U.K. to block any sale of JAS-39s to Argentina

[WestRedMaple]

The United Kingdom is wrong to stop weapons trade. It's pathetic that they're scared of Argentina protecting its own interests. If the United Kingdom really was tough they would pick on someone their own size. Stopping fair trade, that shows that you're afraid of competition.

Or, far more likely, they aren't interested in actually helping Argentina infringe on the UK.

They haven't stopped fair trade. Argentina remains perfectly capable of purchasing any weapon system they like from anyone who will sell it to them.

[The Nihilistic view]

The United Kingdom is wrong to stop weapons trade. It's pathetic that they're scared of Argentina protecting its own interests. If the United Kingdom really was tough they would pick on someone their own size. Stopping fair trade, that shows that you're afraid of competition.

Tell me more about how it's wrong to stop the sale of weapons that might later be used to kill your own people. In fact why don't we just give them half of our SSBN fleet fully equipped with missiles, warheads and instruction manuals.

[The UK in Exile]

The United Kingdom is wrong to stop weapons trade. It's pathetic that they're scared of Argentina protecting its own interests. If the United Kingdom really was tough they would pick on someone their own size. Stopping fair trade, that shows that you're afraid of competition.

Or, far more likely, they aren't interested in actually helping Argentina infringe on the UK.

They haven't stopped fair trade. Argentina remains perfectly capable of purchasing any weapon system they like from anyone who will sell it to them.

Which makes refusing to sell all the more ridiculous.

The United Kingdom is wrong to stop weapons trade. It's pathetic that they're scared of Argentina protecting its own interests. If the United Kingdom really was tough they would pick on someone their own size. Stopping fair trade, that shows that you're afraid of competition.

Tell me more about how it's wrong to stop the sale of weapons that might later be used to kill your own people. In fact why don't we just give them half of our SSBN fleet fully equipped with missiles, warheads and instruction manuals.

Because we and they are signatories to the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty?

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

The United Kingdom is wrong to stop weapons trade. It's pathetic that they're scared of Argentina protecting its own interests. If the United Kingdom really was tough they would pick on someone their own size. Stopping fair trade, that shows that you're afraid of competition.

I don't think you understand how international politics work.

[Dooom35796821595]

Or, far more likely, they aren't interested in actually helping Argentina infringe on the UK.

They haven't stopped fair trade. Argentina remains perfectly capable of purchasing any weapon system they like from anyone who will sell it to them.

Which makes refusing to sell all the more ridiculous.

Tell me more about how it's wrong to stop the sale of weapons that might later be used to kill your own people. In fact why don't we just give them half of our SSBN fleet fully equipped with missiles, warheads and instruction manuals.

Because we and they are signatories to the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty?

Well considering the argentine disregard for international law it shouldn't be a problem for them.

[The UK in Exile]

Which makes refusing to sell all the more ridiculous.



Because we and they are signatories to the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty?

Well considering the argentine disregard for international law it shouldn't be a problem for them.

I'm sure your aware that the UK is not in a position to cast stones when it comes to ignoring the spirit of international law.

[The Nihilistic view]

Or, far more likely, they aren't interested in actually helping Argentina infringe on the UK.

They haven't stopped fair trade. Argentina remains perfectly capable of purchasing any weapon system they like from anyone who will sell it to them.

Which makes refusing to sell all the more ridiculous.

Tell me more about how it's wrong to stop the sale of weapons that might later be used to kill your own people. In fact why don't we just give them half of our SSBN fleet fully equipped with missiles, warheads and instruction manuals.

Because we and they are signatories to the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty?

That's the point, it's T Roosevelt, the NPT is stopping fair trade and free competition.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

No, the point is that the world isn't going to end if they block the sale. It's not as if this sale is economically crucial or some such.

No, but there's also the absence of a logical reason for blocking it.

Britain sells arms, its always sold arms, frequently to people it ends up fighting. If our standard is that we can't sell arms that might end up being used against us. Then we can't sell them period. To argue that Argentina is currently a special case is nonsense in light of who we have previously sold: Argentina, Iraq, Egypt, Russia.

#2wrongsmakearight

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Solution: sell them lemons.

[Vassenor]

No, but there's also the absence of a logical reason for blocking it.

Britain sells arms, its always sold arms, frequently to people it ends up fighting. If our standard is that we can't sell arms that might end up being used against us. Then we can't sell them period. To argue that Argentina is currently a special case is nonsense in light of who we have previously sold: Argentina, Iraq, Egypt, Russia.

#2wrongsmakearight

No, we're just not allowed to learn from our mistakes because that would mean oppressing poor innocent Argentina.

[The UK in Exile]

No, but there's also the absence of a logical reason for blocking it.

Britain sells arms, its always sold arms, frequently to people it ends up fighting. If our standard is that we can't sell arms that might end up being used against us. Then we can't sell them period. To argue that Argentina is currently a special case is nonsense in light of who we have previously sold: Argentina, Iraq, Egypt, Russia.

#2wrongsmakearight

It's government policy to sell arms to countries that want them, if we are picking countries to sell arms to arms to modern Argentina seems a rather better customer than most others.

[Indira]

Of course they would. Such a sale (Assuming they could even afford them) would pose a significant potential threat to Britain's interests. The war may have been 32 years ago, but Argentina has repeatedly made threatening language since then and never officially or otherwise, relinquished their claims.

[The UK in Exile]

Of course they would. Such a sale (Assuming they could even afford them) would pose a significant potential threat to Britain's interests. The war may have been 32 years ago, but Argentina has repeatedly made threatening language since then and never officially or otherwise, relinquished their claims.

Just committed to resolving them peacefully.

[Indira]

The United Kingdom is wrong to stop weapons trade. It's pathetic that they're scared of Argentina protecting its own interests. If the United Kingdom really was tough they would pick on someone their own size. Stopping fair trade, that shows that you're afraid of competition.

Certainly. When will you be supporting the sale of F-35s to Iran?

[Vassenor]

Of course they would. Such a sale (Assuming they could even afford them) would pose a significant potential threat to Britain's interests. The war may have been 32 years ago, but Argentina has repeatedly made threatening language since then and never officially or otherwise, relinquished their claims.

Just committed to resolving them peacefully.

Despite the objections of the people who would actually be affected. Because the only resolution the Argentine government have stated they will accept is the islands being turned over to them.

[Indira]

Of course they would. Such a sale (Assuming they could even afford them) would pose a significant potential threat to Britain's interests. The war may have been 32 years ago, but Argentina has repeatedly made threatening language since then and never officially or otherwise, relinquished their claims.

Just committed to resolving them peacefully.

Indeed. And despite the Falklands REPEATED referendums that have vote AGAINST being Argentinian, Argentina STILL retains claims over an island it has no viable claims over. Realpolitic comes to mind. As a point of fact, I suspect that if Argentina HAD the military capability to take the Falklands and hold them, we would have had a second war by now.

[WestRedMaple]

Just committed to resolving them peacefully.

Indeed. And despite the Falklands REPEATED referendums that have vote AGAINST being Argentinian, Argentina STILL retains claims over an island it has no viable claims over. Realpolitic comes to mind. As a point of fact, I suspect that if Argentina HAD the military capability to take the Falklands and hold them, we would have had a second war by now.

Agreed. Argentina is committed to resolving it peacefully? It had ALREADY been resolved peacefully, but Argentina will not accept it.

Easy to claim a commitment to peace while being incapable of successfully waging a war

[The UK in Exile]

Just committed to resolving them peacefully.

Indeed. And despite the Falklands REPEATED referendums that have vote AGAINST being Argentinian, Argentina STILL retains claims over an island it has no viable claims over. Realpolitic comes to mind. As a point of fact, I suspect that if Argentina HAD the military capability to take the Falklands and hold them, we would have had a second war by now.

And? Spain retains a claim on Gibraltar. Somehow we manage not just Co-operate, but remain part of the same defensive alliance.

[Vassenor]

Indeed. And despite the Falklands REPEATED referendums that have vote AGAINST being Argentinian, Argentina STILL retains claims over an island it has no viable claims over. Realpolitic comes to mind. As a point of fact, I suspect that if Argentina HAD the military capability to take the Falklands and hold them, we would have had a second war by now.

And? Spain retains a claim on Gibraltar. Somehow we manage not just Co-operate, but remain part of the same defensive alliance.

Apparently you missed the bollocks a few months ago where the Spanish tried to impose a fee to cross the border. And all the times they've complained when fishing vessels "straying" over the line get stopped.

[The UK in Exile]

And? Spain retains a claim on Gibraltar. Somehow we manage not just Co-operate, but remain part of the same defensive alliance.

Apparently you missed the bollocks a few months ago where the Spanish tried to impose a fee to cross the border. And all the times they've complained when fishing vessels "straying" over the line get stopped.

Yet somehow they've managed to acquire eurofighter and join NATO. Clearly and ongoing territorial dispute does not prevent peaceful, if not amicable, relations.

[Indira]

Indeed. And despite the Falklands REPEATED referendums that have vote AGAINST being Argentinian, Argentina STILL retains claims over an island it has no viable claims over. Realpolitic comes to mind. As a point of fact, I suspect that if Argentina HAD the military capability to take the Falklands and hold them, we would have had a second war by now.

And? Spain retains a claim on Gibraltar. Somehow we manage not just Co-operate, but remain part of the same defensive alliance.

False equivication. Spain hasn't attempted to seize Gibraltor by force in CENTURIES, despite having a far more potent military capability

[Edward Scissorhands]

Good.

[Vassenor]

And? Spain retains a claim on Gibraltar. Somehow we manage not just Co-operate, but remain part of the same defensive alliance.

False equivication. Spain hasn't attempted to seize Gibraltor by force in CENTURIES, despite having a far more potent military capability

But it's still incontrovertible proof that we have no right to block this sale. Supposedly.

[Calimera II]

Those citizens were implanted.

Oh fuck off with that shit. Argentinians are fucking implanted according to that incredibly idiotic logic.

...So

[Calimera II]

"Look I know I tried to murder you that time but i'm totally different now. Would you just sell me the gun please, i'm totally a changed man"

Fuck no.

I don't particularly trust Kirchner.

And why wouldn't you trust her on foreign affairs? Do you think she is the Galtieri/Videla of this century?