U.K. to block any sale of JAS-39s to Argentina

[Calimera II]

Just accept that most of the world supports Argentina's claim. And.. dubious territorial claims? Italy?

48 senators.

48 out of 315. About 15%.

''falklandsnews.wordpress.com''

Whahhahahahahah

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

48 senators.

48 out of 315. About 15%.

''falklandsnews.wordpress.com''

Whahhahahahahah

There is literally no other fucking source about Italy and the Falklands anywhere.

Seriously, I've google 5 different wordings and that is the only source about it!

EDIT: One other souce. Saying the same thing.

[Imperializt Russia]

48 senators.

48 out of 315. About 15%.

''falklandsnews.wordpress.com''

Whahhahahahahah

Care to source how many you believe there are?

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

''falklandsnews.wordpress.com''

Whahhahahahahah

Care to source how many you believe there are?

He can't, because the only two sources show the same thing. Italy doesn't support it. 15% of their lawmakers do.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Just accept that most of the world supports Argentina's claim. And.. dubious territorial claims? Italy?

What is Argentina's claim based on, again, seeing how virtually every resident wants the status quo?

pls reply

[The Nihilistic view]

Care to source how many you believe there are?

He can't, because the only two sources show the same thing. Italy doesn't support it. 15% of their lawmakers do.

It's not even that, it's support for talks. That is hardly supporting the actual claim.

[Aemorica]

Argentina still has anti-British propaganda on road signs

We don't have and never had anti-British propaganda on road signs..

Sorry, I must of been mistaken. I am sure that Argentina is totally reasonable and doesn't obsessively display signs everywhere from major roads to the middle of deserts proclaiming that the Falklands are theirs and that the British should leave, they obviously don't constantly try to proclaim how the Falklands are theirs during football, they don't tell the British to leave and not to dock at their ports, and they obviously don't put the bloody islands on their money so every time they go to buy a burger they are reminded how evil the Brits are for stealing their islands.
I'm sure Argentina is completely sane and not to bothered about the islands and never promote hate and war against the other people claiming the islands, just like us in Britain.

https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/14/1402737490517/Argentina-Malvinas-009.jpg
http://radiouniversidad.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/malvinas-argentinas2.jpg
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/andersonantunes/files/2013/12/FalklandsReuters-300x201.jpg
http://www.albanytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/A-sign-at-the-Argentine-Brazilian-border-translated-into-English-proclaims-The-Malvinas-are-Argentine.png
http://ionevoxxi.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/argentina-falklands-p_kass.jpg?w=600&h=400
https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/1/27/1327708168786/Argentinian-activists-air-007.jpg
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/ushuaia-capital-of-islas-malvinas-sign-argentina-joe-fox.jpg
http://www.big-sur.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/P1030319.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/11/article-1257150-0874396D000005DC-420_468x342.jpg
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120303/rasouli_amir20120303083427930.jpg
http://timelapseexposure.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/20130211-204446.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YNdQbOhRW0I/Tt0KX8I4orI/AAAAAAAAAzM/SAZhVAVnXZQ/s320/iding+into+Ushiaia+009.JPG
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73994000/jpg/_73994687_capture2.jpg

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

EDIT: btw.. We were talking about the vulture funds and the big support for Argentina.

Maybe the fact that the majority of people in the thread got mixed up points to the fact that it's often a good idea to state which issue you're talking about, when you're juggling two related issues, for both of which what you are about to say could apply.

[WestRedMaple]

Argentina still has anti-British propaganda on road signs

We don't have and never had anti-British propaganda on road signs..

No, most of the world doesn't support Argentina's claim. Most of South America's governments and the Chinese government supports Argentina's claims. Nobody else supports Argentina. USA and EU have said they will back whoever has de facto control, which is currently Britain.

Don't say bullshit.

Dark blue: Supports the British claim
Turqoise (US etc): Neutral
Everything red: Supports the Argentinean claim


Source: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_di ... o_2014.png

Wait, so what you're showing is that someone choosing one side can color in countries as they wish with no regard for reality?!?! That wouldn't come as news to anyone with any sense.

The Commonwealth of Nations lists them as part of the UK. The EU treats them as part of the UK. Among the countries taking Argentina's side, many are doing it in reciprocity for Argentina's backing of their own imperial claims

Under international law, they are part of the UK. Under the right of self-determination, they are overwhelmingly part of the UK.

The UK made a claim before Argentina even existed.

[WestRedMaple]

Just accept that most of the world supports Argentina's claim. And.. dubious territorial claims? Italy?

What is Argentina's claim based on, again, seeing how virtually every resident wants the status quo?

It's based on the age-old notion of 'wah wah, we want it! Give it to us or we'll keep throwing tantrums!' familiar to anyone who has spent much time around toddlers

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

We don't have and never had anti-British propaganda on road signs..

Sorry, I must of been mistaken. I am sure that Argentina is totally reasonable and doesn't obsessively display signs everywhere from major roads to the middle of deserts proclaiming that the Falklands are theirs and that the British should leave, they obviously don't constantly try to proclaim how the Falklands are theirs during football, they don't tell the British to leave and not to dock at their ports, and they obviously don't put the bloody islands on their money so every time they go to buy a burger they are reminded how evil the Brits are for stealing their islands.
I'm sure Argentina is completely sane and not to bothered about the islands and never promote hate and war against the other people claiming the islands, just like us in Britain.

https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/14/1402737490517/Argentina-Malvinas-009.jpg
http://radiouniversidad.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/malvinas-argentinas2.jpg
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/andersonantunes/files/2013/12/FalklandsReuters-300x201.jpg
http://www.albanytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/A-sign-at-the-Argentine-Brazilian-border-translated-into-English-proclaims-The-Malvinas-are-Argentine.png
http://ionevoxxi.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/argentina-falklands-p_kass.jpg?w=600&h=400
https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/1/27/1327708168786/Argentinian-activists-air-007.jpg
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/ushuaia-capital-of-islas-malvinas-sign-argentina-joe-fox.jpg
http://www.big-sur.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/P1030319.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/11/article-1257150-0874396D000005DC-420_468x342.jpg
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120303/rasouli_amir20120303083427930.jpg
http://timelapseexposure.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/20130211-204446.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YNdQbOhRW0I/Tt0KX8I4orI/AAAAAAAAAzM/SAZhVAVnXZQ/s320/iding+into+Ushiaia+009.JPG
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73994000/jpg/_73994687_capture2.jpg

What a bunch of cry babies.

[Risottia]

Argentina still has anti-British propaganda on road signs

We don't have and never had anti-British propaganda on road signs..

No, most of the world doesn't support Argentina's claim. Most of South America's governments and the Chinese government supports Argentina's claims. Nobody else supports Argentina. USA and EU have said they will back whoever has de facto control, which is currently Britain.

Don't say bullshit.

Dark blue: Supports the British claim
Turqoise (US etc): Neutral
Everything red: Supports the Argentinean claim


Source: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_di ... _Malvinas-
Falklands_dispute_to_2014.png

Curiously enough, the same article (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_di ... _2010-2014) doesn't support what's in the pic.

Respaldo del G-77 y la República Popular China
La declaración final adoptada por aclamación, en su parte pertinente, señala: «Los ministros reafirmamos la necesidad de que el Gobierno de la República Argentina y el Reino Unido de Gran Bretaña e Irlanda del Norte reanuden las negociaciones, de conformidad con los principios y los objetivos de la Carta de las Naciones Unidas y las resoluciones pertinentes de la Asamblea General».


Which is NOT a support for the Argentine claim.

Respaldo de Italia
El pasado 19 de abril de 2012, el Canciller argentino visitó el Parlamento italiano donde expuso ante legisladores italianos la posición argentina y requirió el apoyo a las negociaciones pacíficas entre Buenos Aires y Londres.
Debido a ello, el 14 de mayo de 2012 un grupo de 48 parlamentarios italianos manifestaron su apoyo a la solicitud argentina de reabrir las negociaciones sobre el caso las Malvinas y enviaron un documento firmado al secretario general de la Organización de las Naciones Unidas (ONU), Ban Ki-moon, para que atienda el llamado del Gobierno de Cristina Fernández.

48 Italian MPs out of about 950 (630 deputati + 320ish senatori) is in NO WAY an Italian support for the Argentine claim over the Falklands.

He can't, because the only two sources show the same thing. Italy doesn't support it. 15% 5% of their lawmakersdo did.

Fixed.
Because there are about 950 MPs in Italy. And because we've had parliamentary elections in 2013, in case someone didn't notice.
Also, they signed a paper supporting negotiations over the issue at the UN, not supporting Argentine sovereignty tout court.

[Risottia]

... The EU treats them as part of the UK. ...

By the way, the EU includes Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland - which the pic lists as "supporting Argentine sovereignty over the Falklands", and also Belgium, NL, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Cyprus, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia - which the pic lists as "neutral on the issue".



Is it just a coincidence that the wikiarticle has no English translation - or any other translation in any other language?

[Malgrave]

... The EU treats them as part of the UK. ...

By the way, the EU includes Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland - which the pic lists as "supporting Argentine sovereignty over the Falklands", and also Belgium, NL, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Cyprus, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia - which the pic lists as "neutral on the issue".



Is it just a coincidence that the wikiarticle has no English translation - or any other translation in any other language?

The Commonwealth also considers the Falklands to be a British Overseas Territory. It seems this map is the fantasy of some Argentine nationalist.

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

By the way, the EU includes Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland - which the pic lists as "supporting Argentine sovereignty over the Falklands", and also Belgium, NL, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Cyprus, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia - which the pic lists as "neutral on the issue".



Is it just a coincidence that the wikiarticle has no English translation - or any other translation in any other language?

The Commonwealth also considers the Falklands to be a British Overseas Territory. It seems this map is the fantasy of some Argentine nationalist.

Anyone care to Microsoft Paint the map accurately?
Also, to bring this back on topic, I honestly wouldn't mind the Argentines purchasing the jets, because I'm going to call their bluff in doubting that they'd ever use them.
However, whether or not we can rely on them to pay for the jets is a different matter.

[Risottia]

The Commonwealth also considers the Falklands to be a British Overseas Territory. It seems this map is the fantasy of some Argentine nationalist.

Anyone care to Microsoft Paint the map accurately?

Why waste time when the only opinions that actually matter on the issue are the opinions of the Falklanders and the opinion of the British Government?

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

Anyone care to Microsoft Paint the map accurately?

Why waste time when the only opinions that actually matter on the issue are the opinions of the Falklanders and the opinion of the British Government?

Mostly just to see what it'd look like, really.

[Calimera II]

We don't have and never had anti-British propaganda on road signs..

Sorry, I must of been mistaken. I am sure that Argentina is totally reasonable and doesn't obsessively display signs everywhere from major roads to the middle of deserts proclaiming that the Falklands are theirs and that the British should leave, they obviously don't constantly try to proclaim how the Falklands are theirs during football, they don't tell the British to leave and not to dock at their ports, and they obviously don't put the bloody islands on their money so every time they go to buy a burger they are reminded how evil the Brits are for stealing their islands.
I'm sure Argentina is completely sane and not to bothered about the islands and never promote hate and war against the other people claiming the islands, just like us in Britain.

https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/14/1402737490517/Argentina-Malvinas-009.jpg
http://radiouniversidad.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/malvinas-argentinas2.jpg
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/andersonantunes/files/2013/12/FalklandsReuters-300x201.jpg
http://www.albanytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/A-sign-at-the-Argentine-Brazilian-border-translated-into-English-proclaims-The-Malvinas-are-Argentine.png
http://ionevoxxi.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/argentina-falklands-p_kass.jpg?w=600&h=400
https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/1/27/1327708168786/Argentinian-activists-air-007.jpg
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/ushuaia-capital-of-islas-malvinas-sign-argentina-joe-fox.jpg
http://www.big-sur.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/P1030319.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/11/article-1257150-0874396D000005DC-420_468x342.jpg
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120303/rasouli_amir20120303083427930.jpg
http://timelapseexposure.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/20130211-204446.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YNdQbOhRW0I/Tt0KX8I4orI/AAAAAAAAAzM/SAZhVAVnXZQ/s320/iding+into+Ushiaia+009.JPG
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73994000/jpg/_73994687_capture2.jpg

How is this ANTI-British?

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

How is this ANTI-British?

Maybe you'd like to examine all of the images first?
But yes, the "las Malvinas son Argentina" signs mightn't strictly be anti-British, however, I would argue that they are anti-democracy.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Sorry, I must of been mistaken. I am sure that Argentina is totally reasonable and doesn't obsessively display signs everywhere from major roads to the middle of deserts proclaiming that the Falklands are theirs and that the British should leave, they obviously don't constantly try to proclaim how the Falklands are theirs during football, they don't tell the British to leave and not to dock at their ports, and they obviously don't put the bloody islands on their money so every time they go to buy a burger they are reminded how evil the Brits are for stealing their islands.
I'm sure Argentina is completely sane and not to bothered about the islands and never promote hate and war against the other people claiming the islands, just like us in Britain.

https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/14/1402737490517/Argentina-Malvinas-009.jpg
http://radiouniversidad.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/malvinas-argentinas2.jpg
http://b-i.forbesimg.com/andersonantunes/files/2013/12/FalklandsReuters-300x201.jpg
http://www.albanytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/A-sign-at-the-Argentine-Brazilian-border-translated-into-English-proclaims-The-Malvinas-are-Argentine.png
http://ionevoxxi.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/argentina-falklands-p_kass.jpg?w=600&h=400
https://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/1/27/1327708168786/Argentinian-activists-air-007.jpg
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/ushuaia-capital-of-islas-malvinas-sign-argentina-joe-fox.jpg
http://www.big-sur.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/P1030319.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/11/article-1257150-0874396D000005DC-420_468x342.jpg
http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120303/rasouli_amir20120303083427930.jpg
http://timelapseexposure.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/20130211-204446.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YNdQbOhRW0I/Tt0KX8I4orI/AAAAAAAAAzM/SAZhVAVnXZQ/s320/iding+into+Ushiaia+009.JPG
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73994000/jpg/_73994687_capture2.jpg

How is this ANTI-British?

Maybe you should, y'know, look at the images first?

[Calimera II]

How is this ANTI-British?

Maybe you'd like to examine all of the images first?

Ehhmm.. he said:

Argentina still has anti-British propaganda on road signs

And that is totally false.

Btw, individuals aren't representative for the whole population.. and individuals aren't road signs.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Maybe you'd like to examine all of the images first?

Ehhmm.. he said:

Argentina still has anti-British propaganda on road signs

And that is totally false.

Btw, individuals aren't representative for the whole population.. and individuals aren't road signs.

Nice backpedalling. What is Argentina's claim based upon again?

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Maybe you'd like to examine all of the images first?

Ehhmm.. he said:

Argentina still has anti-British propaganda on road signs

And that is totally false.

Btw, individuals aren't representative for the whole population.. and individuals aren't road signs.

Hmm...

[Calimera II]

Ehhmm.. he said:

And that is totally false.

Btw, individuals aren't representative for the whole population.. and individuals aren't road signs.

What is Argentina's claim based upon again?

Here you are: http://cancilleria.gov.ar/userfiles/ale ... da_eng.pdf

[Calimera II]

Ehhmm.. he said:

And that is totally false.

Btw, individuals aren't representative for the whole population.. and individuals aren't road signs.

Hmm...

Is that a road sign?