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Postby Main » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:26 pm

I love it when Archeuland accidentally turns this and every other even vaguely religious thread against Christianity by not realizing that you are only giving them ammo to use against you and all the other Christians on this site. A thread that starts with the murder of Christians should not end with the death of our ideals and beliefs, but the more Christians I meet on the internet the harder it is to accept the fact that they worship the same God.
Sorry for the rant.

Edit: This isn't about this particular thread but more about a trend I see emerging.
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Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, I can understand wanting to deter drug smuggling, but execution is going way too far.

That's a Rick Perry level of unnecessary execution.

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Postby Corrian » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:27 pm

God this is the scariest NationStates thread ever.

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Corrian wrote:Wouldn't it be hilarious if the Middle East turns into a superpower region like Europe someday?


Why would it?

I dunno. I think it would be. After it gets its act together more, anyway.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:28 pm

Sacred United Rome wrote:
The balkens wrote:
no.
The Lord wants the gospel to be spread and believed everywhere on earth, if has to be done by the sword by the sword it should be done.


Violence is primitive.
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Postby Main » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:32 pm

I would like to also add this.

And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” -Luke 23:34
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Genivaria wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, I can understand wanting to deter drug smuggling, but execution is going way too far.

That's a Rick Perry level of unnecessary execution.

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Postby New Kvenland » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:35 pm

Main wrote:I love it when Archeuland accidentally turns this and every other even vaguely religious thread against Christianity by not realizing that you are only giving them ammo to use against you and all the other Christians on this site. A thread that starts with the murder of Christians should not end with the death of our ideals and beliefs, but the more Christians I meet on the internet the harder it is to accept the fact that they worship the same God.
Sorry for the rant.

Edit: This isn't about this particular thread but more about a trend I see emerging.


Unfortunately, this is becoming more and more true.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:36 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Sacred United Rome wrote: The Lord wants the gospel to be spread and believed everywhere on earth, if has to be done by the sword by the sword it should be done.


Violence is primitive.

The Bible hasn't really changed much in the past few hundred years, though, except of course for the mistranslations (some of them awfully convenient).
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:37 pm

Main wrote:I would like to also add this.

And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” -Luke 23:34


And the Dude said, "Hey...that's like, you know....your opinion, man".
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Postby Herskerstad » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:37 pm

You know, this dilemma will never really be one that will reach actuality because the Pakistani government is about as regressive as they come. However, how would you deal with a crowd of 1200 muslims who've played some part in committing this act in a fair society?
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:38 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Violence is primitive.

The Bible hasn't really changed much in the past few hundred years, though, except of course for the mistranslations (some of them awfully convenient).


What? I was just talking about violence in general. It's primitive. Violence in the name of any ideology is basically saying "I can't beat you logically so I'm going to force you to believe as me".
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:40 pm

It also proves Islam is not a religion of peace no matter how many people claim it is.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:41 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:It also proves Islam is not a religion of peace no matter how many people claim it is.

How many religions are?
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Postby Koopaville » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:41 pm

Anyone up for a Tenth Crusade?

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Postby Islamic Sultante of Pakistan » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:42 pm

alright you degenerats, here is the answer i gave to some other place regarding this, im not so much into working it all over again so adjust it yourself.

"there were not 2000 people, they were barely a hundred.

secondly, the main culprits are in jail. the police is takeing in others as well

thirdly, it was actually a conflict of land, someone just used religion and falsely

fourthly if someone does wrong and is muslim or pakistani dont blame pakistan or islam, blame that person, we caught the culprit and justice will be served just like it always does.

your argument is invalid.
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well what the hell do you think we should do? leave the culprits and be like "oh well who cares about christians?we cant bring dead to life so why kill more just to justify"

WE CARE!!!

wrong happens everywhere, the thing is if the wrong is justified, over here, the wrong is justified and the culprits brought to justice.

unlike in america where they abused rights of muslims and never brought anyone to justice, hell they still keep afia siddiqui in just so they dont have to be answerable, dont make me go to what htey do in guantanamo bay. people disappear without a trace. and the americans dont justify it.
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they used to live in that place for like .............. a long time, if they were killed jsut for their religion .............HOW THE HELL DID THEY LIVE THERE?and had a marriage there and owned a land there a land in which they brought conflict in?these are just two people, who were christians and were stuck in an enimity, now when they bastards fucked up and killed them and everyone was like ....... yo what gives?

they just started for looking for excuses and were like "........ummm........... they disrespected the quran? ..... i would beset free if i say that right?"

and pakistan government was like "............sure sure................NO, we gonna fuck you up the asss bitch you killed two peple"
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im a pakistani, i own what my country does even though, many a times we dont do right stuff but that dosent make me less of a pakistani . you got questions? let them at me.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:43 pm

Koopaville wrote:Anyone up for a Tenth Crusade?


No. Anyone who suggests such an idea should seek medical help immediately.
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Postby Petrokovia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:46 pm

Okay, so for Sacred United Rome and all of the other super-religious crusaders out there, let me get this strait...

Islamic people going on a crusade and killing people is wrong.
Christian people going on a crusade and killing people is right.

Or, all of you are fucking nuts. ANYONE who says that it's okay to kill mass amounts of people in the name of any God is wrong. Killing in general isn't a think people should be promoting.
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Postby Petrokovia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:47 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:And the Dude said, "Hey...that's like, you know....your opinion, man".

From an ordained Dudeist priest, I say well said, bro. :)
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Postby Main » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:49 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:No. Anyone who suggests such an idea should seek medical help immediately.

For a crusade lasting four or more decades, get medical help right away.
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Genivaria wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, I can understand wanting to deter drug smuggling, but execution is going way too far.

That's a Rick Perry level of unnecessary execution.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:49 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:It also proves Islam is not a religion of peace no matter how many people claim it is.

How many religions are?

Too many and almost all of them set to make global domination their path except the Zoroastrians.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:50 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Geilinor wrote:How many religions are?

Too many and almost all of them set to make global domination their path except the Zoroastrians.

A little respect for the Pastafarians and Past/Future-Dayists of the world, please.
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Postby Petrokovia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:51 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Too many and almost all of them set to make global domination their path except the Zoroastrians.

A little respect for the Pastafarians and Past/Future-Dayists of the world, please.

Oh, and Dudeists, too.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:51 pm

I think it's past time we stopped asking 'what is wrong with religion' and focused more on 'what is wrong with the misguided/fearful/hate-filled people that do things in the name of it, and god.

It's just sick, and always has been, mankind's inhumanity to their fellow human beings, and anything else they find some fault with.

Regardless of the parties involved, it boils down to 'we have killed them because they do not believe as we do, or do not agree with us'. Put whatever face you like on it, it boils down to people being incapable of allowing others to exist along side them, and finding excuses to consolidate their mob power, and hold dominion over others.

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Postby Manisdog » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:52 pm

Islamic Sultante of Pakistan wrote:alright you degenerats, here is the answer i gave to some other place regarding this, im not so much into working it all over again so adjust it yourself.

"there were not 2000 people, they were barely a hundred.

secondly, the main culprits are in jail. the police is takeing in others as well

thirdly, it was actually a conflict of land, someone just used religion and falsely

fourthly if someone does wrong and is muslim or pakistani dont blame pakistan or islam, blame that person, we caught the culprit and justice will be served just like it always does.

your argument is invalid.
_--------------------------
well what the hell do you think we should do? leave the culprits and be like "oh well who cares about christians?we cant bring dead to life so why kill more just to justify"

WE CARE!!!

wrong happens everywhere, the thing is if the wrong is justified, over here, the wrong is justified and the culprits brought to justice.

unlike in america where they abused rights of muslims and never brought anyone to justice, hell they still keep afia siddiqui in just so they dont have to be answerable, dont make me go to what htey do in guantanamo bay. people disappear without a trace. and the americans dont justify it.
_----------------
they used to live in that place for like .............. a long time, if they were killed jsut for their religion .............HOW THE HELL DID THEY LIVE THERE?and had a marriage there and owned a land there a land in which they brought conflict in?these are just two people, who were christians and were stuck in an enimity, now when they bastards fucked up and killed them and everyone was like ....... yo what gives?

they just started for looking for excuses and were like "........ummm........... they disrespected the quran? ..... i would beset free if i say that right?"

and pakistan government was like "............sure sure................NO, we gonna fuck you up the asss bitch you killed two peple"
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im a pakistani, i own what my country does even though, many a times we dont do right stuff but that dosent make me less of a pakistani . you got questions? let them at me.

You forget to speak about the systematic persecution of hindus and other ethnic minorities, you forget to tell these people how miserable the lives of christians and hindus are in the failed state of pakistan. You forget to tell these people this is not an isolated incident and things like this are common in pakistan

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:54 pm

Main wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:No. Anyone who suggests such an idea should seek medical help immediately.

For a crusade lasting four or more decades, get medical help right away.


If you are irreligious or may become irreligious, you should ask your doctor before getting involved in a crusade.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:54 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Too many and almost all of them set to make global domination their path except the Zoroastrians.

A little respect for the Pastafarians and Past/Future-Dayists of the world, please.

I sort of forgot about them. Nothing like a religion that has no desire to grow in size though. Either way, Pakistan proves to be a failed state once again when religious based violence is this commonplace.
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Postby Redzon » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:55 pm

Vamtrl wrote:So this was pretty disgusting. Its events like these that really reaffirm my belief that religion (yes all of them) is a cancer upon mankind. Why do Muslims say that they are a religion of peace, yet have in place some of the most barbaric beliefs and practices involved. The ISIS for example is following the Qur'an to the dot, why then do people make excuses for Islam? I say this because people always shift the blame from the religion itself to the people who practice it, but when the religion has verses on killing apostates and people who "blasphemy" (which is frequently carried out), what more is there to say really


Religion had nothing to do with it, it's people killing people.

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