What are your thoughts on Atheism?

[Crysuko]

this raises an interesting question, ignorance with bliss or knowledge with despair.

Be honest with me

now if I tell something that is a lie but you will be happy for twenty years of your life or I tell you the truth and you will be bitter for the rest of your life

i'd rather have the truth, because if you lie to me then the truth may well slap me in the face and render me bitter anyway.

[Manisdog]

Nor do I, as I have seen the godlessness of the world, now it would be cruel to let those who believe loose there believe, the guy who lied about god was a very great man as he stopped humanity from drowning into a sea of despair, it would be cruel an harsh to destroy the joy and life of the people that is god

Atheism doesn't lead to despair - it leads to hope. If all of our sufferings, failings, the decay of old age, the injustice of children born blind, ... are the result of the will of an omnipowerful being, then we can truly despair, for there is nothing we can do against it. But if they are the product of blind, careless, mindless forces of nature, then we can actually outsmart them and fix most if not all of those problems.

You see until science can safely answer every question of man until than we need to keep this imaginary being as god, it would be just sick to let people deal with the true conditions of there life

[Kilobugya]

this raises an interesting question, ignorance with bliss or knowledge with despair.

Ignorance with bliss will lead to the problems continuing and never being fixed. Knowledge will lead to people actually trying to solve the problems, and eventually succeeding or at least minimizing them. On the long term, the ignorance path is definitely harmful. Like, I wonder how many more efforts would be invested in lifespan expansion and/or post-death preservation of the brain if everyone actually knew that there is no such thing as a soul and death is currently the absolute end. Ignorance with bliss will prevent you from getting your priorities straight.

[The Rich Port]

this raises an interesting question, ignorance with bliss or knowledge with despair.

Be honest with me

now if I tell something that is a lie but you will be happy for twenty years of your life or I tell you the truth and you will be bitter for the rest of your life

Yeah, and what happens when I find out it was a lie?

I realize that it wasn't worth it and that the truth will set you free.

Even Jesus, fake as he may be as a God, got SOMETHING right.

[Manisdog]

Be honest with me

now if I tell something that is a lie but you will be happy for twenty years of your life or I tell you the truth and you will be bitter for the rest of your life

Yeah, and what happens when I find out it was a lie?

I realize that it wasn't worth it and that the truth will set you free.

Even Jesus, fake as he may be as a God, got SOMETHING right.

Yes someday you would be forced to swallow the bitter truths about your life and eventually even in the final moments when your dying, when you finally recognize his non-existence, you might feel very bitter but at least you were happier for a longer period of time.

[Kilobugya]

You see until science can safely answer every question of man until than we need to keep this imaginary being as god, it would be just sick to let people deal with the true conditions of there life

But people being ignorant of true conditions is actually slowing science down a lot. What's sick is making more people have to life under those "true conditions", because by lying about them we as a specie cripple ourselves in solving the issues.

[Manisdog]

Be honest with me

now if I tell something that is a lie but you will be happy for twenty years of your life or I tell you the truth and you will be bitter for the rest of your life

i'd rather have the truth, because if you lie to me then the truth may well slap me in the face and render me bitter anyway.

Someday it certainly will but hey at least you were happy till then

[Crysuko]

Yeah, and what happens when I find out it was a lie?

I realize that it wasn't worth it and that the truth will set you free.

Even Jesus, fake as he may be as a God, got SOMETHING right.

Yes someday you would be forced to swallow the bitter truths about your life and eventually even in the final moments when your dying, when you finally recognize his non-existence, you might feel very bitter but at least you were happier for a longer period of time.

happiness from a lie does not justify it

[The Rich Port]

I love that this has gone from "this lie is the truth" to "this lie is comforting" and now we are being preached about how a lie better than the truth.

Manisdog is more deluded than people who are actually religious.

[Bottany Bay Colony]

MY thoughts on atheism.

I think it is a biological deficite, not unlike blindness.
Yet when a blind man argues that sight does not exist, we do not accept his belief and substitute it for our own, insisting that everyone else shut their eyes.
We teach him brail and issue him a seeing eye dog wnhich assists him in living the world of the sighted.

[Manisdog]

You see until science can safely answer every question of man until than we need to keep this imaginary being as god, it would be just sick to let people deal with the true conditions of there life

But people being ignorant of true conditions is actually slowing science down a lot. What's sick is making more people have to life under those "true conditions", because by lying about them we as a specie cripple ourselves in solving the issues.

No this belief was originally made so people remain docile, calm lambs, it was need to keep and maintain political order. As science progresses belief in a god will diminish but until science does not reach a certain level, where it functionally makes god redundant we would still need an imaginary god

[Transyl]

Atheism is a religion just like any other and should be treated as such.

ha ha ha no. if atheism is a religion, then off is a TV channel. Atheism is a lack of religion, to call it one goes against the definition of the term.

Look, technically it may be a 'lack' of religion, but it is still considered a religion due to the fact that it involves not believing in God, Jesus, Heaven, Hell, or the Devil. So therefore it is a type of religion but whatever i guess, it may not be a religion to you, but to Atheists it is in certain aspects. A religion involves specific beliefs, culture, and tradition along with other things, Atheists believe in no God, or heaven, which still is a type of belief right? Yes, what i'm saying is as long as it believes in something ti can be classified as a religion in my point of view. Being an Atheist myself I consider it a religion, but i guess you Anti-Atheism haters can call it whatever you want, but i will voice my opinion until i feel like you get my point. Calling it a religion, here is a statement i found on google when i searched is atheism a religion. Atheism will be defined in the contemporary western sense: not just the lack of belief in a god, but the assertion about the non-existence of any gods, spirits, or divine or supernatural beings. Atheists in this sense are metaphysical naturalists, and as will be shown, they DO follow a religion. Now if you dont mind, dont say its not a religion, because it is, thats all i ask, you dont have to like it, all you gotta do is just realize it is a religion and you will have to deal with it, Atheism is everywhere and its just how it works.

[Manisdog]

I love that this has gone from "this lie is the truth" to "this lie is comforting" and now we are being preached about how a lie better than the truth.

Manisdog is more deluded than people who are actually religious.

Now I am just showing you how cruel it is too point a flood light at somebody who lived in the dark for most of his life, I am just pointing out that this man might just loose his sight

[Bottany Bay Colony]

No this belief was originally made so people remain docile, calm lambs, it was need to keep and maintain political order. As science progresses belief in a god will diminish but until science does not reach a certain level, where it functionally makes god redundant we would still need an imaginary god

I am curious which religious people you are referring to who were/are dosile, calm lambs?

[Manisdog]

No this belief was originally made so people remain docile, calm lambs, it was need to keep and maintain political order. As science progresses belief in a god will diminish but until science does not reach a certain level, where it functionally makes god redundant we would still need an imaginary god

I am curious which religious people you are referring to who were/are dosile, calm lambs?

Any religious people towards there religious authorities and governments, read the word towards very carefully and twice

[Crysuko]

ha ha ha no. if atheism is a religion, then off is a TV channel. Atheism is a lack of religion, to call it one goes against the definition of the term.

Look, technically it may be a 'lack' of religion, but it is still considered a religion due to the fact that it involves not believing in God, Jesus, Heaven, Hell, or the Devil. So therefore it is a type of religion but whatever i guess, it may not be a religion to you, but to Atheists it is in certain aspects. A religion involves specific beliefs, culture, and tradition along with other things, Atheists believe in no God, or heaven, which still is a type of belief right? Yes, what i'm saying is as long as it believes in something ti can be classified as a religion in my point of view. Being an Atheist myself I consider it a religion, but i guess you Anti-Atheism haters can call it whatever you want, but i will voice my opinion until i feel like you get my point. Calling it a religion, here is a statement i found on google when i searched is atheism a religion. Atheism will be defined in the contemporary western sense: not just the lack of belief in a god, but the assertion about the non-existence of any gods, spirits, or divine or supernatural beings. Atheists in this sense are metaphysical naturalists, and as will be shown, they DO follow a religion. Now if you dont mind, dont say its not a religion, because it is, thats all i ask, you dont have to like it, all you gotta do is just realize it is a religion and you will have to deal with it, Atheism is everywhere and its just how it works.

assert harder, maybe it'll become true.

also, here's a handy dictionary definition for you: "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism?s=t
you see, atheism is built on disbelief. not the oppisite like you so vehemently assert

[The Rich Port]

Yeah, and what happens when I find out it was a lie?

I realize that it wasn't worth it and that the truth will set you free.

Even Jesus, fake as he may be as a God, got SOMETHING right.

Yes someday you would be forced to swallow the bitter truths about your life and eventually even in the final moments when your dying, when you finally recognize his non-existence, you might feel very bitter but at least you were happier for a longer period of time.

Yeah, guess what?

I wasn't happy when I thought God existed.

[Manisdog]

Yes someday you would be forced to swallow the bitter truths about your life and eventually even in the final moments when your dying, when you finally recognize his non-existence, you might feel very bitter but at least you were happier for a longer period of time.

Yeah, guess what?

I wasn't happy when I thought God existed.

Ok let me ask you a few things

Are you happy to know that fact that your going to die and your bones are going to turn into dust ?

Are you happy to know that fact that your sister,grandfather, grandmother or anyone you love or close to you is dead and in probability will be dead and never come back ?

Are you happy that your good deeds will never be unrewarded ?

Are you happy that there is truly nothing in this world and everything is so flawed and imperfect ?

[Crysuko]

I am curious which religious people you are referring to who were/are dosile, calm lambs?

Any religious people towards there religious authorities and governments, read the word towards very carefully and twice

in plain english, if you please.

[Manisdog]

Any religious people towards there religious authorities and governments, read the word towards very carefully and twice

in plain english, if you please.

Any religious nut towards his religious establishment and government

[Crysuko]

Yeah, guess what?

I wasn't happy when I thought God existed.

Ok let me ask you a few things

Are you happy to know that fact that your going to die and your bones are going to turn into dust ?

Are you happy to know that fact that your sister,grandfather, grandmother or anyone you love or close to you is dead and in probability will be dead and never come back ?

Are you happy that your good deeds will never be unrewarded ?

Are you happy that there is truly nothing in this world and everything is so flawed and imperfect ?

1. life is short, enjoy it while it lasts
2. their mortality isn't a phobia of mine. sad when it comes, but honestly, could be worse.
3. that's a bad thing?
4a. enjoy these things while they last
4b which is why we work to improve things

[Transyl]

Look, technically it may be a 'lack' of religion, but it is still considered a religion due to the fact that it involves not believing in God, Jesus, Heaven, Hell, or the Devil. So therefore it is a type of religion but whatever i guess, it may not be a religion to you, but to Atheists it is in certain aspects. A religion involves specific beliefs, culture, and tradition along with other things, Atheists believe in no God, or heaven, which still is a type of belief right? Yes, what i'm saying is as long as it believes in something ti can be classified as a religion in my point of view. Being an Atheist myself I consider it a religion, but i guess you Anti-Atheism haters can call it whatever you want, but i will voice my opinion until i feel like you get my point. Calling it a religion, here is a statement i found on google when i searched is atheism a religion. Atheism will be defined in the contemporary western sense: not just the lack of belief in a god, but the assertion about the non-existence of any gods, spirits, or divine or supernatural beings. Atheists in this sense are metaphysical naturalists, and as will be shown, they DO follow a religion. Now if you dont mind, dont say its not a religion, because it is, thats all i ask, you dont have to like it, all you gotta do is just realize it is a religion and you will have to deal with it, Atheism is everywhere and its just how it works.

assert harder, maybe it'll become true.
And here is the definition of religion for you http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
also, here's a handy dictionary definition for you: "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism?s=t
you see, atheism is built on disbelief. not the oppisite like you so vehemently assert

[Megali Helles]

But people being ignorant of true conditions is actually slowing science down a lot. What's sick is making more people have to life under those "true conditions", because by lying about them we as a specie cripple ourselves in solving the issues.

No this belief was originally made so people remain docile, calm lambs, it was need to keep and maintain political order. As science progresses belief in a god will diminish but until science does not reach a certain level, where it functionally makes god redundant we would still need an imaginary god

Religion is a conspiracy? Really?

[Crysuko]

assert harder, maybe it'll become true.
And here is the definition of religion for you http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
also, here's a handy dictionary definition for you: "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism?s=t
you see, atheism is built on disbelief. not the oppisite like you so vehemently assert

I fail to see your point

[Manisdog]

No this belief was originally made so people remain docile, calm lambs, it was need to keep and maintain political order. As science progresses belief in a god will diminish but until science does not reach a certain level, where it functionally makes god redundant we would still need an imaginary god

Religion is a conspiracy? Really?

Yes something made thousands of years ago to fool the people into doing what is best for society.