U.K. to block any sale of JAS-39s to Argentina

[Fartsniffage]

What is Argentina's claim based upon again?

Here you are: http://cancilleria.gov.ar/userfiles/ale ... da_eng.pdf

Hmm. 3 lies in the first paragraph alone. I'm not optimistic about this, but I'll plough on....

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

What is Argentina's claim based upon again?

Here you are: http://cancilleria.gov.ar/userfiles/ale ... da_eng.pdf

It's OK, you can summarize, I won't mind.

Whatever it's based upon, is obviously something other than democracy and self-determination, seeing how, you know, literally every resident supports the status quo.

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

Ehhmm.. he said:

And that is totally false.

Btw, individuals aren't representative for the whole population.. and individuals aren't road signs.

Nice backpedalling. What is Argentina's claim based upon again?

Pointless historical nonsense, all of which occurs AFTER the first British claim of the islands in 1690, and which is irrelevant when considering modern international law and the right of the islanders to self-determination.

Believe to me, this is link: History of the de facto control of the Falklands and of the historical claims

[Risottia]

Here you are: http://cancilleria.gov.ar/userfiles/ale ... da_eng.pdf

Hmm. 3 lies in the first paragraph alone. I'm not optimistic about this, but I'll plough on....

Skimming the introduction, I've noticed there's no "our dictator tried to occupy the Falklands and oust the native Britons, but as he was too busy between one mass killing of dissenters and the other, it didn't go very well, also because somehow the local British residents didn't welcome our occupation troops" , or the fact that - while they continue to brag about the UN this and the UN that, the inclusion in their territorial claim of a rather large chunk of Antarctica isn't much in line with the UN treatises about Antarctica (see art.4 of the Antarctic Treaty).

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

(Image)

Don't forget that the first claim of the islands was by the British, around 70 years before the start of this timeline, as that is only a map of de facto control of the islands.

[Calimera II]

EDIT: linked to the wrong page. Whoops. I am looking for the link now.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Why can't the Argentinian government just respect the wishes of the people that have been on the island for several generations? They are, IMO, native people.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

EDIT: linked to the wrong page. Whoops. I am looking for the link now.

orly

and, hint: that's not how you edit smth.

[Calimera II]

EDIT: linked to the wrong page. Whoops. I am looking for the link now.

olry

and, hint: that's not how you edit smth.

Why are you acting like a dick? I am just wondering?

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

EDIT: linked to the wrong page. Whoops. I am looking for the link now.

olry

and, hint: that's not how you edit smth.

Original unedited post was along the lines of "Your link is BS, here's a link which proves it- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... work_group "

olry

and, hint: that's not how you edit smth.

Why are you acting like a dick? I am just wondering?

[Vassenor]

Why can't the Argentinian government just respect the wishes of the people that have been on the island for several generations? They are, IMO, native people.

No, they're EVUL COLONIAL IMPERIAL IMPLANTS™ and so any views they have are irrelevant.

Unless they self-determine the way the Argentine government wants.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

olry

and, hint: that's not how you edit smth.

Why are you acting like a dick? I am just wondering?

Because you're constantly backpedalling, and being generally dense, ambiguous, or very conveniently forgetting/confusing stuff.

[Berdanvia]

The Uk should sell Argentina the planes. I mean even though they are enemies, it's not like Argentina is going to attack the UK.

[Vassenor]

The Uk should sell Argentina the planes. I mean even though they are enemies, it's not like Argentina is going to attack the UK.

But it represents a real threat to British territory.

[Calimera II]

Why are you acting like a dick? I am just wondering?

Because you're constantly backpedalling, and being generally dense, ambiguous, or very conveniently forgetting/confusing stuff.

Thanks for at least agreeing that you are acting like a dick.

[Calimera II]

The Uk should sell Argentina the planes. I mean even though they are enemies, it's not like Argentina is going to attack the UK.

But it represents a real threat to British territory.

How so?

[Vassenor]

But it represents a real threat to British territory.

How so?

Actually, you're right. Argentina is never going to invade the Falklands for two key reasons:

1. Because it's too convenient a distraction for the unwashed proletariat masses, and
2. Because of the "So what do we do now?" problem.

[Imperializt Russia]

What is Argentina's claim based upon again?

Here you are: http://cancilleria.gov.ar/userfiles/ale ... da_eng.pdf

Wrong in the opening paragraph lol.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Because you're constantly backpedalling, and being generally dense, ambiguous, or very conveniently forgetting/confusing stuff.

Thanks for at least agreeing that you are acting like a dick.

No problem.

The issue, you see, with deciding things based on historical claims, i.e. irredentism, is that it NEVER FUCKING STOPS, ok? Some country will always feel they've been neglected, no matter what you do. This has been time tested, and it just does not work. It's simply a stupid game where everyone takes turns over territories, and, inherently, people, that they think they're entitled to, with a bunch of men getting killed each time the ball gets passed around, with each turn.

More important than national egos, more important than anything else, is PEACE. This can only be attained if we drop this barbaric way of doing things and rely on democracy and self-determination instead. There is no other way, no middle ground. The only way of ensuring peace is understanding that the ultimate right to a land are to those people who actually live on it, not some distant government seat pretending to act in their best interests whilst actually serving their own, AND that as long as people are pleased with how and by whom they're being governed, they are peaceful.

Do you get this?

[Calimera II]

Thanks for at least agreeing that you are acting like a dick.

No problem.

The issue, you see, with deciding things based on historical claims, i.e. irredentism, is that it NEVER FUCKING STOPS, ok? Some country will always feel they've been neglected, no matter what you do. This has been time tested, and it just does not work. It's simply a stupid game where everyone takes turns over territories, and, inherently, people, that they think they're entitled to, with a bunch of men getting killed each time the ball gets passed around, with each turn.

More important than national egos, more important than anything else, is PEACE. This can only be attained if we drop this barbaric way of doing things and rely on democracy and self-determination instead. There is no other way, no middle ground. The only way of ensuring peace is understanding that the ultimate right to a land are to those people who actually live on it, not some distant government seat pretending to act in their best interests whilst actually serving their own, AND that as long as people are pleased with how and by whom they're being governed, they are peaceful.

Do you get this?

You are acting like it is 'impossible' to be supporting Argentina's claim. And that's utterly annoying, especially since most countries in the world support Argentina's claim.

[The balkens]

No problem.

The issue, you see, with deciding things based on historical claims, i.e. irredentism, is that it NEVER FUCKING STOPS, ok? Some country will always feel they've been neglected, no matter what you do. This has been time tested, and it just does not work. It's simply a stupid game where everyone takes turns over territories, and, inherently, people, that they think they're entitled to, with a bunch of men getting killed each time the ball gets passed around, with each turn.

More important than national egos, more important than anything else, is PEACE. This can only be attained if we drop this barbaric way of doing things and rely on democracy and self-determination instead. There is no other way, no middle ground. The only way of ensuring peace is understanding that the ultimate right to a land are to those people who actually live on it, not some distant government seat pretending to act in their best interests whilst actually serving their own, AND that as long as people are pleased with how and by whom they're being governed, they are peaceful.

Do you get this?

You are acting like it is 'impossible' to be supporting Argentina's claim. And that's utterly annoying, especially since most countries in the world support Argentina's claim.

and the people of the Falklands negated those claims by voting (and stay with me here) to stay British.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

No problem.

The issue, you see, with deciding things based on historical claims, i.e. irredentism, is that it NEVER FUCKING STOPS, ok? Some country will always feel they've been neglected, no matter what you do. This has been time tested, and it just does not work. It's simply a stupid game where everyone takes turns over territories, and, inherently, people, that they think they're entitled to, with a bunch of men getting killed each time the ball gets passed around, with each turn.

More important than national egos, more important than anything else, is PEACE. This can only be attained if we drop this barbaric way of doing things and rely on democracy and self-determination instead. There is no other way, no middle ground. The only way of ensuring peace is understanding that the ultimate right to a land are to those people who actually live on it, not some distant government seat pretending to act in their best interests whilst actually serving their own, AND that as long as people are pleased with how and by whom they're being governed, they are peaceful.

Do you get this?

You are acting like it is 'impossible' to be supporting Argentina's claim. And that's utterly annoying, especially since most countries in the world support Argentina's claim.

It should be impossible to be able to support something that does not respect the principles of democracy and self-determination.

EDIT: You're only proving my point. What argument on Earth could you find me that would make it so that whatever countries that agree with Argentina have more rights over deciding the fate of the Falklands THAN THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE?

[Vassenor]

No problem.

The issue, you see, with deciding things based on historical claims, i.e. irredentism, is that it NEVER FUCKING STOPS, ok? Some country will always feel they've been neglected, no matter what you do. This has been time tested, and it just does not work. It's simply a stupid game where everyone takes turns over territories, and, inherently, people, that they think they're entitled to, with a bunch of men getting killed each time the ball gets passed around, with each turn.

More important than national egos, more important than anything else, is PEACE. This can only be attained if we drop this barbaric way of doing things and rely on democracy and self-determination instead. There is no other way, no middle ground. The only way of ensuring peace is understanding that the ultimate right to a land are to those people who actually live on it, not some distant government seat pretending to act in their best interests whilst actually serving their own, AND that as long as people are pleased with how and by whom they're being governed, they are peaceful.

Do you get this?

You are acting like it is 'impossible' to be supporting Argentina's claim. And that's utterly annoying, especially since most countries in the world support Argentina's claim.

Russia, China and South America is not "most of the world".

[Imperializt Russia]

No problem.

The issue, you see, with deciding things based on historical claims, i.e. irredentism, is that it NEVER FUCKING STOPS, ok? Some country will always feel they've been neglected, no matter what you do. This has been time tested, and it just does not work. It's simply a stupid game where everyone takes turns over territories, and, inherently, people, that they think they're entitled to, with a bunch of men getting killed each time the ball gets passed around, with each turn.

More important than national egos, more important than anything else, is PEACE. This can only be attained if we drop this barbaric way of doing things and rely on democracy and self-determination instead. There is no other way, no middle ground. The only way of ensuring peace is understanding that the ultimate right to a land are to those people who actually live on it, not some distant government seat pretending to act in their best interests whilst actually serving their own, AND that as long as people are pleased with how and by whom they're being governed, they are peaceful.

Do you get this?

You are acting like it is 'impossible' to be supporting Argentina's claim. And that's utterly annoying, especially since most countries in the world support Argentina's claim.

This support is based largely on either the desire to see Britain, a former colonial power, taken down a peg or six or to try and legitimise their own territorial disputes by trying to appear as arbitrators.

China, Russia, Spain to name a trio on the latter case.