Ingglish speling reform?

[Bandwagon]

I' luks loike it waaz rihen boi sumbody frum some estay in Duublin.
(That's how the "under-class" or "skangers" or "knackers" in Dublin speak)
Basically they are like Chavs or what I think Australians call "Bogans".

[Herrebrugh]

If the English spelling has to be "based on our's" (supposedly), at least include the damn "oe".

[Trevor Phillip Enterprises]

Half if my country speaks like that without the reform taking place... Its kind of depressing when you think about that....

[Thama]

Version 1.0:

Ai rekognais that Inglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speliny. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwej that iz biecominy thie global 'lingwa franka' too hav a speliny sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwej. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez riediny this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Version 1.1:

Ai rekognais that Ingglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speling. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwij that iz biecoming thie global 'linggwa franka' too hav a speling sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwij. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez rieding this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Changed "ny" digraph to "ng", and added a "g" after the "ng" where a hard "g" follows a "ng".

In my opinion, spelling reform of English is necessary because of its burgeoning status as a global lingua franca, a role it is not suitable for, since its spelling makes no sense.
What I have attempted to do with this proposal is to keep it contained to a normal 'qwerty' keyboard, and make it standardised, while also making sure it can be read by native English speakers. My inspiration for this proposal came from Dutch spelling, and the old reform proposal "Soundspel".

For those of you who maybe didn't understand why I used "ny" instead of "ng", it was because of the word "English" which has the "n" and "g" sounds right after each other, meaning that writing that sound as "ng" would cause a problem.

What do you think, NSG?
Does English need spelling reform?
If it does, is my proposal a good idea?
Do you have a better proposal for English spelling reform?

Not phonetically please!
Reform sure, but do not do this. Also, something smells like Newspeak. Just saying.

English could use being spelled more akin to German, but Dutch does not into English. Dutch is just... No.

[Herrebrugh]

-knip-

Not phonetically please!
Reform sure, but do not do this. Also, something smells like Newspeak. Just saying.

English could use being spelled more akin to German, but Dutch does not into English. Dutch is just... No.

Inglisj dassent loek verrie wel wif(wie doont hef jor stoepid "th"-sound) Nedderlends spelling, Ai egrie./Van Gaaliaans

Nederlands op zichzelf ziet er echter stukken beter uit dan gewoon Engels, als je het mij vraagt; maar het lijkt mij hoe dan ook beter als jullie Engelssprekenden gewoon zelf een systeem bedenken, in plaats van hem van een andere taal te pikken. Of jullie houden de oude gewoon... Ja, dat is waarschijnlijk nog de beste optie, maar dan wel met de Nederlandse "oe"

[Jute]

A few things,

I'd bring back the thorn (þ). Th is unique to the English language, yet it doesn't need to be a diagraph.
Latin and French words, should they be in the English language, should be spelled as it would be pronounced in English. So "Connection" would become "Konnexun" or something similar.

I see no problem with resurrecting Eth and Thorn, though the keyboards will have to be changed.
English words aren't even spelled as they're pronounced, so why ruin the spellings of Latinate words?

They don't. I actually have it on my keyboard right now and it's a standard laptop keyboard. Alt Gr + p
Also, the þ is used in Islandic already (and they're actually proud using such a "unique" letter.)

[AiliailiA]

Atempts at speling reform usually fail. Even when they succeed (like most American spellings) they still cause discord a century later.

But new words, in the form of slang and jargon, prosper and enter the language just as first written.

New words, not new spelings of an existing word, are your opportunity to change the language.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

This reminded me of Ingles Sin Barreras.

"Hi! My name is Peter. How are you today?"
- Jai. Mai neim is Piter. Jau ar llu tudei?

[Jute]

This reminded me of Ingles Sin Barreras.

"Hi! My name is Peter. How are you today?"
- Jai. Mai neim is Piter. Jau ar llu tudei?

Oh, that kind of thing is helpful when learning a new language.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

This reminded me of Ingles Sin Barreras.

"Hi! My name is Peter. How are you today?"
- Jai. Mai neim is Piter. Jau ar llu tudei?

Oh, that kind of thing is helpful when learning a new language.

Seems similar to what I gather, the English Spelling reform aims at doing.

[Elke and Elba]

Well, English is indeed slightly screwed that ghoti can be read as fish, but it's not changeable, unfortunately.

Except no, it really, really can't. English does follow rules. There are exceptions to pronunciations that apply only because they're positioned in specific ways. Sure you get your boughs and coughs, but ghoti is never going to be said fish, goatie maybe but never fish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti

You were saying?

The rules part are understandable, but it was meant to make a point.

[Vyvland]

Also I love the measured, backed-up opinions on different languages that people on this thread seem to have.

All languages have accents, yet many of them still manage to standardize. Can we at least agree that some of the more obvious consonants should be fixed?

The poster I was replying to was referring to standardising everything into IPA. No languages use IPA as their commonplace written form (unless they've only been documented by linguists or whatever), because IPA can't really deal too well with the fact that different people pronounce different sounds differently, unless you're using so broad a transcription as to make IPA pointless for the reasons the above poster suggested (i.e. being to instantly pronounce other languages).

[SaintB]

Maybe I am biased but I don't want to have to relearn the spelling of the entire english language especially after spending so many years being told I still can't spell things right.

[Conscentia]

I see no problem with resurrecting Eth and Thorn, though the keyboards will have to be changed.
English words aren't even spelled as they're pronounced, so why ruin the spellings of Latinate words?

They don't. I actually have it on my keyboard right now and it's a standard laptop keyboard. Alt Gr + p
Also, the þ is used in Islandic already (and they're actually proud using such a "unique" letter.)

I don't have it on mine.
And I know it's used in Icelandic.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Uh no. OP sounds like they're butthurt about English not being Germanic enough.

[Jute]

They don't. I actually have it on my keyboard right now and it's a standard laptop keyboard. Alt Gr + p
Also, the þ is used in Islandic already (and they're actually proud using such a "unique" letter.)

I don't have it on mine.
And I know it's used in Icelandic.

You can get it by changing to a keyboard layout with additional letters, no need for a new keyboard. And that other part was directed at the poster who said it would be "unique".

[AiliailiA]

Uh no. OP sounds like they're butthurt about English not being Germanic enough.

"Butthurt" is an example of slang. It's probably in a dictionary by now, but until a few years ago it simply didn't exist.

And it's a badly composed new word. It's just "butt" and "hurt" put together, with no consideration of what happens when you put a "t" before an "h".

"Butt" in that sense was also slang once, and was itself poorly composed. A euphemistic contraction of "buttock" or "buttocks" as though calling an arse a buttock just isn't polite.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Uh no. OP sounds like they're butthurt about English not being Germanic enough.

"Butthurt" is an example of slang. It's probably in a dictionary by now, but until a few years ago it simply didn't exist.

And it's a badly composed new word. It's just "butt" and "hurt" put together, with no consideration of what happens when you put a "t" before an "h".

"Butt" in that sense was also slang once, and was itself poorly composed. A euphemistic contraction of "buttock" or "buttocks" as though calling an arse a buttock just isn't polite.

..and your point is?

[Shilya]

English doesn't need a spelling reform. The spelling of words is just fine.

English needs a pronounciation reform. Agree on one definite pronounciation per letter. Then apply this to all words.

[Psuedopolis]

Get your grubby hands of my beautiful language!!! No spelling reform!!!

Haven't there been threads on this subject before?

[Region Explorer]

Version 1.0:

Ai rekognais that Inglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speliny. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwej that iz biecominy thie global 'lingwa franka' too hav a speliny sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwej. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez riediny this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Version 1.1:

Ai rekognais that Ingglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speling. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwij that iz biecoming thie global 'linggwa franka' too hav a speling sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwij. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez rieding this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Changed "ny" digraph to "ng", and added a "g" after the "ng" where a hard "g" follows a "ng".

In my opinion, spelling reform of English is necessary because of its burgeoning status as a global lingua franca, a role it is not suitable for, since its spelling makes no sense.
What I have attempted to do with this proposal is to keep it contained to a normal 'qwerty' keyboard, and make it standardised, while also making sure it can be read by native English speakers. My inspiration for this proposal came from Dutch spelling, and the old reform proposal "Soundspel".

For those of you who maybe didn't understand why I used "ny" instead of "ng", it was because of the word "English" which has the "n" and "g" sounds right after each other, meaning that writing that sound as "ng" would cause a problem.

What do you think, NSG?
Does English need spelling reform?
If it does, is my proposal a good idea?
Do you have a better proposal for English spelling reform?

Please, how a word is spelt can mean either etymology or pronounciation. Here in Greece there is the same banter...

[Elke and Elba]

English doesn't need a spelling reform. The spelling of words is just fine.

English needs a pronounciation reform. Agree on one definite pronounciation per letter. Then apply this to all words.

Which is what the Turks have already done to their language.

(Not very) Sadly English is used diversely, unlike Turkish; plus we don't have someone like Ataturk that's willing to spend so much effort to get this through.

[Brillnuck]

Version 1.0:

Ai rekognais that Inglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speliny. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwej that iz biecominy thie global 'lingwa franka' too hav a speliny sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwej. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez riediny this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Version 1.1:

Ai rekognais that Ingglish dus not hav ae verie guud sistem ov speling. Thus, it iz neseserie for thu langwij that iz biecoming thie global 'linggwa franka' too hav a speling sistem that is standardeizd and kan be understuud bai boeth nativ spiekerz and thoez niu too thie langwij. Laik it or not, Inglish is ae Jermanik langwej, and such, when spelt fonetikalie it luukz leik wun. Ai am komplietelie shuur that thoez rieding this kan stil understand wot Ai am saeing, regardles of thie niu sistem.

Changed "ny" digraph to "ng", and added a "g" after the "ng" where a hard "g" follows a "ng".

In my opinion, spelling reform of English is necessary because of its burgeoning status as a global lingua franca, a role it is not suitable for, since its spelling makes no sense.
What I have attempted to do with this proposal is to keep it contained to a normal 'qwerty' keyboard, and make it standardised, while also making sure it can be read by native English speakers. My inspiration for this proposal came from Dutch spelling, and the old reform proposal "Soundspel".

For those of you who maybe didn't understand why I used "ny" instead of "ng", it was because of the word "English" which has the "n" and "g" sounds right after each other, meaning that writing that sound as "ng" would cause a problem.

What do you think, NSG?
Does English need spelling reform?
If it does, is my proposal a good idea?
Do you have a better proposal for English spelling reform?

It looks more Dutch than English.

I don't think English needs a spelling reform. There's a lot of other types of English though. (ie:British English, American English, Australian English, Indian English, etc)

[Brillnuck]

Uh no. OP sounds like they're butthurt about English not being Germanic enough.

English lost its main Germanic root when the Normans came. They introduced many French words, which contributed to Middle English, which then went onto Modern English (what we speak).
English is still a Germanic language, but it has many words from Latin languages.

And no. I don't think the OP is butthurt that English is not Germanic enough.

[Conscentia]

It looks more Dutch than English.

I don't think English needs a spelling reform. There's a lot of other types of English though. (ie:British English, American English, Australian English, Indian English, etc)

Why do people keep saying that? It doesn't look anything like Dutch.