Ingglish speling reform?

[Zaldakki]

Quoi?

Mais si ->Maissi-> corn/maize in Finnish.

Id support this. If only to make it easier on my son who is only now learning to spell the words he uses so often.

You a good daddy!

[Page]

The evolution of language happens organically. Does English look anything like what it did 1000 years ago? Nope. You can't force spelling reform, it'll simply happen.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

It reminds me of my dog throwing up, that's what it reminds me of.

Sounds like you're deliberately exaggerating just because you have it in for Russian. At least I could back up my claims about French.

That according to you it sounds bad. That's what Russian does to me.

[Gallifrey Secundaria]

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[Salus Maior]

*sigh*....So what if a language is difficult to learn? Deal with it.

[Stormaen]

Those passages luck ugly and cumbersome.

I propose instead, we move back to pronouncing English the way it's spelt. "Right" becomes "reekt", etc. Silent 'e', however, as in words like... "like"... would stay silent. Geoffrey Chaucer's generation was amongst the last to pronounce the final 'e'.

As a side note, I support doing what German and Icelandic do: inventing terms for foreign words to keep the language 'pure'. Such as German's "Fernsehen" for "television". I realise one of English's strengths is its assimilation of other languages but still...

[Conscentia]

Sounds like you're deliberately exaggerating just because you have it in for Russian. At least I could back up my claims about French.

That according to you it sounds bad. That's what Russian does to me.

Not exactly.
What I actually said was that French sounds disgusting. I have evidence from a French speaker that French use of vowels do indeed often sound as though they express disgust, and to my that renders it very unappealing and in-fact, literally disgusting.
Russian phonology is so different from French phonology that I find it unlikely that you are able to make the same argument.

[Conscentia]

The evolution of language happens organically. Does English look anything like what it did 1000 years ago? Nope. You can't force spelling reform, it'll simply happen.

Russia disagrees.

[Salus Maior]

The evolution of language happens organically. Does English look anything like what it did 1000 years ago? Nope. You can't force spelling reform, it'll simply happen.

Russia disagrees.

Since when have English-speaking countries cared what Russia thinks?

[Guerrilla Grrrl]

Why not get rid of 'k' and only use 'c' to represent the "hard c" sound? 'K' and 'x' are the ugliest letters of the alphabet. It would also help retain a distinctly "English" feel to the language ('c' was already common in Old English, often used in a lot of places where 'k' is used today; e.g. cyning or 'king').

That is true, however (I edited my post a bit) we could also use the extra letters to represent sounds like "th" "Sh" and "ch".

That could also work; though again, 'k' could replace 'ch' just as well as 'c' could. A comparison of, say, English, German, French and Irish Gaelic spelling shows just how arbitrary the asignation of phoneme to letter/digraph can be.

[Distruzio]

*sigh*....So what if a language is difficult to learn? Deal with it.

Seeing the frustration in a childs face as they attempt to spell a word that sounds lime it should be spelled one way (i.e. laftur instead of laughter) becomes quite despairing. Especially when teachers enforce phonetic spelling in kindergarten and first grades but later change their teaching presentations. My son knows how to spell laughter but finds that other words with "ugh" are confusing. "Haughty", "aught", and "drought" being examples. Hes right. Some of our words just dont make sense.

Queen should be kween.

Cold shoukd be kold.

School should be "boring", etc etc.

[Zaldakki]

Russian and French are both sexy! I have entire tropes to back me up.

[Southwest-Africa]

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Ai rekognais that Inglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speliny. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwej that iz biecominy thie global 'lingwa franka' too hav a speliny sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwej. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez riediny this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Version 1.1:

Ai rekognais that Ingglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speling. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwij that iz biecoming thie global 'linggwa franka' too hav a speling sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwij. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez rieding this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Changed "ny" digraph to "ng", and added a "g" after the "ng" where a hard "g" follows a "ng".

In my opinion, spelling reform of English is necessary because of its burgeoning status as a global lingua franca, a role it is not suitable for, since its spelling makes no sense.
What I have attempted to do with this proposal is to keep it contained to a normal 'qwerty' keyboard, and make it standardised, while also making sure it can be read by native English speakers. My inspiration for this proposal came from Dutch spelling, and the old reform proposal "Soundspel".

For those of you who maybe didn't understand why I used "ny" instead of "ng", it was because of the word "English" which has the "n" and "g" sounds right after each other, meaning that writing that sound as "ng" would cause a problem.

What do you think, NSG?
Does English need spelling reform?
If it does, is my proposal a good idea?
Do you have a better proposal for English spelling reform?

I think that's an interesting idea. Looks like Dutch spelling.

[Salus Maior]

*sigh*....So what if a language is difficult to learn? Deal with it.

Seeing the frustration in a childs face as they attempt to spell a word that sounds lime it should be spelled one way (i.e. laftur instead of laughter) becomes quite despairing. Especially when teachers enforce phonetic spelling in kindergarten and first grades but later change their teaching presentations. My son knows how to spell laughter but finds that other words with "ugh" are confusing. "Haughty", "aught", and "drought" being examples. Hes right. Some of our words just dont make sense.

Queen should be kween.

Cold shoukd be kold.

School should be "boring", etc etc.

Assuming your child is being raised in an English environment, it won't take long for him to get the hang of it. I did, you did, entire countries have done it for the past few centuries.

I'm not saying English is the best or easiest language in the world to learn, but it's impractical and unfair to the majority to change it just because a minority lag behind in learning it.

And besides, those "k" spellings you mentioned are incredibly ugly.

[Zaldakki]

And besides, those "k" spellings you mentioned are incredibly ugly.

Cold shoukd be kold.

"Shoukd"

[The Orson Empire]

The evolution of language happens organically. Does English look anything like what it did 1000 years ago? Nope. You can't force spelling reform, it'll simply happen.

Agreed. You can try to "reform" the English language all you want, but that does not mean that everyone is going to follow your reforms.

[Salus Maior]

Version 1.0:

Ai rekognais that Inglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speliny. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwej that iz biecominy thie global 'lingwa franka' too hav a speliny sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwej. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez riediny this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Version 1.1:

Ai rekognais that Ingglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speling. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwij that iz biecoming thie global 'linggwa franka' too hav a speling sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwij. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez rieding this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Changed "ny" digraph to "ng", and added a "g" after the "ng" where a hard "g" follows a "ng".

You claim that this would make English easier, yet you make a 1 letter word: "I", into two letters for no apparent reason.

[Skeckoa]

Agreed. You can try to "reform" the English language all you want, but that does not mean that everyone is going to follow your reforms.

Other languages have pulled it off. If it is adopted in schools it could. If it is done over time it could.

[Zaldakki]

Version 1.0:

Ai rekognais that Inglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speliny. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwej that iz biecominy thie global 'lingwa franka' too hav a speliny sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwej. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez riediny this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Version 1.1:

Ai rekognais that Ingglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speling. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwij that iz biecoming thie global 'linggwa franka' too hav a speling sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwij. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez rieding this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Changed "ny" digraph to "ng", and added a "g" after the "ng" where a hard "g" follows a "ng".

You claim that this would make English easier, yet you make a 1 letter word: "I", into two letters for no apparent reason.

Cause it's a diphthong.

[Immoren]

The evolution of language happens organically. Does English look anything like what it did 1000 years ago? Nope. You can't force spelling reform, it'll simply happen.

Agreed. You can try to "reform" the English language all you want, but that does not mean that everyone is going to follow your reforms.

I believe you might be conflating "language" with "how language is spelled/written".

[Salus Maior]

Agreed. You can try to "reform" the English language all you want, but that does not mean that everyone is going to follow your reforms.

Other languages have pulled it off. If it is adopted in schools it could. If it is done over time it could.

Depends on what countries adopts it and which ones don't. There are more than one English speaking countries out there, you know.

And besides, "Could" doesn't mean we should.

[Immoren]

Other languages have pulled it off. If it is adopted in schools it could. If it is done over time it could.

Depends on what countries adopts it and which ones don't. There are more than one English speaking countries out there, you know.

And besides, "Could" doesn't mean we should.

Perhaps that would speed up speciation of English language.
Perhaps not.

[Salus Maior]

You claim that this would make English easier, yet you make a 1 letter word: "I", into two letters for no apparent reason.

Cause it's a diphthong.

Yet the sound is already contained in one letter of the alphabet: "I".

[Conscentia]

Version 1.0:

Ai rekognais that Inglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speliny. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwej that iz biecominy thie global 'lingwa franka' too hav a speliny sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwej. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez riediny this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Version 1.1:

Ai rekognais that Ingglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speling. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwij that iz biecoming thie global 'linggwa franka' too hav a speling sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwij. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez rieding this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Changed "ny" digraph to "ng", and added a "g" after the "ng" where a hard "g" follows a "ng".

You claim that this would make English easier, yet you make a 1 letter word: "I", into two letters for no apparent reason.

The word "I" is pronounced as two vowels in most dialects, though English speakers often don't notice.
IPA: /aɪ/
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/I#English

[Kommeria]

I have an idea, pay attention in school so you learn how to spell and pronounce the damn words.