Polyamory Thread: I Love You All!

[Trevor Phillip Enterprises]

women need a strong man, they would just get unhappy sleeping with so many men

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All these images are for you...

[Olthar]

Yeah, but in the end, you're all still just text on a screen. No offense, but it just doesn't matter much if no one in the real world likes me. It's hard to date someone halfway across the globe.

You never know how close someone could be. And if you can get people halfway across the world to start crushing over you, I would imagine you're capable of doing the same to people who see you in person.

You are quite the optimist, but I doubt it.

[Rushtar]

I'm not English and I don't talk with them about that, so is normal that this type of things happens, I'm not used to. I didn't want to offend, the words have the bad connotatives that the people give them.

It isn't a matter of opinion.

Genitalization of trans people is oppression.

People aren't objects for cishet males to pick whatever fits their taste from a supermarket gondola, and you shouldn't qualify transgenderness without also marking cisgenderness, because it comes off as de-legitimization of people's gender.

It's also not about language, I speak Portuguese as native language and expect the same standards of other Lusophones.

Now you know it.

You are seen enemies where there aren't, I didn't oppress anyone, I just said what I saw in tastes to clarify, no more.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You are seen enemies where there aren't, I didn't oppress anyone, I just said what I saw in tastes to clarify, no more.

I'm really not attacking you, but unintentional offense is also offense. It's not quite my fault if occasional ignorance from cis people makes me feel ill.

[Manisdog]

Our brain's dont evolve as fast as your societies

Yes, they evolve much faster. By reading or by socializing. Do you even know what are you talking about?

Please learn to respect the dead and stop making all deceased sociologists, anthropologists and brain scientists roll on their graves. I'm absolutely an amateur to the subject and even to me it feels like a slap on the face from how lacking in accuracy your opinion is.

You clearly do not understand evolution it takes thousands of years for one small change not twenty years

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

You clearly do not understand evolution it takes thousands of years for one small change not twenty years

My point is humans are not constrained by instincts when it comes to social relationships.

Culture is amazingly plastic in that it has the capability to repress basically everything, and it might be used just as much for good as for evil.

Our brains ARE plastic in all senses and extremely so.

[Manisdog]

You clearly do not understand evolution it takes thousands of years for one small change not twenty years

My point is humans are not constrained by instincts when it comes to social relationships.

Culture is amazingly plastic in that it has the capability to repress basically everything, and it might be used just as much for good as for evil.

Our brains ARE plastic in all senses and extremely so.

and cultures generally frown upon this except maybe a few island cultures you told me about

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

and cultures generally frown upon this except maybe a few island cultures you told me about

Humans are a non-monogamic species and we adapt monogamy out of societal convenience.

It's harmful when it's patriarchal, but not so much when it is egalitarian.

[Manisdog]

and cultures generally frown upon this except maybe a few island cultures you told me about

Humans are a non-monogamic species and we adapt monogamy out of societal convenience.

It's harmful when it's patriarchal, but not so much when it is egalitarian.

Well but your arguements are that society is plastic, I disagree with that but before I propose my argument I would like to ask you one simple question

Why did society choose patriarchy over all the other vague systems ?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Well but your arguements are that society is plastic, I disagree with that but before I propose my argument I would like to ask you one simple question

Why did society choose patriarchy over all the other vague systems ?

Society was historically matrilineal, based on small scale communities.

Agriculture changed everything, while observing animals people learned about reproduction with a bit greater depth of knowledge, it made sense to establish male power on the pretense of passing down property and lineage to a legitimate biological inheritor, marriage was created, and soon it became a contract between men that made property out of women as well, and the consequences for them are nefarious to this day.

Also those male who challenge the social conventions about their class participation, but still less so than what women struggle.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Also, you live in one of the worst countries for women to live.

All of the consequences of treating them like property are extreme when we look at India.

Don't you think people should grow more critical eyes about it?

[Rushtar]

Well but your arguements are that society is plastic, I disagree with that but before I propose my argument I would like to ask you one simple question

Why did society choose patriarchy over all the other vague systems ?

Society was historically matrilineal, based on small scale communities.

Agriculture changed everything, while observing animals people learned about reproduction with a bit greater depth of knowledge, it made sense to establish male power on the pretense of passing down property and lineage to a legitimate biological inheritor, marriage was created, and soon it became a contract between men that made property out of women as well, and the consequences for them are nefarious to this day.

Also those male who challenge the social conventions about their class participation, but still less so than what women struggle.

What about the hive and bees?
Both matriarchy and patriarchy are oppressive.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

What about the hive and bees?
Both matriarchy and patriarchy are oppressive.

Matriarchy was once institutionalized by a major civilization? Did it become a class ideology?

Don't think so.

[Olthar]

Yes, they evolve much faster. By reading or by socializing. Do you even know what are you talking about?

Please learn to respect the dead and stop making all deceased sociologists, anthropologists and brain scientists roll on their graves. I'm absolutely an amateur to the subject and even to me it feels like a slap on the face from how lacking in accuracy your opinion is.

You clearly do not understand evolution it takes thousands of years for one small change not twenty years

And yet we've identified new species of animals emerge since the Industrial Revolution due to our now much larger impact on nature.
That's an old fashioned way of thinking. Modern evidence suggests that evolution may not be nearly as slow as we once thought. Environmental pressure can result in very rapid changes.

[Rushtar]

What about the hive and bees?
Both matriarchy and patriarchy are oppressive.

Matriarchy was once institutionalized by a major civilization? Did it become a class ideology?

Don't think so.

Yes, it is in some zones and they are pushing society on some stupid things like if you say beautiful to a girl you are being oppressive.
Both are bad, depends where more or less.

[Olthar]

Society was historically matrilineal, based on small scale communities.

Agriculture changed everything, while observing animals people learned about reproduction with a bit greater depth of knowledge, it made sense to establish male power on the pretense of passing down property and lineage to a legitimate biological inheritor, marriage was created, and soon it became a contract between men that made property out of women as well, and the consequences for them are nefarious to this day.

Also those male who challenge the social conventions about their class participation, but still less so than what women struggle.

What about the hive and bees?
Both matriarchy and patriarchy are oppressive.

Bee hives aren't "oppressive." Despite our naming schemes, bee "queens" do not rule over other bees. They all work in synchrony for the survival of all. A bee hive is much closer to Communism than Monarchy in organization.

[Rushtar]

What about the hive and bees?
Both matriarchy and patriarchy are oppressive.

Bee hives aren't "oppressive." Despite our naming schemes, bee "queens" do not rule over other bees. They all work in synchrony for the survival of all. A bee hive is much closer to Communism than Monarchy in organization.

I wasn't talking about nature as oppressive, I was talking about human cases. About hives, drones are only used to fertilize the queen. The strongest one must do it, and if he doesn't do, he should leave the hive.

[Saiwania]

What about the hive and bees? Both matriarchy and patriarchy are oppressive.

For bees, there is one queen which lays eggs for the hive, male drones whose only purpose is to mate with a queen, and the rest are worker bees that are sterile females. It is similar to how ant colonies work. The females don't rule over the males, so much as it is just how the species are designed.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Yes, it is in some zones and they are pushing society on some stupid things like if you say beautiful to a girl you are being oppressive.
Both are bad, depends where more or less.

Dude, you don't even know how to properly refer to trans people without stirring up moods, and you want to give your advice on how people should do feminism?

To the extent you say it actually harms [dyadic cisgender heterosexual] males?

I will be preying for you.

[Infected Mushroom]

Hello everyone. We have dating threads, ideal partner threads, and the like, but most of the threads tend to have monogamous relationships in mind. I've recently begun a wonderful relationship with a beautiful, kind, and highly intelligent woman that I share many interests with. If I stopped there, many would congratulate me. However, my girlfriend is married to two people (legally to one and symbolically to another) and dating another person along with me. Yes, her spouses and boyfriend all know about each other and me, and all of us are happy with the state of the relationship. This seems to baffle a lot of people, my parents included. Most of us are told the same story throughout our lives of two people falling in love and committing exclusively to one another, refusing romantic or sexual involvement with anyone else. Some people however don't care for this notion of romance, and believe that love can be shared between people. These people are polyamorous.

What is polyamory? If you are unfamiliar with it, it's a romantic relationship involving more than two people where all partners are consenting. It is not cheating as all partners have given permission for their partner or partners to date others. It is not swinging of an open relationship, which just involves sex with people other than your partner rather than having multiple romantic partners.

I've occassionally seen the topic arrise on this site, but have never actually seen a thread devoted to it. So what is your opinion on the subject, Nationstates? Do you think you would be comfortable with a polyamorous relationship? Do you accept them even if you personally are more comfortable with monogamy? Do you view them as wrong, and if so, why? Have you ever been in a poly relationship? If you are polyamorous, are you open about it to others?

I've never heard of this polyamory thing before. But from your description... it's kind of like what Prince Oberyn has with his paramour right? Am I conceptualizing it just about right?

Hmmmm....

I think its morally neutral. It is however, likely to lead to broken hearts later down the road and a de-valuation of loyalty as a value in a relationships.

It is a very efficient way for maximizing... experiences... if you can find suitable individuals who are up for the game. But I'm not sure it's a good way to acquire real emotional intimacy or a real connection.

[Sun Wukong]

Humans are a non-monogamic species and we adapt monogamy out of societal convenience.

It's harmful when it's patriarchal, but not so much when it is egalitarian.

Well but your arguements are that society is plastic, I disagree with that but before I propose my argument I would like to ask you one simple question

Why did society choose patriarchy over all the other vague systems ?

Mostly because agriculture tends to encourage ideas about land ownership and hereditary titles and such. Which necessitate clear paternity. Producing patriarchy.

We are no longer a society in which most people farm.

[Laerod]

I've never heard of this polyamory thing before. But from your description... it's kind of like what Prince Oberyn has with his paramour right? Am I conceptualizing it just about right?

No. Prince Oberyn is in an open relationship with his paramour, as far as we can tell. He maintains ties to all his children, but it does not appear as though he is still in relationships with all their mothers.

[Sun Wukong]

What about the hive and bees?
Both matriarchy and patriarchy are oppressive.

Bee hives aren't "oppressive." Despite our naming schemes, bee "queens" do not rule over other bees. They all work in synchrony for the survival of all. A bee hive is much closer to Communism than Monarchy in organization.

Indeed.

A much better example would be driver ants, in which the males are captured, have their wings and limbs bitten off, and are carried around as giant sperm receptacles.

[Infected Mushroom]

I've never heard of this polyamory thing before. But from your description... it's kind of like what Prince Oberyn has with his paramour right? Am I conceptualizing it just about right?

No. Prince Oberyn is in an open relationship with his paramour, as far as we can tell. He maintains ties to all his children, but it does not appear as though he is still in relationships with all their mothers.

what's difference?

[Sun Wukong]

No. Prince Oberyn is in an open relationship with his paramour, as far as we can tell. He maintains ties to all his children, but it does not appear as though he is still in relationships with all their mothers.

what's difference?

The difference between a one-night stand and a committed relationship.