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Postby Manisdog » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:09 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
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Not very well and The british should be denied an empire too


The British don't have an empire anymore, it ended in 1997 with the return of Hong Kong.


The Falklands is the last stronghold

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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:10 pm

Manisdog wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The British don't have an empire anymore, it ended in 1997 with the return of Hong Kong.


The Falklands is the last stronghold


What about -

Akrotiri and Dhekelia
Anguilla
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Gibraltar
Montserrat
Pitcairn Islands
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Postby The balkens » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:11 pm

Manisdog wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The British don't have an empire anymore, it ended in 1997 with the return of Hong Kong.


The Falklands is the last stronghold


But they want to be British.

Somehow that is a bad thing. Fuck, i am a American an I WANT to be British.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:16 pm

Manisdog wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The British don't have an empire anymore, it ended in 1997 with the return of Hong Kong.


The Falklands is the last stronghold


Interesting point, the Falklanders are part of the Shangan area meaning they can live anywhere in Europe but the reverse isn't true, even Brits need permission to live there. So how would giving it to Argentina be any less an empirical act then what you mistakenly believe is currently happening?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:17 pm

The balkens wrote:
Manisdog wrote:
The Falklands is the last stronghold


But they want to be British.

Somehow that is a bad thing. Fuck, i am a American an I WANT to be British.


Well if you organise a referendum and get a 51% yes vote you can! (Except in Argentinas eyes)
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Postby Manisdog » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:18 pm

The balkens wrote:
Manisdog wrote:
The Falklands is the last stronghold


But they want to be British.

Somehow that is a bad thing. Fuck, i am a American an I WANT to be British.



No offense mate,
You take your liberty for granted,
Your ancestors gave up there lives
so you don't have to British.

It is necessary honor ones ancestors

my two cents

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Postby Manisdog » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:21 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Manisdog wrote:
The Falklands is the last stronghold


What about -

Akrotiri and Dhekelia
Anguilla
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Gibraltar
Montserrat
Pitcairn Islands
Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Turks and Caicos Islands

The British Indian ocean territories belong to Mauritius

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:22 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Manisdog wrote:
The Falklands is the last stronghold


Interesting point, the Falklanders are part of the Shangan area meaning they can live anywhere in Europe but the reverse isn't true, even Brits need permission to live there. So how would giving it to Argentina be any less an empirical act then what you mistakenly believe is currently happening?


presumably you mean Schengen? in which case A) no they aren't and B) thats not what schengen does.
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:22 pm

Manisdog wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What about -

Akrotiri and Dhekelia
Anguilla
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Gibraltar
Montserrat
Pitcairn Islands
Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Turks and Caicos Islands

The British Indian ocean territories belong to Mauritius


Nope. Belongs to us. Has our name on it and everything.
u wot m8

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:28 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Interesting point, the Falklanders are part of the Shangan area meaning they can live anywhere in Europe but the reverse isn't true, even Brits need permission to live there. So how would giving it to Argentina be any less an empirical act then what you mistakenly believe is currently happening?


presumably you mean Schengen? in which case A) no they aren't and B) thats not what schengen does.


Quite right it's the free movement principle, the Schengen area is the one the UK isn't part of.
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Postby The balkens » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:31 pm

Manisdog wrote:
The balkens wrote:
But they want to be British.

Somehow that is a bad thing. Fuck, i am a American an I WANT to be British.



No offense mate,
You take your liberty for granted,
Your ancestors gave up there lives
so you don't have to British.

It is necessary honor ones ancestors

my two cents


Good thing my ancestors are German. ;)

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:32 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
presumably you mean Schengen? in which case A) no they aren't and B) thats not what schengen does.


Quite right it's the free movement principle, the Schengen area is the one the UK isn't part of.


Its a Common Visa Area, falklanders as brits don't need a visa to enter Europe.
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Postby Stormaen » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:39 pm

Frazers wrote:"Look I know I tried to murder you that time but i'm totally different now. Would you just sell me the gun please, i'm totally a changed man"

Fuck no.

Yep. About sums it up for me.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:41 pm

Stormaen wrote:
Frazers wrote:"Look I know I tried to murder you that time but i'm totally different now. Would you just sell me the gun please, i'm totally a changed man"

Fuck no.

Yep. About sums it up for me.


except they are changed men.

As in, they actually are different people.

I mean, they literally replaced the original leaders.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby The balkens » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:42 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Stormaen wrote:Yep. About sums it up for me.


except they are changed men.

As in, they actually are different people.

I mean, they literally replaced the original leaders.


Same shit right?

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:44 pm

The balkens wrote:
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except they are changed men.

As in, they actually are different people.

I mean, they literally replaced the original leaders.


Same shit right?


Not even close.
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby The balkens » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:45 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Same shit right?


Not even close.


How so?

I mean i know the Argentinians won't do anything but....

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:48 pm

The balkens wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
Not even close.


How so?

I mean i know the Argentinians won't do anything but....


During Argentina's Dirty War and Operation Condor, many alleged political dissidents were abducted or illegally detained and kept in clandestine detention centres such as ESMA, where they were questioned, tortured, and sometimes killed. The disappeared ones were people who were considered to be a political or ideological threat to the military junta.[4] The Argentine military justified torture to obtain intelligence and saw the disappearances as a way to curb political dissidence.[4] Whenever the female captives were pregnant, their children were stolen away right after giving birth, while they themselves remained detained. It is estimated that 500 young children and infants were given to families with close ties to the military to be raised.[5] Eventually, many of the captives were heavily drugged and loaded onto aircraft, from which they were thrown alive while in flight over the Atlantic Ocean in the so-called "death flights" or (vuelos de la muerte), so as to leave no trace of their death.[6] Without any dead bodies, the government could easily deny any knowledge of their whereabouts and any accusations that they had been killed. In addition, the forced disappearances was the military junta’s attempt to silence the opposition and break the determination of the guerrillas.[4] People murdered in this way (and in others) are today referred to as "the disappeared" (los desaparecidos).[7] There is an activist group called "Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo", formed by mothers of those victims of the dictatorship. In addition, a similar group was formed, Grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo, with the goal of finding the children stolen by the Argentine government during the Dirty War.[8]

The phrase was recognized by de facto President General Jorge Rafael Videla, who said in a press conference, "They are neither dead nor alive, they are desaparecidos (missing)". It is thought that in Argentina, between 1976 and 1983, up to 30,000 people (8,960 named cases, according to the official report by the CONADEP)[9] were killed or disappeared. According to a declassified cable, an estimate by the Argentine 601st Intelligence Battalion in mid-July 1978 (which started counting victims in 1975) produced a figure of 22,000 persons killed or "disappeared"—this document was first published by John Dinges in 2004
"We fought for the public good and would have enfranchised the people and secured the welfare of the whole groaning creation, if the nation had not more delighted in servitude than in freedom"

"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby The balkens » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:48 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The balkens wrote:
How so?

I mean i know the Argentinians won't do anything but....


During Argentina's Dirty War and Operation Condor, many alleged political dissidents were abducted or illegally detained and kept in clandestine detention centres such as ESMA, where they were questioned, tortured, and sometimes killed. The disappeared ones were people who were considered to be a political or ideological threat to the military junta.[4] The Argentine military justified torture to obtain intelligence and saw the disappearances as a way to curb political dissidence.[4] Whenever the female captives were pregnant, their children were stolen away right after giving birth, while they themselves remained detained. It is estimated that 500 young children and infants were given to families with close ties to the military to be raised.[5] Eventually, many of the captives were heavily drugged and loaded onto aircraft, from which they were thrown alive while in flight over the Atlantic Ocean in the so-called "death flights" or (vuelos de la muerte), so as to leave no trace of their death.[6] Without any dead bodies, the government could easily deny any knowledge of their whereabouts and any accusations that they had been killed. In addition, the forced disappearances was the military junta’s attempt to silence the opposition and break the determination of the guerrillas.[4] People murdered in this way (and in others) are today referred to as "the disappeared" (los desaparecidos).[7] There is an activist group called "Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo", formed by mothers of those victims of the dictatorship. In addition, a similar group was formed, Grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo, with the goal of finding the children stolen by the Argentine government during the Dirty War.[8]

The phrase was recognized by de facto President General Jorge Rafael Videla, who said in a press conference, "They are neither dead nor alive, they are desaparecidos (missing)". It is thought that in Argentina, between 1976 and 1983, up to 30,000 people (8,960 named cases, according to the official report by the CONADEP)[9] were killed or disappeared. According to a declassified cable, an estimate by the Argentine 601st Intelligence Battalion in mid-July 1978 (which started counting victims in 1975) produced a figure of 22,000 persons killed or "disappeared"—this document was first published by John Dinges in 2004


Oh.....My mistake. :oops:

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:53 pm

Manisdog wrote:
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Why should we give something to Britain that's already theirs?

The people that have lived in the Falklands for several generations (basically, natives at this point) wish to be British citizens. Who are you to tell them that they can't be?


I know the British will keep Falklands and even if Argentina gets these stupid aircrafts they are still too weak to fight the imperialists but still in an ideal world Britain will not get Falklands


When has the world been ideal? And even if it was ideal, Britain HAS the islands. What are you suggesting, someone start a war to take the Falklands away from the British by force? What would you do with the people that have been there for several generations? For all intents and purposes, those people are natives, and they want to be British.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:55 pm

Manisdog wrote:You will be suprised to know the government is the same, it is the same political process and make it 60 years, it is the same constitutional monarchy, it still believes in the divine right of kings, it has a state religion, its true that country is weak and is in decay but that is the truth and i cannot help it


The "divine right of kings" bollocks went out with the civil war. Four hundred years ago.
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Postby Dreadful Sagittarius » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:07 pm

I thought you'd got bored of us and decided to take your august presence elsewhere?

Manisdog wrote:
Gallifrey Secundaria wrote:Because of people living 200 years ago? Fuck off with that noise.

You will be suprised to know the government is the same,


Really? I could have sworn it was David Cameron who was Prime Minister, not Robert Jenkinson.

Manisdog wrote:it is the same political process and make it 60 years,


Not sure what this bit is supposed to say.

Manisdog wrote:it is the same constitutional monarchy,


In the sense of the same dynasty? Kinda sorta. In the sense of the same people holding it? Not really, George III is long-dead.

Manisdog wrote:it still believes in the divine right of kings,


We do? Hold the press, someone grab the TARDIS, we need to tell Oliver Cromwell his plan to lop off a king's head wouldn't work.

Manisdog wrote:it has a state religion,


And yet somehow we manage to avoid being dragged by the nose by religion unlike the US.

Manisdog wrote:its true that country is weak and is in decay but that is the truth and i cannot help it


We're weak and in decay? By that logic, most of the world consists of failed states.

Manisdog wrote:
The balkens wrote:
And those dirty anglos didnt bother to defend their country right? how dare they! :roll:


No they used Indian troops and other colonial troops in a white man's war


Did you read your copy-pasta? I've got the relevant section here for you;
Manisdog wrote:However, the bulk of the Indian Army was committed to fighting the Japanese Army, first during the British defeats in Malaya and the retreat from Burma to the Indian border; later, after resting and refitting for the victorious advance back into Burma, as part of the largest British Empire army ever formed.


Last I checked, the Japanese were classed as Asian.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:10 pm

Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Did you read your copy-pasta? I've got the relevant section here for you;
Manisdog wrote:However, the bulk of the Indian Army was committed to fighting the Japanese Army, first during the British defeats in Malaya and the retreat from Burma to the Indian border; later, after resting and refitting for the victorious advance back into Burma, as part of the largest British Empire army ever formed.


Last I checked, the Japanese were classed as Asian.


And last time I checked fighting to defend the British Empire was a white mans war.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:11 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Manisdog wrote:
The Falklands is the last stronghold


What about -

Akrotiri and Dhekelia
Anguilla
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Gibraltar
Montserrat
Pitcairn Islands
Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Turks and Caicos Islands


It's such a shame those people kind of like their current status. C'est la vie *sighs*
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Postby Dreadful Sagittarius » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:15 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Dreadful Sagittarius wrote:
Did you read your copy-pasta? I've got the relevant section here for you;


Last I checked, the Japanese were classed as Asian.


And last time I checked fighting to defend the British Empire was a white mans war.


Wait, you mean Kenyans, Indians, Burmese, Sierra Leonans, they're all white? I'm sure they'd be glad to know they can stick two fingers up at white supremacists.
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