home.

That's how the Republicans always win.

Or via misleading ads, such as the misleading ad which quoted Coakley as saying "We've got to raise taxes". She said this in the context of raising tax revenue by increasing employment: the Republicans said that this meant that she's going to raise the tax rates.

Lies, deceit and thuggery....just another day in the life of a teabagger political campaign.

Fixed.

Please don't try and say that Democrats and their campaigns are all innocent.

Where did I say that? Quote me.

Please read my post again, I didn't say you did, I said please don't.

[Blouman Empire]

Flase, you don't see 100,000 democrats screaming for blood to manure the tree of liberty, of which was trimmed to a branch by the Bush administration.

I have no idea what the fuck you are on about I just know you are wrong.

[Rolamec]

True. We shouldn't underestimate the fact that Republican victories are the results of low turns outs (especially amongst Democrats) and high ones by conservatives. I really don't want to see 09 become another 94.

Indeed. There are significantly more Democrats than Republicans. If all the Democrats voted every time, they'd never lose. They never do all vote, though.

I know, which is the problem and what frustrates me. I mean GOTV was great in 08, but I would say of the 200 calls I made on election night about 30-50 actually talked to me, and about 25-35 actually said they would vote or have already done so. So I can't imagine what it would be like on an off year.

[Rolamec]

Democrats aren't all that better, but in my opinion they are better than Republicans. And closer to something I would rather have than than what Palin and Beck would.

Frankly I'd love to see a more liberal party in power, like the Green party. But realistically, voting for them doesn't do much. I hate to say that, I am all for voting for whatever you want. But honestly, I vote Democrat and I'm fortunate to have a pretty okay congressman (Norm Dicks) and okay senators Murray and Cantwell); I mean it could be worse, I could be in Nebraska.

[Tagmatium]

Democrats aren't all that better, but in my opinion they are better than Republicans. And closer to something I would rather have than than what Palin and Beck would.

Frankly I'd love to see a more liberal party in power, like the Green party. But realistically, voting for them doesn't do much. I hate to say that, I am all for voting for whatever you want. But honestly, I vote Democrat and I'm fortunate to have a pretty okay congressman (Norm Dicks) and okay senators Murray and Cantwell); I mean it could be worse, I could be in Nebraska.

It's probably a sign that the political system needs a bit of a shake-up when it's a choice between who is the least worst.

[Kobrania]

Flase, you don't see 100,000 democrats screaming for blood to manure the tree of liberty, of which was trimmed to a branch by the Bush administration.

I have no idea what the fuck you are on about I just know you are wrong.

in one of the town hall meetings the teabaggers were waving signs saying that the tyrant should be slain to water the tree of liberty.

And the patriot act crippled you civil rights, essentially cutting apart that tree.