A True Communist Society

[Vietdien]

What is your vision of a true communist society? Is it the classless, stateless, propertyless egalitarian society described by Marx and Engels? Or is it a dystopia of corruption and oppression?

[South Lorenya]

I view it the same way I view a Penrose triangle -- impossible to make.

[Neu Leonstein]

Have you ever sat in on a meeting of a student group of some sort, where a couple of people were keen and had an agenda to push through, while the others were there for less pressing reasons? And then those two proceed to try to convince the others of the best way of going, start making the whole thing personal and in the end the majority of people vote for the better-looking one of them (rather than their proposal)? And meanwhile, the smart kid with the good idea never got a word in?

I imagine true communism kinda like that.

[Sel Appa]

An anarchist society without government where everyone produces what they can and takes what they need. It has been done on a small scale successfully, but is very hard to do large-scale.

Anything else is a form of socialism or capitalism.

[Lacadaemon]

Have you ever sat in on a meeting of a student group of some sort, where a couple of people were keen and had an agenda to push through, while the others were there for less pressing reasons? And then those two proceed to try to convince the others of the best way of going, start making the whole thing personal and in the end the majority of people vote for the better-looking one of them (rather than their proposal)? And meanwhile, the smart kid with the good idea never got a word in?

I imagine true communism kinda like that.

So... western liberal democracy then. I mean, I think you have pretty much described all societies everywhere at all times. Not really communism per se.

Of course, in my version of communism (the only one that works, let's call it Marxist-Lacadaemonism) we will have tiny super intelligent robots to do all the work for us. That way there will be no need for money, or effort, and we can spend all our time drinking, fucking and fighting. This will of course upset today's communists, because it lacks the requisite misery which Kant says we should all have.

[Sibirsky]

Have you ever sat in on a meeting of a student group of some sort, where a couple of people were keen and had an agenda to push through, while the others were there for less pressing reasons? And then those two proceed to try to convince the others of the best way of going, start making the whole thing personal and in the end the majority of people vote for the better-looking one of them (rather than their proposal)? And meanwhile, the smart kid with the good idea never got a word in?

I imagine true communism kinda like that.

Ahahaha

[Sibirsky]

An anarchist society without government where everyone produces what they can and takes what they need. It has been done on a small scale successfully, but is very hard to do large-scale.

Anything else is a form of socialism or capitalism.

Very hard? It's impossible. Let me be fucking blunt. I can't make shit, and I need everything. Hand it over.

[United Marktoria]

Communsim is a great theory.
But it would never work. because man is naturaly greedy.

[Grave_n_idle]

An anarchist society without government where everyone produces what they can and takes what they need. It has been done on a small scale successfully, but is very hard to do large-scale.

Anything else is a form of socialism or capitalism.

Very hard? It's impossible. Let me be fucking blunt. I can't make shit, and I need everything. Hand it over.

You'll be first to the re-education camps, comrade.

Or - in other words - there's a difference between what you 'want' and what you 'need'.

[Grave_n_idle]

Communsim is a great theory.
But it would never work. because man is naturaly greedy.

Man is also naturally altruistic.

[United Marktoria]

Communsim is a great theory.
But it would never work. because man is naturaly greedy.

Man is also naturally altruistic.

It takes one bad person to screw it up for everyone.

[Grave_n_idle]

Communsim is a great theory.
But it would never work. because man is naturaly greedy.

Man is also naturally altruistic.

It takes one bad person to screw it up for everyone.

And one good person to make it better?

[United Marktoria]

Communsim is a great theory.
But it would never work. because man is naturaly greedy.

Man is also naturally altruistic.

It takes one bad person to screw it up for everyone.

And one good person to make it better?

I don't think it works both ways...

[Melkor Unchained]

Communsim is a great theory.
But it would never work. because man is naturaly greedy.

Man is also naturally altruistic.

Wait, what? I iz skeptical.

[The Parkus Empire]

Same way I view Plato's idea of a "Republic": A hopeless fantasy.

I still think there are element of communism that can work in our society, I just don't see the system working as whole. It requires the abolition of greed, and I am a very greedy man.


That is more of an incentive to me than:

[Grave_n_idle]

Communsim is a great theory.
But it would never work. because man is naturaly greedy.

Man is also naturally altruistic.

Wait, what? I iz skeptical.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/

[The Parkus Empire]

Wait, what? I iz skeptical.

Many species are. It's not like a conscience was purely a development of what's cool, socially.

[Blitzkrenia]

Communsim is a great theory.
But it would never work. because man is naturaly greedy.

Man is also naturally altruistic.

Wait, what? I iz skeptical.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/

It goes both ways, but there are bound to be people who are less altruistic.

[Uawc]

An anarchist society without government where everyone produces what they can and takes what they need. It has been done on a small scale successfully, but is very hard to do large-scale.

Anything else is a form of socialism or capitalism.

This.

A stateless, classless, egalitarian and democratic society free from capitalism and oppression.

[Folk Metals]

Have you ever sat in on a meeting of a student group of some sort, where a couple of people were keen and had an agenda to push through, while the others were there for less pressing reasons? And then those two proceed to try to convince the others of the best way of going, start making the whole thing personal and in the end the majority of people vote for the better-looking one of them (rather than their proposal)? And meanwhile, the smart kid with the good idea never got a word in?

I imagine true communism kinda like that.

So... western liberal democracy then. I mean, I think you have pretty much described all societies everywhere at all times. Not really communism per se.

Western democracy? Where? I see a mainly socialist country(Canada) on top of a Democratic Republic known as the states.
Pshaw at you. We have no true called democracy here!

Of course, in my version of communism (the only one that works, let's call it Marxist-Lacadaemonism) we will have tiny super intelligent robots to do all the work for us. That way there will be no need for money, or effort, and we can spend all our time drinking, fucking and fighting. This will of course upset today's communists, because it lacks the requisite misery which Kant says we should all have.

I couldn't agree more with this though. That indeed is the only way it can work.

[Bonnaful]

Make the rich more rich and the poor more poor

[Uawc]

Communsim is a great theory.
But it would never work. because man is naturaly greedy.

Man is also naturally altruistic.

It takes one bad person to screw it up for everyone.

And one good person to make it better?

I don't think it works both ways...

Homophobe.

[Uawc]

Western democracy? Where? I see a mainly socialist country(Canada) on top of a Democratic Republic known as the states.

Canada is not socialist. The only partly socialist things about Canada are health care and the shitty, shitty education system.

[Arumdaum]

Make the rich more rich and the poor more poor

Isn't that capitalism?

[Folk Metals]

Western democracy? Where? I see a mainly socialist country(Canada) on top of a Democratic Republic known as the states.

Canada is not socialist. The only partly socialist things about Canada are health care and the shitty, shitty education system.

Bolded above for you to revise. "Mainly". Did I ever say all?

Anyway...this isn't about Canada.