Ingglish speling reform?

[Conscentia]

French is disgusting. Literally. Every other vowel is pronounced like an expression of disgust.

I'm honestly kind of offended by that statement....
IMO, English is much more choppy than French, so I find French a much more beautiful language. I don't think any language sounds disgusting. There are some I don't really like the sound of, but each language has interesting features that give it its unique sound.

Evidently we have proof that humans don't all perceive the same sound when the hear the same sound wave.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

Whenever I hear French, I feel like that person has a lot of mucus in the nose.

I never thought of it that way. Well said!

[Zaldakki]

Whenever I hear French, I feel like that person has a lot of mucus in the nose.

I never thought of it that way. Well said!

I agree with Conscentia here. Whenever I hear French, I feel like that person has a lot of mucus in the nose.

Whenever I hear French, I taste baguettes and crêpes.

[Conscentia]

I never thought of it that way. Well said!

Whenever I hear French, I taste baguettes and crêpes.

So far, your synaesthesia is unique to you.

[The Liberated Territories]

I am not sure about the birth rate part (do we really want more people breeding simply to promote a style of spelling?) Of course, you realize to get what you want abortion would have to be banned again.

However, I've noticed a tendency from young kids and people unfamiliar with English to use a phonetic based spelling, despite such English having a huge stigma. My idea is that if it was destandardized completely, the reforms that we want could be accomplished. Instead of teaching a whole new orthography, just teaching the basic rules of typical English originated words and allow the rest to fall into place.

Firstly, I said France-like measures. France has legal abortion. Moreso than in the UK.
Really, many European countries need to increase their birth rates anyway. They're dropping below replacement rate.

If you want completely phonetic spelling, use IPA.
Complete destandardisation would result in all sorts of dialectal splintering. I don't want phonetic spelling, I want aesthetically pleasing writing that approximates the pronunciation better than or equivalent to the status quo. The reform I posted achieves both criteria.

Thing is, I highly doubt that we need to teach a whole new spelling style to get the phonetic spelling we want, rather I think if the diagraphs are changed to match the English language, new letters such as thorn are introduced, the "uglier" letters are removed, and some umlauts (particularly old Anglo-Saxon ones) are reintroduced, we could have the best of both words without doing so much regulation that may not even be accepted by the populace.

Just look at Frisian for a good example of a phonetic spelling that looks decent enough for a Germanic language (and is very similar to English).

[Olerand]

That is just your opinion, and you are just one person...

I agree with Conscentia here. Whenever I hear French, I feel like that person has a lot of mucus in the nose.

It's a nasal language, unlike German and Russian which are more "throat" focused. They sound like they have phlegm stuck in their airways, and we have mucus.

And disappointment. Especially when a word is drawn out.

So it's depressing as well as disgusting.

Well, I think the language is beautiful. It is my maternal tongue after all, and I believe it is the most pleasant language in the world, I(according to my criteria) know it is the most pleasant of the languages that I have heard.(English, German, Spanish, Arabic, Italian, although Italian is good too, etc.)

But, speaking it, as in the language itself, feels like it drips of disgust and disappointment.

I have personally had non-native speakers misunderstand my emotions simply because the pronunciation of the word is off-putting.

I believe it is simply a reflection of the culture that created it however, as we are always ever so unsatisfied and unhappy.

English sounds more "neuter" to me. While German and Russian sound threatening.

[The Serbian Empire]

That is just your opinion, and you are just one person...

I agree with Conscentia here. Whenever I hear French, I feel like that person has a lot of mucus in the nose.

And Arabic is what happens when one has phlegm in the throat!

[Seaxeland]

No.

[The Liberated Territories]

I agree with Conscentia here. Whenever I hear French, I feel like that person has a lot of mucus in the nose.

It's a nasal language, unlike German and Russian which are more "throat" focused. They sound like they have phlegm stuck in their airways, and we have mucus.

So it's depressing as well as disgusting.

Well, I think the language is beautiful. It is my maternal tongue after all, and I believe it is the most pleasant language in the world, I(according to my criteria) know it is the most pleasant of the languages that I have heard.(English, German, Spanish, Arabic, Italian, although Italian is good too, etc.)

But, speaking it, as in the language itself, feels like it drips of disgust and disappointment.

I have personally had non-native speakers misunderstand my emotions simply because the pronunciation of the word is off-putting.

I believe it is simply a reflection of the culture that created however, as we are always ever so unsatisfied and unhappy.

English sounds more "neuter" to me. While German and Russian sound threatening.

Ever heard of throat singing? We sound like that, yes. Listening to Die Walkyrie can be musical and beautiful in it's own way, just different. Curious, what do English pop-songs sound like to a French language native?

English is more or less a "soft Germanic." So it's German in it's younger years. If German was a brutish jock person, English would be it's less athletic, more intellectual cousin. But they'd still be related, because it runs in the family.

[Conscentia]

Firstly, I said France-like measures. France has legal abortion. Moreso than in the UK.
Really, many European countries need to increase their birth rates anyway. They're dropping below replacement rate.

If you want completely phonetic spelling, use IPA.
Complete destandardisation would result in all sorts of dialectal splintering. I don't want phonetic spelling, I want aesthetically pleasing writing that approximates the pronunciation better than or equivalent to the status quo. The reform I posted achieves both criteria.

Thing is, I highly doubt that we need to teach a whole new spelling style to get the phonetic spelling we want, rather I think if the diagraphs are changed to match the English language, new letters such as thorn are introduced, the "uglier" letters are removed, and some umlauts (particularly old Anglo-Saxon ones) are reintroduced, we could have the best of both words without doing so much regulation that may not even be accepted by the populace.

Just look at Frisian for a good example of a phonetic spelling that looks decent enough for a Germanic language (and is very similar to English).

I don't want umlauts.
Removing the supposedly "uglier" letters is what usually ruins the aesthetic appeal of reforms. That and messing with the vowels.

What about Scots orthography? It's largely English words spelled in a Scottish accent.

[Zaldakki]

English sounds more "neuter" to me.

Neuter? That's boring.

[Sebastianbourg]

I agree with Conscentia here. Whenever I hear French, I feel like that person has a lot of mucus in the nose.

It's a nasal language, unlike German and Russian which are more "throat" focused. They sound like they have phlegm stuck in their airways, and we have mucus.

So it's depressing as well as disgusting.

Well, I think the language is beautiful. It is my maternal tongue after all, and I believe it is the most pleasant language in the world, I(according to my criteria) know it is the most pleasant of the languages that I have heard.(English, German, Spanish, Arabic, Italian, although Italian is good too, etc.)

But, speaking it, as in the language itself, feels like it drips of disgust and disappointment.

I have personally had non-native speakers misunderstand my emotions simply because the pronunciation of the word is off-putting.

I believe it is simply a reflection of the culture that created it however, as we are always ever so unsatisfied and unhappy.

English sounds more "neuter" to me. While German and Russian sound threatening.

We tend to think of Southern German (from Bavaria for example) as the German all Germans/Austrians speak. The people on Deutsche Welle sound nothing like the stereotypical German-speaker; however, it might that Deutsche Welle German exists in the same way BBC English exists.

[Conscentia]

I agree with Conscentia here. Whenever I hear French, I feel like that person has a lot of mucus in the nose.

It's a nasal language, unlike German and Russian which are more "throat" focused. They sound like they have phlegm stuck in their airways, and we have mucus.

I disagree. German is more velar, and Russian is more palatal.
Semitic languages are more "throat"-ish.

[Conscentia]

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English sounds more "neuter" to me. While German and Russian sound threatening.

I can see why you'd think German sounds threatening (it's the perfect language for shouting in), but I think Russian only sounds threatening when the person speaking it wants to sound threatening. Russian can sound very benign when it's used that way.

[Olerand]

Ever heard of throat singing? We sound like that, yes. Listening to Die Walkyrie can be musical and beautiful in it's own way, just different. Curious, what do English pop-songs sound like to a French language native?

English is more or less a "soft Germanic." So it's German in it's younger years. If German was a brutish jock person, English would be it's less athletic, more intellectual cousin. But they'd still be related, because it runs in the family.

If you don't know English, absolute gibberish, coupled with occasional understanding, if a certain word that is derived from French is focused on.
English's grammatical rules are so different and erratic, it is difficult to understand; much of the vocabulary was adopted from French however, so we can somewhat understand the words, without understanding the context.

So if you know English, pop songs would sound, simply...Well, I'm unsure how to describe it, but akin to happiness, because it's pop. But not actual happiness. Not pleasant either, English is not a "pleasant" language, but...Happy, I guess? The top adjective I have for English is "utilitarian", but that's probably influenced by its position as the world's lingua franca, and not by its actual grammar or conjugation.

English sounds more "neuter" to me.

Neuter? That's boring.

Well, in my opinion, English is kind of boring. It lacks the smoothness that I identify with French and other Romance language, and the force that I associate with Germanic and Slavic languages.

So, it's "neuter", I guess.

[Alyakia]

based on my signature i am least passively supportive of such things but damn if i don't think our language would look weird as fuck and probably worse if we did

[Conscentia]

based on my signature i am least passively supportive of such things but damn if i don't think our language would look weird as fuck and probably worse if we did

Most reforms do look hideous, however...

I wouldn't mind this orphography:
http://www.frathwiki.com/Krisauka

[The Liberated Territories]

Thing is, I highly doubt that we need to teach a whole new spelling style to get the phonetic spelling we want, rather I think if the diagraphs are changed to match the English language, new letters such as thorn are introduced, the "uglier" letters are removed, and some umlauts (particularly old Anglo-Saxon ones) are reintroduced, we could have the best of both words without doing so much regulation that may not even be accepted by the populace.

Just look at Frisian for a good example of a phonetic spelling that looks decent enough for a Germanic language (and is very similar to English).

I don't want umlauts.
Removing the supposedly "uglier" letters is what usually ruins the aesthetic appeal of reforms. That and messing with the vowels.

What about Scots orthography? It's largely English words spelled in a Scottish accent.

I've been thinking about early Scots, and I could see it advantageous to bring back a lot of old Anglo-Saxon words that have now more or less been replaced by Norman/French equivalents. However, part of me feels like Scots orthography would conflict greatly in some places in America, such as New York City, where there is a non-rhotic pronunciation of words, and New Jersey where I am from...

For umlauts, we don't need to rip of the Germans or Norwegians completely, rather merely use the ones in place of groups of letters that would look clunky otherwise .

[Zaldakki]

English's grammatical rules are so different and erratic.

Different? Yes. Erratic? No. No language's grammar is erratic.

Neuter? That's boring.

Well, in my opinion, English is kind of boring. It lacks the smoothness that I identify with French and other Romance language, and the force that I associate with Germanic and Slavic languages.

So, it's "neuter", I guess.

[Zaldakki]

What about Middle English spelling rules, but not the actual spellings they used for those words? Like the way Chaucer would have spelled Modern English if he heard its pronunciation?

[Olerand]

English's grammatical rules are so different and erratic.

Different? Yes. Erratic? No. No language's grammar is erratic.

Well, in my opinion, English is kind of boring. It lacks the smoothness that I identify with French and other Romance language, and the force that I associate with Germanic and Slavic languages.

So, it's "neuter", I guess.

Well, to us, it does seem like it. We have a very rigid government organization regulating the tiniest details of our language, so English, with its "come one, come all" attitude is "erratic" in regards to French.

For example, new inventions in English are almost immediately adopted into popular lexicon, followed shortly by the dictionaries. In France, it takes months, in a good estimate, years in a bad one, for l'Académie to find French alternatives to by then popularly adopted English words, as with the relatively quick rise of social media.

This has resulted in the rise of the infamous, much maligned, Franglais, which to some of our politicians/public figures is the example of the death of France.

Don't be unhappy(?), your language is simply neuter. It's not necessarily a bad thing. In my opinion, English's neuter-like qualities significantly contributed to its relatively quick dominance of the world's languages.

[Conscentia]

I don't want umlauts.
Removing the supposedly "uglier" letters is what usually ruins the aesthetic appeal of reforms. That and messing with the vowels.

What about Scots orthography? It's largely English words spelled in a Scottish accent.

I've been thinking about early Scots, and I could see it advantageous to bring back a lot of old Anglo-Saxon words that have now more or less been replaced by Norman/French equivalents. However, part of me feels like Scots orthography would conflict greatly in some places in America, such as New York City, where there is a non-rhotic pronunciation of words, and New Jersey where I am from...

For umlauts, we don't need to rip of the Germans or Norwegians completely, rather merely use the ones in place of groups of letters that would look clunky otherwise .

Not like the present orthography represents them better.

I don't like taking my hand off the page when writing. I don't see any reason in adding additional inconvenience.

[Edward Scissorhands]

English is fine the way it is.

[Conscentia]

English's grammatical rules are so different and erratic.

You know, English speakers learning French in school frequently complain about French grammar being erratic.

[Conscentia]

What about Middle English spelling rules, but not the actual spellings they used for those words? Like the way Chaucer would have spelled Modern English if he heard its pronunciation?

We aren't all familiar with Middle English. Care to provide an example?