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Zottistan
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:23 am

WestRedMaple wrote:
Frisiiland wrote:Advocating atheism should be illegal and punished by burning on a stake because many people have gone to hell because of their wicked tounges.



And you think torturing and killing others is your way into heaven?

Well, it's a possibility.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:29 am

Frisiiland wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:prove this is true.
You just lack faith, evidence not needed.

Absolute bullshit. You made the claim, now you have to back it up.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:30 am

Frisiiland wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:prove this is true.
You just lack faith, evidence not needed.

That ends the debate then.

At least your involvement in it.

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Postby Vecherd » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:31 am

It's all good, just keep it agnostic.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:35 am

Vecherd wrote:It's all good, just keep it agnostic.

Agnostic atheist or agnostic theist ;) ?
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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:41 am

Arkolon wrote:I don't remember the Christian God ever saying "oh, wait, nah, actually you guys can come to".

I don't remember it saying that Hell even exists on the first place. And there are Christians who also don't either, and who, instead, argue that rather than Hell, you're simply not taken into Heaven and cease to exist. There is no active punishment, but there is one in the sense that you are kept away from God.

The existence of Hell, even within the scope of Christianity, is another assumption that is disputed, even by fellow Christians. With such blatant problems with Pascal's Wager, I sincerely cannot comprehend the mental gymnastics required to sincerely argue it's a legitimate argument.
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Postby Vecherd » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:43 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Vecherd wrote:It's all good, just keep it agnostic.

Agnostic atheist or agnostic theist ;) ?


While I aimed at agnostic atheism now, both kinds really are to prefer over the alternative on both sides.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:45 am

Frisiiland wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:prove this is true.
You just lack faith, evidence not needed.

Evidence is needed if you can claim such a thing can be real.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:55 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Arkolon wrote:I don't remember the Christian God ever saying "oh, wait, nah, actually you guys can come to".

I don't remember it saying that Hell even exists on the first place. And there are Christians who also don't either, and who, instead, argue that rather than Hell, you're simply not taken into Heaven and cease to exist. There is no active punishment, but there is one in the sense that you are kept away from God.

The existence of Hell, even within the scope of Christianity, is another assumption that is disputed, even by fellow Christians. With such blatant problems with Pascal's Wager, I sincerely cannot comprehend the mental gymnastics required to sincerely argue it's a legitimate argument.

didn't the pope recently suggest that righteous atheists can go to heaven?
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Postby The Union of Tentacles and Grapes » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:57 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I don't remember it saying that Hell even exists on the first place. And there are Christians who also don't either, and who, instead, argue that rather than Hell, you're simply not taken into Heaven and cease to exist. There is no active punishment, but there is one in the sense that you are kept away from God.

The existence of Hell, even within the scope of Christianity, is another assumption that is disputed, even by fellow Christians. With such blatant problems with Pascal's Wager, I sincerely cannot comprehend the mental gymnastics required to sincerely argue it's a legitimate argument.

didn't the pope recently suggest that righteous atheists can go to heaven?

Both atheists and homosexuals are welcome in heaven, according to the pope. Also according to (a different) pope, purgatory no longer exists. Not never did exist, but the pope actually abolished purgatory.

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Postby WestRedMaple » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:59 am

Zottistan wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:

And you think torturing and killing others is your way into heaven?

Well, it's a possibility.



True, but it would mean having to acknowledge that god was neither loving nor merciful

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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:00 am

I really lack sufficient levels of faith to be an atheist.

Of course, I have the benefit of thousands of years of life experience to look back on. The mortals lack such hindsight.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:00 am

WestRedMaple wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Well, it's a possibility.



True, but it would mean having to acknowledge that god was neither loving nor merciful


He could also really like war and fighting. Entering Valhalla after all also required you to die in glorious battle.
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Postby Esternial » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:02 am

Galloism wrote:I really lack sufficient levels of faith to be an atheist.

Of course, I have the benefit of thousands of years of life experience to look back on. The mortals lack such hindsight.

It's so lacking it's almost...disturbing.

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Postby Zottistan » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:02 am

WestRedMaple wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Well, it's a possibility.



True, but it would mean having to acknowledge that god was neither loving nor merciful

Which would explain an awful lot, really.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:05 am

Galloism wrote:I really lack sufficient levels of faith to be an atheist.

Being an atheist doesn't require any faith at all.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:08 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Galloism wrote:I really lack sufficient levels of faith to be an atheist.

Being an atheist doesn't require any faith at all.

Yes, yes it does - a lot more faith than I have.

As science has advanced over the millennia, particularly in the last couple hundred years, the harder it is for me to reconcile the universal structure of things with the lack of some sort of deity.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby The Union of Tentacles and Grapes » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:11 am

Galloism wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Being an atheist doesn't require any faith at all.

Yes, yes it does - a lot more faith than I have.

As science has advanced over the millennia, particularly in the last couple hundred years, the harder it is for me to reconcile the universal structure of things with the lack of some sort of deity.

I was unaware that today was opposite day.
Something for the occaision.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:12 am

Galloism wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Being an atheist doesn't require any faith at all.

Yes, yes it does - a lot more faith than I have.

Lacking belief doesn't require any faith. Suggesting otherwise is, frankly, quite stupid.
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:12 am

Galloism wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Being an atheist doesn't require any faith at all.

Yes, yes it does - a lot more faith than I have.

As science has advanced over the millennia, particularly in the last couple hundred years, the harder it is for me to reconcile the universal structure of things with the lack of some sort of deity.

http://www.bitstorm.org/gameoflife/

This is relevant if your issue is drawing complexity from simplicity.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:14 am

The Union of Tentacles and Grapes wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yes, yes it does - a lot more faith than I have.

As science has advanced over the millennia, particularly in the last couple hundred years, the harder it is for me to reconcile the universal structure of things with the lack of some sort of deity.

I was unaware that today was opposite day.
Something for the occaision.

I like the video.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:16 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yes, yes it does - a lot more faith than I have.

Lacking belief doesn't require any faith. Suggesting otherwise is, frankly, quite stupid.

It requires a tacit acceptance of a certain sequence of events or group of possible sequences that I find difficult to accept on faith.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:18 am

Galloism wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Lacking belief doesn't require any faith. Suggesting otherwise is, frankly, quite stupid.

It requires a tacit acceptance of a certain sequence of events or group of possible sequences that I find difficult to accept on faith.

No, it doesn't.
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Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
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Ostro: I think women need to be trained
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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:18 am

Zottistan wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yes, yes it does - a lot more faith than I have.

As science has advanced over the millennia, particularly in the last couple hundred years, the harder it is for me to reconcile the universal structure of things with the lack of some sort of deity.

http://www.bitstorm.org/gameoflife/

This is relevant if your issue is drawing complexity from simplicity.

My phone doesn't support Java, so I'll have to check it out later.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:18 am

Galloism wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Lacking belief doesn't require any faith. Suggesting otherwise is, frankly, quite stupid.

It requires a tacit acceptance of a certain sequence of events or group of possible sequences that I find difficult to accept on faith.

How does a deity of some sort solve this problem ?
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