Is communism evil? Eminent domain? Socialism?

[Rushtar]

If God is almighty and good at the same time, why are bad things here?
If you say freewill, I ask you, and why has God created the bad things?
If you say Satan, I will say, if he's almighty, why can't He beat him?
If you say that humans were corrupted by Eva through sin, I would say, and why God has created us with a chance of corruption?
So, God can't be almighty and good at the same time.

Why are you quoting a quote that is in a book of a Christian apologist who was actually attacking Epicurus?

I'm not quoting, just asking to see where it falls, I readjusted Epicurus, because when I had conversations with christians, they didn't know how to answer to all questions.

[Benuty]

His commitment to not debating is.....astounding.

Debating, that's man-made, is it not? Ergo, it's bad, I won't do it.

I guess my entire family will die of hypothermia, and the flu since clothing, and vaccines are man made.

[Solaray]

Evil? No. Un-Christian? Not inherently. Shitty? Yes, very.

[Jetan]

His commitment to not debating is.....astounding.

Debating, that's man-made, is it not? Ergo, it's bad, I won't do it.

How do you know it's man-made? Were you there?

[Kelinfort]

I recently read an interesting piece somewhere that explained (in only one sentence) why communism/socialism was evil. I forgot where it was (you'll have to take my word for it that I didn't just now make this up ), but it certainly stuck with me, and my family agrees that the quote is quite useful.

The quote went something like this:



Do you think that a man has a God-given right to land, property, family, a home, etc? Do you think Communism takes away those rights?

My opinion: Communism...hm. Yes. It takes away the rights a man has to property, seizes it, and holds it for the state. Socialism is less severe than communism, but it is more about taking away your rights to wealth, and distributing it to others. I think that communism has been proven a failure, and ought to not be pursued by any nation in the future. As a Christian I think that God has given everyone blessings to enjoy, and the state has no right to take them away or give them to others without your permission. I think eminent domain is socialism as well.

What does everyone think?

So have you read any of Marx's work? Lenin's? Mao's?

He read the famous Communist writer Comrade Pulled it Out of My Ass.

[Benuty]

Evil? No. Un-Christian? Not inherently. Shitty? Yes, very.

To the last one, how exactly?

[Olerand]

No such thing as "God-given" rights. All rights are granted by humanity to humanity.

Also, when did God give one the "right" to private property? I went to Catholic school, and it seems my socialist-communist Catholic priest/catechism educator neglected to mention that.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

So have you read any of Marx's work? Lenin's? Mao's?

He read the famous Communist writer Comrade Pulled it Out of My Ass.

And......sigged.

[Scomagia]

His commitment to not debating is.....astounding.

Debating, that's man-made, is it not? Ergo, it's bad, I won't do it.

Clearly the Godly way to express your opinion is to argue somewhat incoherently, refuse to give evidence, and refuse to accept evidence. *nods*

[Kelinfort]

His commitment to not debating is.....astounding.

Debating, that's man-made, is it not? Ergo, it's bad, I won't do it.

Even that's an argument...so...he should burst into flames right now.

[Otrenia]

The same logic applies towards the age of the Earth. We cannot prove the earth is six thousand years old, but that doesn't mean that millions of years is true.

There is no logic in what you've just said. Radiocarbon dating shows the earth to be billions, not millions (much less thousands), of years old.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

So basically they're right? Thank you.

That's an inconclusive deduction; I do not concede anything. However, I cannot prove that the Bible was written by God. This does not mean that God did not write the Bible and give it to men. There are, after all, many eyewitness accounts that the words of the Bible were given to men (those who wrote the Bible experienced divine encounters constantly).

The same logic applies towards the age of the Earth. We cannot prove the earth is six thousand years old, but that doesn't mean that millions of years is true.

The same logic applies towards natural rights vs. God-given rights. Because secularism and naturalism relies only on things we can see (nothing supernatural, invisible, or divine), it deducts that, because we cannot see God, there is no such thing as God-given rights. It denies something that quite possibly exists because it cannot see it. It's just like the people who did not believe in bacteria. They could not see it, therefore it didn't exist in their eyes!

Contradiction and nonsense are now your BFFs.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

If God is almighty and good at the same time, why are bad things here?

Answer: sin.

If you say freewill, I ask you, and why has God created the bad things?

Answer: sin.

If you say Satan, I will say, if he's almighty, why can't He beat him?

Answer: God can defeat Satan at any time with the snap of a finger. However, God is patient and does things according to a plan he has set in motion and will not ignore: God hasn't beaten Him yet because it is not yet Satan's time to be beaten.

If you say that humans were corrupted by Eva through sin, I would say, and why God has created us with a chance of corruption?

Answer: There is no chance of corruption or total righteousness: humans are sinful and corrupt by nature as a result of sin.

So, God can't be almighty and good at the same time.

Answer: Not so. As you are not God, you cannot dictate whether or not God is almighty and good at the same time. To be almighty is to be good. God freely judges and condemns evil and evil people; because he is a good, holy, and almighty God. Further, did you quote this from some other source?

[Pandeeria]

I must say, if you're a rich guy that owns a metric shit amount of land and you aren't doing anything with it, the government should have the right to redistribute it.

[Otrenia]

If God is almighty and good at the same time, why are bad things here?

Answer: sin.

If you say freewill, I ask you, and why has God created the bad things?

Answer: sin.

If you say Satan, I will say, if he's almighty, why can't He beat him?

Answer: God can defeat Satan at any time with the snap of a finger. However, God is patient and does things according to a plan he has set in motion and will not ignore: God hasn't beaten Him yet because it is not yet Satan's time to be beaten.

If you say that humans were corrupted by Eva through sin, I would say, and why God has created us with a chance of corruption?

Answer: There is no chance of corruption or total righteousness: humans are sinful and corrupt by nature as a result of sin.

So, God can't be almighty and good at the same time.

Answer: Not so. As you are not God, you cannot dictate whether or not God is almighty and good at the same time. To be almighty is to be good. God freely judges and condemns evil and evil people; because he is a good, holy, and almighty God. Further, did you quote this from some other source?

Where does sin come from?

[The Sons of Adam]

If God is almighty and good at the same time, why are bad things here?
If you say freewill, I ask you, and why has God created the bad things?
If you say Satan, I will say, if he's almighty, why can't He beat him?
If you say that humans were corrupted by Eva through sin, I would say, and why God has created us with a chance of corruption?
So, God can't be almighty and good at the same time.

He created us with free will, and that made things interesting. That's why humans can be corrupt.

[Solaray]

Evil? No. Un-Christian? Not inherently. Shitty? Yes, very.

To the last one, how exactly?

Because it sounds to me like it would produce a miserable at worst, drab at best, existence for the majority of people. Anarcho-Communism as well as Soviet-esque "communism".

Granted, I wouldn't know for sure, since I've never experienced it, but I've certainly thought about it, and it sounds mediocre at best.

[The Sons of Adam]

I must say, if you're a rich guy that owns a metric shit amount of land and you aren't doing anything with it, the government should have the right to redistribute it.

That punishes you for owning land. That takes away the right to do what you want with your stuff.

[Pandeeria]

If God is almighty and good at the same time, why are bad things here?
If you say freewill, I ask you, and why has God created the bad things?
If you say Satan, I will say, if he's almighty, why can't He beat him?
If you say that humans were corrupted by Eva through sin, I would say, and why God has created us with a chance of corruption?
So, God can't be almighty and good at the same time.

He created us with free will, and that made things interesting. That's why humans can be corrupt.

He gave us free will, but then punishes us for using it?

[Rushtar]

If God is almighty and good at the same time, why are bad things here?

Answer: sin.

If you say freewill, I ask you, and why has God created the bad things?

Answer: sin.

If you say Satan, I will say, if he's almighty, why can't He beat him?

Answer: God can defeat Satan at any time with the snap of a finger. However, God is patient and does things according to a plan he has set in motion and will not ignore: God hasn't beaten Him yet because it is not yet Satan's time to be beaten.

If you say that humans were corrupted by Eva through sin, I would say, and why God has created us with a chance of corruption?

Answer: There is no chance of corruption or total righteousness: humans are sinful and corrupt by nature as a result of sin.

So, God can't be almighty and good at the same time.

Answer: Not so. As you are not God, you cannot dictate whether or not God is almighty and good at the same time. To be almighty is to be good. God freely judges and condemns evil and evil people; because he is a good, holy, and almighty God. Further, did you quote this from some other source?

Now tell me where sin comes from and why God allows it.
PD: I wrote it inspired by Epicurus and readjusted to a conversation I had.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

I must say, if you're a rich guy that owns a metric shit amount of land and you aren't doing anything with it, the government should have the right to redistribute it.

Why? It's your property. You haven't committed a crime or high treason by owning your own land. You're free to do with it as you please, even if that means doing nothing at all.

[The Wolven League]

I don't think it is evil, it just has too many disadvanatges to be a worldwide thing, like the fact that people won't work harder because there is no reward for it.

[Kelinfort]

To the last one, how exactly?

Because it sounds to me like it would produce a miserable at worst, drab at best, existence for the majority of people. Anarcho-Communism as well as Soviet-esque "communism".

Granted, I wouldn't know for sure, since I've never experienced it, but I've certainly thought about it, and it sounds mediocre at best.

Communism wouldn't be terrible if we had a post scarcity economy. Then the transition would be seem less, profit would be meaningless, and society could function stably.

[Benuty]

I must say, if you're a rich guy that owns a metric shit amount of land and you aren't doing anything with it, the government should have the right to redistribute it.

That punishes you for owning land. That takes away the right to do what you want with your stuff.

They said the same thing about people who wanted to abolish slavery since slaves were viewed as "someones stuff".

[Jetan]

If God is almighty and good at the same time, why are bad things here?

Answer: sin.

If you say freewill, I ask you, and why has God created the bad things?

Answer: sin.

If you say Satan, I will say, if he's almighty, why can't He beat him?

Answer: God can defeat Satan at any time with the snap of a finger. However, God is patient and does things according to a plan he has set in motion and will not ignore: God hasn't beaten Him yet because it is not yet Satan's time to be beaten.

If you say that humans were corrupted by Eva through sin, I would say, and why God has created us with a chance of corruption?

Answer: There is no chance of corruption or total righteousness: humans are sinful and corrupt by nature as a result of sin.

So, God can't be almighty and good at the same time.

Answer: Not so. As you are not God, you cannot dictate whether or not God is almighty and good at the same time. To be almighty is to be good. God freely judges and condemns evil and evil people; because he is a good, holy, and almighty God. Further, did you quote this from some other source?

Can he end suffering but chooses not to? Then he is not good. Does he wish to end suffering but cannot? Then he is not almighty.