U.K. to block any sale of JAS-39s to Argentina

[Marcurix]

Indeed. And despite the Falklands REPEATED referendums that have vote AGAINST being Argentinian, Argentina STILL retains claims over an island it has no viable claims over. Realpolitic comes to mind. As a point of fact, I suspect that if Argentina HAD the military capability to take the Falklands and hold them, we would have had a second war by now.

And? Spain retains a claim on Gibraltar. Somehow we manage not just Co-operate, but remain part of the same defensive alliance.

But then Spain hasn't tried to invade said place it claims in living memory, nor does it go round trying to isolate said place or preform measures against British businesses as a result of not getting its way.

[Calimera II]

And? Spain retains a claim on Gibraltar. Somehow we manage not just Co-operate, but remain part of the same defensive alliance.

But then Spain hasn't tried to invade said place it claims in living memory, nor does it go round trying to isolate said place or preform measures against British businesses as a result of not getting its way.

Maybe it is an irrational fear that Argentina or Spain will invade the Malvinas Islands and Gibraltar respectively?

[Marcurix]

But then Spain hasn't tried to invade said place it claims in living memory, nor does it go round trying to isolate said place or preform measures against British businesses as a result of not getting its way.

Maybe it is an irrational fear that Argentina or Spain will invade the Malvinas Islands and Gibraltar respectively?

I very much doubt that.

[Calimera II]

Maybe it is an irrational fear that Argentina or Spain will invade the Malvinas Islands and Gibraltar respectively?

I very much doubt that.

And why? Do you actually think that Argentina or Spain will invade ''British'' territory?

[Vassenor]

I very much doubt that.

And why? Do you actually think that Argentina or Spain will invade ''British'' territory?

Well in the former case there's a precedent for it.

[Marcurix]

I very much doubt that.

And why? Do you actually think that Argentina or Spain will invade ''British'' territory?

I think Argentina and Spain will continue to use places that have no desire to be part of them as symbols for nationalistic rallying. The former has already shows its willing to impose economic measures alongside this, so really it can't complain when retaliatory action is taken.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

30 percent does not account for majority stockholder status in Saab industries.

Britian, be more like Tony Stark, and less like Batman.

Seriously, it's Argentina. And it's only 24 planes. Don't worry about it bro.

/merricuh: Continues selling M1A2 MBTs to ISIS.
-Come at us, give us an excuse to glass you. Why else would we let North Korea go nuclear?

[Imperializt Russia]

Apparently you missed the bollocks a few months ago where the Spanish tried to impose a fee to cross the border. And all the times they've complained when fishing vessels "straying" over the line get stopped.

Yet somehow they've managed to acquire eurofighter and join NATO. Clearly and ongoing territorial dispute does not prevent peaceful, if not amicable, relations.

Is it entirely unreasonable to suggest that Spain presents a less significant military threat to British interests in Europe than Argentina presents to British interests in the South Atlantic?
For what is probably a long list of reasons.

[The Nihilistic view]

30 percent does not account for majority stockholder status in Saab industries.

Britian, be more like Tony Stark, and less like Batman.

Seriously, it's Argentina. And it's only 24 planes. Don't worry about it bro.

/merricuh: Continues selling M1A2 MBTs to ISIS.
-Come at us, give us an excuse to glass you. Why else would we let North Korea go nuclear?

It's not owning 30% of SAAB, it's 30% of the planes components are made by British firms. No UK firm owns any part of SAAB anymore. The UK governments ban on British military exports ending up in Argentina means that the parts and software could not be delivered to SAAB for the planes as the planes would be going to Argentina. So either SAAB would have to develop their own or Argentina would. Neither of which is very likely due to cost considerations for SAAB and Argentina lacking both the money and probably the technical ability to develop suitable replacements in to fit in the aircraft the near future. Also Sweden is leaning closer to NATO with more people becoming in favour of it so selling the planes anyway would be a good way or rocking that particular boat.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

30 percent does not account for majority stockholder status in Saab industries.

Britian, be more like Tony Stark, and less like Batman.

Seriously, it's Argentina. And it's only 24 planes. Don't worry about it bro.

/merricuh: Continues selling M1A2 MBTs to ISIS.
-Come at us, give us an excuse to glass you. Why else would we let North Korea go nuclear?

It's not owning 30% of SAAB, it's 30% of the planes components are made by British firms. No UK firm owns any part of SAAB anymore. The UK governments ban on British military exports ending up in Argentina means that the parts and software could not be delivered to SAAB for the planes as the planes would be going to Argentina. So either SAAB would have to develop their own or Argentina would. Neither of which is very likely due to cost considerations for SAAB and Argentina lacking both the money and probably the technical ability to develop suitable replacements in to fit in the aircraft the near future. Also Sweden is leaning closer to NATO with more people becoming in favour of it so selling the planes anyway would be a good way or rocking that particular boat.

In that case, Saab-Argentina would probably sub-contract for Chinese knock-offs, or go with the French connection.

Although Russia is starting to come to light.

And since they're UN security-council, the most UK can do is leer at them menacingly at the next summit.
-UK motions to impose sanctions against France/China, France/China Vetoes sanction. Veto cannot be overruled.

Argentina shall have its planes. Meaning the article is pointless provocation of the Argentinian peoples.
-Its as though UK wants to go to war, over 24 planes and a handful of sheep-fur.

Worst case scenario, they re-float the Edmund Fitzgerald and use it as a narco-boat to ship the planes in. Thankfully we have divers periodically checking-in on that particular hull.
-Why doesn't NS have a 26,000 ton narco-sub?

[Fartsniffage]

It's not owning 30% of SAAB, it's 30% of the planes components are made by British firms. No UK firm owns any part of SAAB anymore. The UK governments ban on British military exports ending up in Argentina means that the parts and software could not be delivered to SAAB for the planes as the planes would be going to Argentina. So either SAAB would have to develop their own or Argentina would. Neither of which is very likely due to cost considerations for SAAB and Argentina lacking both the money and probably the technical ability to develop suitable replacements in to fit in the aircraft the near future. Also Sweden is leaning closer to NATO with more people becoming in favour of it so selling the planes anyway would be a good way or rocking that particular boat.

In that case, Saab-Argentina would probably sub-contract for Chinese knock-offs, or go with the French connection.

Although Russia is starting to come to light.

And since they're UN security-council, the most UK can do is leer at them menacingly at the next summit.
-UK motions to impose sanctions against France/China, France/China Vetoes sanction. Veto cannot be overruled.

Argentina shall have its planes. Meaning the article is pointless provocation of the Argentinian peoples.
-Its as though UK wants to go to war, over 24 planes.

The UK wants to go to war for withholding weapons from Argentina, but Argentina is being all peaceful like by banning British registered ships from their ports and trying to fine ships carrying the red duster?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

In that case, Saab-Argentina would probably sub-contract for Chinese knock-offs, or go with the French connection.

Although Russia is starting to come to light.

And since they're UN security-council, the most UK can do is leer at them menacingly at the next summit.
-UK motions to impose sanctions against France/China, France/China Vetoes sanction. Veto cannot be overruled.

Argentina shall have its planes. Meaning the article is pointless provocation of the Argentinian peoples.
-Its as though UK wants to go to war, over 24 planes.

The UK wants to go to war for withholding weapons from Argentina, but Argentina is being all peaceful like by banning British registered ships from their ports and trying to fine ships carrying the red duster?

UK is imposing economic measures that are bound to fail, and apparently are more than willing to whine about it.

Argentina's measures are relatively easy to enforce, and highly rational.
-British ships can still be interned for refueling, the crew just isn't allowed off-ship.

[Dooom35796821595]

The UK wants to go to war for withholding weapons from Argentina, but Argentina is being all peaceful like by banning British registered ships from their ports and trying to fine ships carrying the red duster?

UK is imposing economic measures that are bound to fail, and apparently are more than willing to whine about it.

Argentina's measures are relatively easy to enforce, and highly rational.

No, they're restricting argentine access to British components which they are fully within their rights to do.

[Fartsniffage]

The UK wants to go to war for withholding weapons from Argentina, but Argentina is being all peaceful like by banning British registered ships from their ports and trying to fine ships carrying the red duster?

UK is imposing economic measures that are bound to fail, and apparently are more than willing to whine about it.

Argentina's measures are relatively easy to enforce, and highly rational.

Indeed. And you've not the slightest idea what you're talking about. Enjoy yourself though.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

UK is imposing economic measures that are bound to fail, and apparently are more than willing to whine about it.

Argentina's measures are relatively easy to enforce, and highly rational.

No, they're restricting argentine access to British components which they are fully within their rights to do.

On a finished product that they do NOT own the rights to.

This also does nothing at all to prevent a strawman-purchase.

[Dooom35796821595]

No, they're restricting argentine access to British components which they are fully within their rights to do.

On a finished product that they do NOT own the rights to.

They have the rights to veto sales.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Indeed. And despite the Falklands REPEATED referendums that have vote AGAINST being Argentinian, Argentina STILL retains claims over an island it has no viable claims over. Realpolitic comes to mind. As a point of fact, I suspect that if Argentina HAD the military capability to take the Falklands and hold them, we would have had a second war by now.

And? Spain retains a claim on Gibraltar. Somehow we manage not just Co-operate, but remain part of the same defensive alliance.

And Spain hasn't tried to invade Gibraltar, in centuries.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

On a finished product that they do NOT own the rights to.

They have the rights to veto sales.

Not really. (fails to specify who exactly has authority to issue a veto)

May need to review their EULA.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

Oh fuck off with that shit. Argentinians are fucking implanted according to that incredibly idiotic logic.

...So

Seriously? I can't even... what?

[WestRedMaple]

No, they're restricting argentine access to British components which they are fully within their rights to do.

On a finished product that they do NOT own the rights to.

This also does nothing at all to prevent a strawman-purchase.

And no attempt is made to stop them from selling as much of the other 70% as anyone desires.

Sure, a some other country could purchase them for Argentina...and quite likely find itself unable to purchase weapon systems in the future. That's a call that each country has to make for itself

[Fartsniffage]

They have the rights to veto sales.

Not really. (fails to specify who exactly has authority to issue a veto)

May need to review their EULA.

You have access to the EULA?

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

No, they're restricting argentine access to British components which they are fully within their rights to do.

On a finished product that they do NOT own the rights to.

This also does nothing at all to prevent a strawman-purchase.

Considering that in the deal between the UK and SAAB it was stated that the UK has veto right on which country the planes are sold to, yes they do have the right to do this.

[The Nihilistic view]

It's not owning 30% of SAAB, it's 30% of the planes components are made by British firms. No UK firm owns any part of SAAB anymore. The UK governments ban on British military exports ending up in Argentina means that the parts and software could not be delivered to SAAB for the planes as the planes would be going to Argentina. So either SAAB would have to develop their own or Argentina would. Neither of which is very likely due to cost considerations for SAAB and Argentina lacking both the money and probably the technical ability to develop suitable replacements in to fit in the aircraft the near future. Also Sweden is leaning closer to NATO with more people becoming in favour of it so selling the planes anyway would be a good way or rocking that particular boat.

In that case, Saab-Argentina would probably sub-contract for Chinese knock-offs, or go with the French connection.

Although Russia is starting to come to light.

And since they're UN security-council, the most UK can do is leer at them menacingly at the next summit.
-UK motions to impose sanctions against France/China, France/China Vetoes sanction. Veto cannot be overruled.

Argentina shall have its planes. Meaning the article is pointless provocation of the Argentinian peoples.
-Its as though UK wants to go to war, over 24 planes.

It might get whole planes from China or somewhere else. But it's very unlikely SAAB and the Swedish government would sell them and allow the sale respectively anyway unless the UK said it was ok. Argentina has already tried to buy planes from other countries the last few years and often British diplomatic pressure has prevented a sale. The most interesting one being they managed to persuade Spain not to sell old Mirages to Argentina, again one reason was British components. If Britain has the soft power to persuade Spain not to sell old fighters to Argentina with less leverage i'm sure they can persuade SAAB and Sweden not to sell new ones. And to an earlier point this type of cooperation probably explains why the UK does not view Spain as a threat and allows arms exports and partakes in joint weapons programs with Spain.

[The Essexe]

Serves them right.

[Dracoria]

It did, but for our good pals in Argentina I'm sure we could work something out

The cost of re-opening production facilities for an extraordinarily small production run would make the F-22 programme (Argentina edition) even more expensive than the original programme. They would probably struggle to afford even one aircraft.
But by all means, lets work something out and let them blow their money on such a small order, at least the US would make a bit of money out of the deal and the Argentines would be able to parade around their fancy new toys.

They'd be able to parade them around on trailers for a while, maybe. Keeping an F-22 flightworthy is a whole different matter, as they suck up maintenance hours like a fat Belgian kid sucks up little chocolates. The planes would be very expensive lawn ornaments in no time.

Sometimes I'm certain the use of highly maintenance and supply chain intensive combat machines is secretly a defense method in itself. ISIS has captured Iraqi M1s has not been noted to use any, probably because of the fuel and maintenance issues. Likewise, if an F-22 fell into the hands of an opposing force, how long do you think it could be kept in enough a shape to fly, let alone remain stealthy?

Oh fuck off with that shit. Argentinians are fucking implanted according to that incredibly idiotic logic.

...So

You replied to the wrong post. Look for any by Manisdog.