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Postby Zaldakki » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:28 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Rephesus wrote:The only major complaint I have is the letter W. As in "Double-U/Double Yew". The fact is the naming of "w" was a complete cop out (like in French it's double-v). I believe "W" deserves its own name. Like "Weh" or "Wuh" or even "Ewe"

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Postby Anglo-California » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:48 pm

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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Do you think Portuguese sounds anything like Spanish?

Of course I do. And it's related to aesthetics.


Well it sounds kinda like sexy deaf Spanish, so there's that...


When Brazilians speak English, their accent makes them sound Russian.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:51 pm

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Rephesus wrote:Well it sounds kinda like sexy deaf Spanish, so there's that...

When Brazilians speak English, their accent makes them sound Russian.

A few t.A.t.U. songs sound like Portuguese-based gibberish to me.
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Postby Zaldakki » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:51 pm

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Rephesus wrote:
Well it sounds kinda like sexy deaf Spanish, so there's that...


When Brazilians speak English, their accent makes them sound Russian.

My Catholic school has a new priest from Brazil. I first heard him on the intercom during morning prayer before I saw him, and I thought he was African.

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Postby Othelos » Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:06 pm

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Well too Dutch at least.

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Postby Katganistan » Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:49 pm

If students fresh from China can speak, write and read English fluently in three to five years -- and their spoken and written language is completely different -- then I see no reason to 'reform' spelling.

Esperanto was supposed to be the answer -- an international artificially constructed language everyone was going to learn. While perhaps as many as 2,000,000 people worldwide speak it, it hasn't become the lingua franca it was supposed to be since its creation in 1887.

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Postby Greater Beggnig » Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:05 pm

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I reconize þatt Inglish duz not haff a veri good sistem of spelling. þus, it iz nessesseri for þe langwej þatt iz becoming þe global 'linguwa franka' too haff a spelling sistem þatt iz standardized and can be understood bi boþ natiff speekerz and þoze neu too þe langwej. Like et or nott, Inglish iz a Jermannic langwej, and such, when spelt foneticali et looks like wun. I am compleetli shur þatt þoze reeding þis can still understand what I am saeing, regardless of þe neu sistem.


Done with some my proposed changes. If I made any mistakes or inconsistencies please correct me.


Any particular reason for the double t's? Or are they merely asthetic?
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Postby Vladislavija » Sun Nov 09, 2014 7:23 pm

Katganistan wrote:If students fresh from China can speak, write and read English fluently in three to five years -- and their spoken and written language is completely different -- then I see no reason to 'reform' spelling.


No no no no no, what they are speaking is not called fluent english.

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Postby Minarchist States » Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:36 pm

Greater Beggnig wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
I reconize þatt Inglish duz not haff a veri good sistem of spelling. þus, it iz nessesseri for þe langwej þatt iz becoming þe global 'linguwa franka' too haff a spelling sistem þatt iz standardized and can be understood bi boþ natiff speekerz and þoze neu too þe langwej. Like et or nott, Inglish iz a Jermannic langwej, and such, when spelt foneticali et looks like wun. I am compleetli shur þatt þoze reeding þis can still understand what I am saeing, regardless of þe neu sistem.


Done with some my proposed changes. If I made any mistakes or inconsistencies please correct me.


Any particular reason for the double t's? Or are they merely asthetic?


Consistency. Whereas one consonant between vowels assumes that the first vowel will become long, two consonants will establish that the vowel is short.

Take the word "Jermannic." If there were only one n, then the word would look like "Jermanic" or Jer manic (like mania).
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Postby Forsher » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:08 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
Greater Beggnig wrote:
Any particular reason for the double t's? Or are they merely asthetic?


Consistency. Whereas one consonant between vowels assumes that the first vowel will become long, two consonants will establish that the vowel is short.

Take the word "Jermannic." If there were only one n, then the word would look like "Jermanic" or Jer manic (like mania).


I'm not sure about you but I say it as Ger-man-ic. Not, Ger- man- nic. In hindsight I don't think this was your point.
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Postby Katganistan » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:13 pm

Vladislavija wrote:
Katganistan wrote:If students fresh from China can speak, write and read English fluently in three to five years -- and their spoken and written language is completely different -- then I see no reason to 'reform' spelling.


No no no no no, what they are speaking is not called fluent english.



Excuse you, when they get 90s on the Comprehensive English Regents exam and can speak more easily and correctly than native speakers, that is called fluent English.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:49 pm

Katganistan wrote:If students fresh from China can speak, write and read English fluently in three to five years -- and their spoken and written language is completely different -- then I see no reason to 'reform' spelling.

You mean HetRio 'fluent'? Well...
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:50 pm

Katganistan wrote:Excuse you, when they get 90s on the Comprehensive English Regents exam and can speak more easily and correctly than native speakers, that is called fluent English.

Anybody could really have a more standard Portuguese than average Brazilians, this is no excuse. :P
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:50 pm

Forsher wrote:
Minarchist States wrote:
Consistency. Whereas one consonant between vowels assumes that the first vowel will become long, two consonants will establish that the vowel is short.

Take the word "Jermannic." If there were only one n, then the word would look like "Jermanic" or Jer manic (like mania).


I'm not sure about you but I say it as Ger-man-ic. Not, Ger- man- nic. In hindsight I don't think this was your point.


What do you mean? The extra "n" is more or less a clue that you should be pronouncing it without a long a sound.
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Postby Greater Beggnig » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:54 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
Greater Beggnig wrote:
Any particular reason for the double t's? Or are they merely asthetic?


Consistency. Whereas one consonant between vowels assumes that the first vowel will become long, two consonants will establish that the vowel is short.

Take the word "Jermannic." If there were only one n, then the word would look like "Jermanic" or Jer manic (like mania).


We're nearly there. Why no v's?
I for one, do not pronounce v as ff.
Is ff a new digraph for v?
And wouldn't shur need to be spelt shurr?
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Postby Vladislavija » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:04 am

Katganistan wrote:
Vladislavija wrote:
No no no no no, what they are speaking is not called fluent english.



Excuse you, when they get 90s on the Comprehensive English Regents exam and can speak more easily and correctly than native speakers, that is called fluent English.


Are we talking here about chinese born chinese who studied in china for that test?

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Postby Rephesus » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:10 am

Zaldakki wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:
When Brazilians speak English, their accent makes them sound Russian.

My Catholic school has a new priest from Brazil. I first heard him on the intercom during morning prayer before I saw him, and I thought he was African.

Well considering that Brazil has the largest number of Catholics in the world, the second largest number of people of African descent (After Nigeria), and the largest number of Afro-Catholics, it's pretty likely that he's a Brazilian of African descent that is a Catholic Priest.

Not that that's like, relevant or anything.

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Postby Zaldakki » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:14 am

Forsher wrote:
Minarchist States wrote:
Consistency. Whereas one consonant between vowels assumes that the first vowel will become long, two consonants will establish that the vowel is short.

Take the word "Jermannic." If there were only one n, then the word would look like "Jermanic" or Jer manic (like mania).


I'm not sure about you but I say it as Ger-man-ic. Not, Ger- man- nic. In hindsight I don't think this was your point.

I think he's doing it to make short vowels, not geminate consonants.

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Postby Consortium of the Caigont » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:26 am

Aj pɹəfɝ vɪs əʊvɝ və pɹɛznt sɪstm, bɐt, æz juw kæn sij, aj pɹifɝ vij aj pʰi ɛɪ əʊvɝ ɛni ɑ̈ɫtɝnətɪv.
(I prefer this over the present system, but, as you can see, I prefer the IPA over any alternative.)
Zaldakki wrote:
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I'm not sure about you but I say it as Ger-man-ic. Not, Ger- man- nic. In hindsight I don't think this was your point.

I think he's doing it to make short vowels, not geminate consonants.

English only has geminates across word boundaries, like "bag gate".
And personally, anyone who doubles the consonant to shorten a preceding vowel is too lazy to put a macron over their vowels.

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Postby Zaldakki » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:36 am

Consortium of the Caigont wrote:Aj pɹəfɝ vɪs əʊvɝ və pɹɛznt sɪstm, bɐt, æz juw kæn sij, aj pɹifɝ vij aj pʰi ɛɪ əʊvɝ ɛni ɑ̈ɫtɝnətɪv.
(I prefer this over the present system, but, as you can see, I prefer the IPA over any alternative.)

Is English not your native language? How come you pronounce the as instead of ðə?

Consortium of the Caigont wrote:
Zaldakki wrote:I think he's doing it to make short vowels, not geminate consonants.

English only has geminates across word boundaries, like "bag gate".
And personally, anyone who doubles the consonant to shorten a preceding vowel is too lazy to put a macron over their vowels.

There are some English words with geminate consonants. For example, cattail and solely.
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What is this? 1984?
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Nervium wrote:What is this? 1984?


Now you're just being parabolic.
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Postby Nervium » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:43 am

Immoren wrote:
Nervium wrote:What is this? 1984?


Now you're just being parabolic.


I'm sorry, am I being detained?


You also very likely mean hyperbolic. Newspeaker.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:44 am

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Immoren wrote:
Now you're just being parabolic.


I'm sorry, am I being detained?


You also very likely mean hyperbolic. Newspeaker.


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Postby Region Explorer » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:56 am

Immoren wrote:
Nervium wrote:
I'm sorry, am I being detained?


You also very likely mean hyperbolic. Newspeaker.


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You mean ðat man....

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