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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:54 pm

Anglo-California wrote:Non-English keyboards are generally different.

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Postby Anglo-California » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:55 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:Get your paws off of my language, you damn, dirty apes!

Nô. Portjuguíz doominêxen wàrld-waid! Yú wil ijventjuòlie bí annècxt tju às, rejzistaens is fütil. :twisted:


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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:55 pm

Anglo-California wrote:The only official reform of the English language I'd half-heartedly support would be the purging of all words of Latin and French origin and using just words of Celtic or Germanic origin.

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Postby Zaldakki » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:56 pm

Anglo-California wrote:The only official reform of the English language I'd half-heartedly support would be the purging of all words of Latin and French origin and using just words of Celtic or Germanic origin.

Emphasis on the "half-heartedly".

Like this?

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Postby Anglo-California » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:58 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:The only official reform of the English language I'd half-heartedly support would be the purging of all words of Latin and French origin and using just words of Celtic or Germanic origin.

!- !- (tsc tsc)


It would be quite splendid, you know, to be speaking Anglisc.

Fæder ūre þū þe eart on heofonum...
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Postby Anglo-California » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:58 pm

Zaldakki wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:The only official reform of the English language I'd half-heartedly support would be the purging of all words of Latin and French origin and using just words of Celtic or Germanic origin.

Emphasis on the "half-heartedly".

Like this?


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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:59 pm

Vyvland wrote:If we have to bring some consistency, let's just keep the general principles of English orthography as-is and iron out the inconsistencies. With just a couple more rules to remember (e.g. voiced fricatives between vowel letters, long vowel in open syllable), none of which are really new, this can easily be pronounced and most words end up looking the same as now. The only problem I'm having is distinguishing word-initial /ð/ from /θ/, which is only really a problem if you still use the word 'thy'.

I recognize that Inglish dus not hav a verry good sistem ov spelling. Thus, it is neceserry for the langwidge that is becumming the global 'lingua franca' tu hav a spelling sistem that is standardized and can be understood by bowth nativ speakers and those new tu the langwidge. Like it or not, Inglish is a Jermannik langwidge, and such, when spelt phoneticli it looks like won. I am completely shore (or shure) that those reading this can still understand what I am saying, regardless ov the new sistem.


My problem with the OP is it is completely throwing out the original rules of Anglo-Saxon English and making the language a bit more clunky. We know that an "e" on the end of a word such as "take" makes the a long, so why eliminate that in favor for expediency while making the language more clunky?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:59 pm

Anglo-California wrote:It would be quite splendid, you know, to be speaking Anglisc.

Fæder ūre þū þe eart on heofonum...

I'd rather decide whether Tupi or not Tupi.
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Postby Anglo-California » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:01 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:It would be quite splendid, you know, to be speaking Anglisc.

Fæder ūre þū þe eart on heofonum...

I'd rather decide whether Tupi or not Tupi.


:lol:

What I wrote was the opening line of the Lord's Prayer. "Our Father, who art in heaven..."
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:04 pm

I'd rather mix modern Norman dialect and the Latinate of English. :p
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Postby Anglo-California » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:07 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I'd rather mix modern Norman dialect and the Latinate of English. :p


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Postby Immoren » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:08 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Immoren wrote:
So?
English in the new world is closer to Shakespeares English, because for long it was on periphery of English speaking world. :p


We still use the word "faucet".

Therefore, American English is the truer English.

I'm gonna say that in front of Westminister while wearing an "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" t-shirt and see what happens to me.


Basically in "centre" (either literal sense or culturally) of where some language is spoken is change/"modernization" of language fastest, and farther you move to periphery slower the change. Or at least so do I remember. :p
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Postby Anglo-California » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:12 pm

Immoren wrote:
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We still use the word "faucet".

Therefore, American English is the truer English.

I'm gonna say that in front of Westminister while wearing an "AMERICA FUCK YEAH" t-shirt and see what happens to me.


Basically in "centre" (either literal sense or culturally) of where some language is spoken is change/"modernization" of language fastest, and farther you move to periphery slower the change. Or at least so do I remember. :p


Also, British English underwent a partially intentional shift in the early 19th century, with the advent of Received Pronunciation. Before that, it is speculated that Englishmen had a bit of a twang, and a vaguely similar accent to the one of rural New England and the coastal American South
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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:13 pm

I think this RationalWiki article does a fairly good job of outlining why the reforms suggested by the OP are a bad idea: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/English_spelling_reform
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Postby Forsher » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:18 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Forsher wrote:Yes, which illustrates the exact issue with phonetic reforms (as the majority are) doesn't it?

Portuguese and Spanish both have about just as much dialectal variation as English and we do it fine in our far more phonemic orthographies. :unsure:


It's not an accurate comparison. Those are two languages whose orthographies have evolved over time quite naturally and with the dialects themselves (i.e. like how English is now). What is being discussed here is taking current pronunciations and creating an orthography from them. Looking at the one in the OP, it's entirely derived from how people pronounce stuff.

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Immoren wrote:You can always add them under button combo, like some Nordic letters in Nordic alphabet keyboards. :p

I think he doesn't know how people who speak languages that have accent marks or huge alphabets use the PC.


I'm only familiar with how English keyboards look. Thus, when I need to use other types of letters I have to use alt key combinations. However, what matters is whether or not it is easier to be able to just use plain keys by themselves versus any sort of combination. Provided the keyboard is of a reasonable size, the former's going to win every time. For instance, lower case is more convenient than capitalising.

Immoren wrote:So?
English in the new world is closer to Shakespeares English, because for long it was on periphery of English speaking world. :p


That's a common myth. Regardless of where you are the language evolves. In the case of the New World, I daresay it has changed more due to more exposure to second-language speakers.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:18 pm

Anglo-California wrote:Also, British English underwent a partially intentional shift in the early 19th century, with the advent of Received Pronunciation. Before that, it is speculated that Englishmen had a bit of a twang, and a vaguely similar accent to the one of rural New England and the coastal American South

European Portuguese also had plenty of partially intentional shifts.

The phonological ones were in the directions I wouldn't support to the most part. >_>
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:20 pm

Wikipedia and Universe wrote:I think this RationalWiki article does a fairly good job of outlining why the reforms suggested by the OP are a bad idea: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/English_spelling_reform


I am not sure about the OP, but my reform ideas aren't phonetic based, it merely simplifies it. And why does it suggest that, anyway?
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Postby Zaldakki » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:21 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Anglo-California wrote:Also, British English underwent a partially intentional shift in the early 19th century, with the advent of Received Pronunciation. Before that, it is speculated that Englishmen had a bit of a twang, and a vaguely similar accent to the one of rural New England and the coastal American South

European Portuguese also had plenty of partially intentional shifts.

The phonological ones were in the directions I wouldn't support to the most part. >_>

:eyebrow: You have an ideology about phonological shifts?

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Postby Phocidaea » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:21 pm

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Postby Insaeldor » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:23 pm

I wouldn't mind a slight reform in spelling but what you've just proposed is easily the worst idea when it comes to the English language.
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Postby Rephesus » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:23 pm

The only major complaint I have is the letter W. As in "Double-U/Double Yew". The fact is the naming of "w" was a complete cop out (like in French it's double-v). I believe "W" deserves its own name. Like "Weh" or "Wuh" or even "Ewe"

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:24 pm

Phocidaea wrote:Esz ály szed, zö trú szölüsin isz tú vrájt ákardiny tú zö pörfekt Höngerijin arszagrifí.

Méjksz mar szensz zen mószt konszaptsz pöt farsz hir.

*insert Norman for yes*
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:24 pm

Rephesus wrote:The only major complaint I have is the letter W. As in "Double-U/Double Yew". The fact is the naming of "w" was a complete cop out (like in French it's double-v). I believe "W" deserves its own name. Like "Weh" or "Wuh" or even "Ewe"

Dáblio. *nods*
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:25 pm

Zaldakki wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:European Portuguese also had plenty of partially intentional shifts.

The phonological ones were in the directions I wouldn't support to the most part. >_>

:eyebrow: You have an ideology about phonological shifts?

Do you think Portuguese sounds anything like Spanish?

Of course I do. And it's related to aesthetics.
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Postby Rephesus » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:27 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Zaldakki wrote: :eyebrow: You have an ideology about phonological shifts?

Do you think Portuguese sounds anything like Spanish?

Of course I do. And it's related to aesthetics.


Well it sounds kinda like sexy deaf Spanish, so there's that...

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