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How do you view prostitutes ?

Courageous people that should be respected for what they do for their families and their future. Prostitution should be legalized.
96
19%
Normal people, I don't see what is so special about them.
236
46%
Mmphr, disgusting but tolerable.
89
17%
Street filth, the whole bunch of them. Prostitution should be criminalized.
96
19%
 
Total votes : 517

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Postby Fanosolia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:46 am

The Seleucids wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
Can't be any more expenisive than our health care program *drum snar* :lol2:
I mean even australia has the right idea. I just hope my current leader doesn't go the other way and ban it :/


Not sure what your Healthcare program is but its pretty expesive to regulate it. The government should set up a whole new "organization" that monitores the prostitution sector, with that there comes also the police who still has to do its job to combat the forced and child prositution.

Over here in the Netherlands prostitution is very normal and its very regulated, but still the government doesn't get it under controll completely. This also becouse of bad regulation.


Well it was the only thing I could think that a lot of our tax dollars go into.

I didn't think it would be that much to regulate it. So that's what the netherlands do to try and regulate it? Is any other thing that was illegal made legal that expensive to regulate aswell (ie drugs)?
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:55 am

Fanosolia wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
Not sure what your Healthcare program is but its pretty expesive to regulate it. The government should set up a whole new "organization" that monitores the prostitution sector, with that there comes also the police who still has to do its job to combat the forced and child prositution.

Over here in the Netherlands prostitution is very normal and its very regulated, but still the government doesn't get it under controll completely. This also becouse of bad regulation.


Well it was the only thing I could think that a lot of our tax dollars go into.

I didn't think it would be that much to regulate it. So that's what the netherlands do to try and regulate it? Is any other thing that was illegal made legal that expensive to regulate aswell (ie drugs)?


The Netherlands indeed tries to regulate it, and while its doing a great job, it isn't unknown to find out about forced or child prostitution. Drugs aren't exactly legal in the Netherlands, soft drugs may be bought in a coffeeshop (coffeshop is the name for a shop where you can buy drugs in the Netherlands), though the coffeshops are offically not allowed to buy from the ones who make it. That last part however is the part where the government doesn't look into, which is why it seems to be legal.

Anyhow, as far as the prostitution goes, you'll never ban out forced/child prostitution but you can get a long way by taking alot of meassures.
Now its a very complex buisness and it will never be easy to know exactly what is going on, though one should try.
Here my view on how it should be regulated.

Starting out with the people involved:
1.Prostitue; The prostitute should Always be signed in at some place so people know she's a prostitute, Those people where she has to sign in should be educated on how to spot possible forced prostitution (she isn't happy when she signs in, a man comes with her ect.). Besides that i believe that prostitutes themselves (in brothels and red light districts) have the best chance to spot other prostitutes that are possibly forced, and so i believe that the prostitutes themselves should also be educated on this subject.

2.Managers, Security ect.; the people that are involved with prostitution but aren't clients are probably the most important people. they are the ones that rent a room to the prostitue or the ones that keeps the prostitues safe. They are the point where it all starts and so i believe that they should be screened before that they would get a chance to work in the buisness. They also should be educated on the signs of forced prostitution.

3.Clients; Clients are the third and also a very important part, now these will be different becouse you cannot force them to educate themselves on signs of forced prostitution or anything, though most clients know the signs already. Now the clients are arguable the most importand people when it comes to prostitution over the internet since they are the only ones who actually visit them (there is no other supervision on those prostitutes). Now in the Netherlands when you would have the feeling that a prostitute is forced or underage you have to go to the police. This is a major problem. Clients either have a wife and kids or they just don't want to do all the effort to report it, to combat this i believe the police should set up a site or so where clients can easely report possible forced/child prostitues. An effort that would only take the client like 15 min max. to do. It woudl greatly help the police to combat forced/child prostitution on the least covered part of the buisness, the internet.

Then ofcourse, what should be legal and what not in terms of how to prostitute yourself.
I believe that both brothels and red light districts should be legal and street prostitution illegal. Now this wouldn't be to hard to achieve, though there is still the internet prostitution which is alot more complicated.
As above said, clients should be able to quickly report signs of forced/child prostitution, but i don't think that will eventually be enough. If it was up to me the government should make a few internet sites where prostitutes can offer their service, these prostitutes should be verified by a certain organization that watches over the prostitutes. In this way most illegal prostitution would be gone.
Besides that, the government should still allow other prostitution sites to be active on the web, but these should be monitored most of the time and they should aswell be discouraged. (with other websites still active the police can find out about forced/child prostitution on a more rapid speed since most of them advertise on the itnernet)
To discourage the other active websites the government could implement a law offering legal (signed in) prostitutes free STD tests, free condoms ect. to encourage prostitutes to advertise through the legal system.

Anyhow, those are just a bit my thoughts, its still way more complicated alot of times but by these "rules" i think the government should be able to do alot against forced and child prostitution.

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Postby Fresh Meat » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:46 am

The Seleucids wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
Well it was the only thing I could think that a lot of our tax dollars go into.

I didn't think it would be that much to regulate it. So that's what the netherlands do to try and regulate it? Is any other thing that was illegal made legal that expensive to regulate aswell (ie drugs)?


The Netherlands indeed tries to regulate it, and while its doing a great job, it isn't unknown to find out about forced or child prostitution. Drugs aren't exactly legal in the Netherlands, soft drugs may be bought in a coffeeshop (coffeshop is the name for a shop where you can buy drugs in the Netherlands), though the coffeshops are offically not allowed to buy from the ones who make it. That last part however is the part where the government doesn't look into, which is why it seems to be legal.

Anyhow, as far as the prostitution goes, you'll never ban out forced/child prostitution but you can get a long way by taking alot of meassures.
Now its a very complex buisness and it will never be easy to know exactly what is going on, though one should try.
Here my view on how it should be regulated.

Starting out with the people involved:
1.Prostitue; The prostitute should Always be signed in at some place so people know she's a prostitute, Those people where she has to sign in should be educated on how to spot possible forced prostitution (she isn't happy when she signs in, a man comes with her ect.). Besides that i believe that prostitutes themselves (in brothels and red light districts) have the best chance to spot other prostitutes that are possibly forced, and so i believe that the prostitutes themselves should also be educated on this subject.

2.Managers, Security ect.; the people that are involved with prostitution but aren't clients are probably the most important people. they are the ones that rent a room to the prostitue or the ones that keeps the prostitues safe. They are the point where it all starts and so i believe that they should be screened before that they would get a chance to work in the buisness. They also should be educated on the signs of forced prostitution.

3.Clients; Clients are the third and also a very important part, now these will be different becouse you cannot force them to educate themselves on signs of forced prostitution or anything, though most clients know the signs already. Now the clients are arguable the most importand people when it comes to prostitution over the internet since they are the only ones who actually visit them (there is no other supervision on those prostitutes). Now in the Netherlands when you would have the feeling that a prostitute is forced or underage you have to go to the police. This is a major problem. Clients either have a wife and kids or they just don't want to do all the effort to report it, to combat this i believe the police should set up a site or so where clients can easely report possible forced/child prostitues. An effort that would only take the client like 15 min max. to do. It woudl greatly help the police to combat forced/child prostitution on the least covered part of the buisness, the internet.

Then ofcourse, what should be legal and what not in terms of how to prostitute yourself.
I believe that both brothels and red light districts should be legal and street prostitution illegal. Now this wouldn't be to hard to achieve, though there is still the internet prostitution which is alot more complicated.
As above said, clients should be able to quickly report signs of forced/child prostitution, but i don't think that will eventually be enough. If it was up to me the government should make a few internet sites where prostitutes can offer their service, these prostitutes should be verified by a certain organization that watches over the prostitutes. In this way most illegal prostitution would be gone.
Besides that, the government should still allow other prostitution sites to be active on the web, but these should be monitored most of the time and they should aswell be discouraged. (with other websites still active the police can find out about forced/child prostitution on a more rapid speed since most of them advertise on the itnernet)
To discourage the other active websites the government could implement a law offering legal (signed in) prostitutes free STD tests, free condoms ect. to encourage prostitutes to advertise through the legal system.

Anyhow, those are just a bit my thoughts, its still way more complicated alot of times but by these "rules" i think the government should be able to do alot against forced and child prostitution.



Damn someone beat me to what I was going to say :clap:

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Postby Fanosolia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:47 am

The Seleucids wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
Well it was the only thing I could think that a lot of our tax dollars go into.

I didn't think it would be that much to regulate it. So that's what the netherlands do to try and regulate it? Is any other thing that was illegal made legal that expensive to regulate aswell (ie drugs)?


The Netherlands indeed tries to regulate it, and while its doing a great job, it isn't unknown to find out about forced or child prostitution. Drugs aren't exactly legal in the Netherlands, soft drugs may be bought in a coffeeshop (coffeshop is the name for a shop where you can buy drugs in the Netherlands), though the coffeshops are offically not allowed to buy from the ones who make it. That last part however is the part where the government doesn't look into, which is why it seems to be legal.

Anyhow, as far as the prostitution goes, you'll never ban out forced/child prostitution but you can get a long way by taking alot of meassures.
Now its a very complex buisness and it will never be easy to know exactly what is going on, though one should try.
Here my view on how it should be regulated.

Starting out with the people involved:
1.Prostitue; The prostitute should Always be signed in at some place so people know she's a prostitute, Those people where she has to sign in should be educated on how to spot possible forced prostitution (she isn't happy when she signs in, a man comes with her ect.). Besides that i believe that prostitutes themselves (in brothels and red light districts) have the best chance to spot other prostitutes that are possibly forced, and so i believe that the prostitutes themselves should also be educated on this subject.

2.Managers, Security ect.; the people that are involved with prostitution but aren't clients are probably the most important people. they are the ones that rent a room to the prostitue or the ones that keeps the prostitues safe. They are the point where it all starts and so i believe that they should be screened before that they would get a chance to work in the buisness. They also should be educated on the signs of forced prostitution.

3.Clients; Clients are the third and also a very important part, now these will be different becouse you cannot force them to educate themselves on signs of forced prostitution or anything, though most clients know the signs already. Now the clients are arguable the most importand people when it comes to prostitution over the internet since they are the only ones who actually visit them (there is no other supervision on those prostitutes). Now in the Netherlands when you would have the feeling that a prostitute is forced or underage you have to go to the police. This is a major problem. Clients either have a wife and kids or they just don't want to do all the effort to report it, to combat this i believe the police should set up a site or so where clients can easely report possible forced/child prostitues. An effort that would only take the client like 15 min max. to do. It woudl greatly help the police to combat forced/child prostitution on the least covered part of the buisness, the internet.

Then ofcourse, what should be legal and what not in terms of how to prostitute yourself.
I believe that both brothels and red light districts should be legal and street prostitution illegal. Now this wouldn't be to hard to achieve, though there is still the internet prostitution which is alot more complicated.
As above said, clients should be able to quickly report signs of forced/child prostitution, but i don't think that will eventually be enough. If it was up to me the government should make a few internet sites where prostitutes can offer their service, these prostitutes should be verified by a certain organization that watches over the prostitutes. In this way most illegal prostitution would be gone.
Besides that, the government should still allow other prostitution sites to be active on the web, but these should be monitored most of the time and they should aswell be discouraged. (with other websites still active the police can find out about forced/child prostitution on a more rapid speed since most of them advertise on the itnernet)
To discourage the other active websites the government could implement a law offering legal (signed in) prostitutes free STD tests, free condoms ect. to encourage prostitutes to advertise through the legal system.

Anyhow, those are just a bit my thoughts, its still way more complicated alot of times but by these "rules" i think the government should be able to do alot against forced and child prostitution.


Unfortunately yes, we have to accept that. I do agree with you that we can put good regulations to minimize and help those in need.

I hope you don't mind but wish to do some comments on each of the mnumbered things.

1. Now what do you by signed in? Like sign in to a brothel, or lisenced by the government?

2. I generally agree with this one, and have no questions for it. Seem straight forward.

3. Yes, giving power to clients to easily and possibly aynomously report these situations would be helpful.
We pretty much agree on the types the should be legal but what do you mean by red light district? The whole Internet prositution make me a little... Uneasy. Though I do think a government Internet service is interesting may want to be tested.
And I don't think a single person would disagree with prositutes getting std tests. Though what about the client? Would there be a quick test at the door or have a doctors note?

All and all I enjoyed read those ideas. You're defiantly know your stuff. Though might I ask you, what do you think of a prostitution tax? I mean I think it's unnecessary, but I'm curious of what you think.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:07 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
The Netherlands indeed tries to regulate it, and while its doing a great job, it isn't unknown to find out about forced or child prostitution. Drugs aren't exactly legal in the Netherlands, soft drugs may be bought in a coffeeshop (coffeshop is the name for a shop where you can buy drugs in the Netherlands), though the coffeshops are offically not allowed to buy from the ones who make it. That last part however is the part where the government doesn't look into, which is why it seems to be legal.

Anyhow, as far as the prostitution goes, you'll never ban out forced/child prostitution but you can get a long way by taking alot of meassures.
Now its a very complex buisness and it will never be easy to know exactly what is going on, though one should try.
Here my view on how it should be regulated.

Starting out with the people involved:
1.Prostitue; The prostitute should Always be signed in at some place so people know she's a prostitute, Those people where she has to sign in should be educated on how to spot possible forced prostitution (she isn't happy when she signs in, a man comes with her ect.). Besides that i believe that prostitutes themselves (in brothels and red light districts) have the best chance to spot other prostitutes that are possibly forced, and so i believe that the prostitutes themselves should also be educated on this subject.

2.Managers, Security ect.; the people that are involved with prostitution but aren't clients are probably the most important people. they are the ones that rent a room to the prostitue or the ones that keeps the prostitues safe. They are the point where it all starts and so i believe that they should be screened before that they would get a chance to work in the buisness. They also should be educated on the signs of forced prostitution.

3.Clients; Clients are the third and also a very important part, now these will be different becouse you cannot force them to educate themselves on signs of forced prostitution or anything, though most clients know the signs already. Now the clients are arguable the most importand people when it comes to prostitution over the internet since they are the only ones who actually visit them (there is no other supervision on those prostitutes). Now in the Netherlands when you would have the feeling that a prostitute is forced or underage you have to go to the police. This is a major problem. Clients either have a wife and kids or they just don't want to do all the effort to report it, to combat this i believe the police should set up a site or so where clients can easely report possible forced/child prostitues. An effort that would only take the client like 15 min max. to do. It woudl greatly help the police to combat forced/child prostitution on the least covered part of the buisness, the internet.

Then ofcourse, what should be legal and what not in terms of how to prostitute yourself.
I believe that both brothels and red light districts should be legal and street prostitution illegal. Now this wouldn't be to hard to achieve, though there is still the internet prostitution which is alot more complicated.
As above said, clients should be able to quickly report signs of forced/child prostitution, but i don't think that will eventually be enough. If it was up to me the government should make a few internet sites where prostitutes can offer their service, these prostitutes should be verified by a certain organization that watches over the prostitutes. In this way most illegal prostitution would be gone.
Besides that, the government should still allow other prostitution sites to be active on the web, but these should be monitored most of the time and they should aswell be discouraged. (with other websites still active the police can find out about forced/child prostitution on a more rapid speed since most of them advertise on the itnernet)
To discourage the other active websites the government could implement a law offering legal (signed in) prostitutes free STD tests, free condoms ect. to encourage prostitutes to advertise through the legal system.

Anyhow, those are just a bit my thoughts, its still way more complicated alot of times but by these "rules" i think the government should be able to do alot against forced and child prostitution.


Unfortunately yes, we have to accept that. I do agree with you that we can put good regulations to minimize and help those in need.

I hope you don't mind but wish to do some comments on each of the mnumbered things.

1. Now what do you by signed in? Like sign in to a brothel, or lisenced by the government?

2. I generally agree with this one, and have no questions for it. Seem straight forward.

3. Yes, giving power to clients to easily and possibly aynomously report these situations would be helpful.
We pretty much agree on the types the should be legal but what do you mean by red light district? The whole Internet prositution make me a little... Uneasy. Though I do think a government Internet service is interesting may want to be tested.
And I don't think a single person would disagree with prositutes getting std tests. Though what about the client? Would there be a quick test at the door or have a doctors note?

All and all I enjoyed read those ideas. You're defiantly know your stuff. Though might I ask you, what do you think of a prostitution tax? I mean I think it's unnecessary, but I'm curious of what you think.


Not really lisenced, over here a prostitute offically should be a self employed worker (or whatever its called in english). This however isn't working at all and therefor i'm more in for some kind of register, something to give the government some kind of knowledge on how many legal prostitutes are active in the country. Ofcourse all that would sign the register should be checked out to make sure they aren't forced.

A red light district is a part of a city in which prostitutes can rent rooms for their work. Its argueable the best way for independent prostitutes that want safety, anyhow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHP42DdLoQ here you can see a bit of how it looks like from the outside.

Well, the internet makes it just more easy, you don't have to search long to find a woman that is attractive. While its easier for both parties, it does bring in more risk for both the prostitute as the client in terms of safety. In the red light districts prostitutes have alarm buttons and in a brothel they have their own security. Through the internet there isn't really anything. When i visit a prostitute that i found online i always carry a knife with me when i go to her, i wouldn't be the first one that gets his ass kicked by some robbers.

I don't think STD tests would work for clients, its to much trouble and all, even most prostitutes wouldn't favor such thing, that's why its important that prostitutes could get free STD tests, to make sure that they stay clean of such things. Clients, well sure there are some that don't care, but most won't visit a prostitute when they know they have an STD. Its just a self awareness & respect thing i guess.

You tend to learn alot of the buisness if you visit prostitutes from time to time :P

On the tax, well i dunno actually, while it would be a good idea, i think it would also push some prostitutes back to the illegal side. At the moment the only taxed prostitutes here in my country are the ones in brothels and the ones in red light district, though the ones in the red light district only pay taxes through renting a room, they don't pay taxes for prostitution.
I believe that at some point a tax could be introduced, but only once the safety and stability in the prostitution sector can be listed as "high ranked". If that isn't the case, i don't see any point in taxing it.
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Postby Fanosolia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:23 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
Unfortunately yes, we have to accept that. I do agree with you that we can put good regulations to minimize and help those in need.

I hope you don't mind but wish to do some comments on each of the mnumbered things.

1. Now what do you by signed in? Like sign in to a brothel, or lisenced by the government?

2. I generally agree with this one, and have no questions for it. Seem straight forward.

3. Yes, giving power to clients to easily and possibly aynomously report these situations would be helpful.
We pretty much agree on the types the should be legal but what do you mean by red light district? The whole Internet prositution make me a little... Uneasy. Though I do think a government Internet service is interesting may want to be tested.
And I don't think a single person would disagree with prositutes getting std tests. Though what about the client? Would there be a quick test at the door or have a doctors note?

All and all I enjoyed read those ideas. You're defiantly know your stuff. Though might I ask you, what do you think of a prostitution tax? I mean I think it's unnecessary, but I'm curious of what you think.


Not really lisenced, over here a prostitute offically should be a self employed worker (or whatever its called in english). This however isn't working at all and therefor i'm more in for some kind of register, something to give the government some kind of knowledge on how many legal prostitutes are active in the country. Ofcourse all that would sign the register should be checked out to make sure they aren't forced.

A red light district is a part of a city in which prostitutes can rent rooms for their work. Its argueable the best way for independent prostitutes that want safety, anyhow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHP42DdLoQ here you can see a bit of how it looks like from the outside.

Well, the internet makes it just more easy, you don't have to search long to find a woman that is attractive. While its easier for both parties, it does bring in more risk for both the prostitute as the client in terms of safety. In the red light districts prostitutes have alarm buttons and in a brothel they have their own security. Through the internet there isn't really anything. When i visit a prostitute that i found online i always carry a knife with me when i go to her, i wouldn't be the first one that gets his ass kicked by some robbers.

I don't think STD tests would work for clients, its to much trouble and all, even most prostitutes wouldn't favor such thing, that's why its important that prostitutes could get free STD tests, to make sure that they stay clean of such things. Clients, well sure there are some that don't care, but most won't visit a prostitute when they know they have an STD. Its just a self awareness & respect thing i guess.

You tend to learn alot of the buisness if you visit prostitutes from time to time :P

On the tax, well i dunno actually, while it would be a good idea, i think it would also push some prostitutes back to the illegal side. At the moment the only taxed prostitutes here in my country are the ones in brothels and the ones in red light district, though the ones in the red light district only pay taxes through renting a room, they don't pay taxes for prostitution.
I believe that at some point a tax could be introduced, but only once the safety and stability in the prostitution sector can be listed as "high ranked". If that isn't the case, i don't see any point in taxing it.


I basically had a similar idea to that because I feel it would be a step in differing legal and illegal prostitution and possibly help our forced. I guess licence and register don't mean the same thing, huh?

I always wondered why it was called the red light district XD

hmmm, I see. That was part of the reason I get bit uneasy about that sort of thing. I'm a retail guy what can I say :p

This is true, i'm just wanting to look out for the worker, the workplace, and all. I"m glad that most people have that level of respect.

I can imagine XD I didn't even know what a brothel was until like a month ago XD

Generally the same here.
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Postby Schirmerland2 » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:24 pm

I think prostitution is wrong and degrading to women and men for that matter. So yeah, I think it should stay illegal and be enforced with vigor.

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Postby Frisiiland » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:27 pm

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Frisiiland wrote: Non-vaginal penetrative sex that between two or more persons, for example oral or anal.

You should try it; it feels quite nice.
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Postby Firsthome » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:41 pm

Schirmerland2 wrote:I think prostitution is wrong and degrading to women and men for that matter. So yeah, I think it should stay illegal and be enforced with vigor.


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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:52 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
Not really lisenced, over here a prostitute offically should be a self employed worker (or whatever its called in english). This however isn't working at all and therefor i'm more in for some kind of register, something to give the government some kind of knowledge on how many legal prostitutes are active in the country. Ofcourse all that would sign the register should be checked out to make sure they aren't forced.

A red light district is a part of a city in which prostitutes can rent rooms for their work. Its argueable the best way for independent prostitutes that want safety, anyhow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHP42DdLoQ here you can see a bit of how it looks like from the outside.

Well, the internet makes it just more easy, you don't have to search long to find a woman that is attractive. While its easier for both parties, it does bring in more risk for both the prostitute as the client in terms of safety. In the red light districts prostitutes have alarm buttons and in a brothel they have their own security. Through the internet there isn't really anything. When i visit a prostitute that i found online i always carry a knife with me when i go to her, i wouldn't be the first one that gets his ass kicked by some robbers.

I don't think STD tests would work for clients, its to much trouble and all, even most prostitutes wouldn't favor such thing, that's why its important that prostitutes could get free STD tests, to make sure that they stay clean of such things. Clients, well sure there are some that don't care, but most won't visit a prostitute when they know they have an STD. Its just a self awareness & respect thing i guess.

You tend to learn alot of the buisness if you visit prostitutes from time to time :P

On the tax, well i dunno actually, while it would be a good idea, i think it would also push some prostitutes back to the illegal side. At the moment the only taxed prostitutes here in my country are the ones in brothels and the ones in red light district, though the ones in the red light district only pay taxes through renting a room, they don't pay taxes for prostitution.
I believe that at some point a tax could be introduced, but only once the safety and stability in the prostitution sector can be listed as "high ranked". If that isn't the case, i don't see any point in taxing it.


I basically had a similar idea to that because I feel it would be a step in differing legal and illegal prostitution and possibly help our forced. I guess licence and register don't mean the same thing, huh?

I always wondered why it was called the red light district XD

hmmm, I see. That was part of the reason I get bit uneasy about that sort of thing. I'm a retail guy what can I say :p

This is true, i'm just wanting to look out for the worker, the workplace, and all. I"m glad that most people have that level of respect.

I can imagine XD I didn't even know what a brothel was until like a month ago XD

Generally the same here.


nope, licence and register aren't the same. The reason why i feel it should be more of a register and a free choice for woman instead of some kind of obligation is that it keeps the forced prostitution in sight.
If you want to combat forced prostitution or child prostitution for that matter you need to know where you can find them. If you make laws to clear on such matters the forced/child prostitution could quickly dissapear into the dark cornerns which aren't easy to find by the police or government. Making it a free choice will kinda relax those that force a woman into prostitute or those that are minors, therefor they wouldn't really hide themselves and could be dealth with on a quicker rate.

a month ago? Damn :P How old are you then?

Schirmerland2 wrote:I think prostitution is wrong and degrading to women and men for that matter. So yeah, I think it should stay illegal and be enforced with vigor.


You do realize that it would only make things worse right?

A war on prostitution would have the very same result as the war on drugs, it would become a total failure and it would only cause alot of problems.

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Postby Fanosolia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:58 pm

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I basically had a similar idea to that because I feel it would be a step in differing legal and illegal prostitution and possibly help our forced. I guess licence and register don't mean the same thing, huh?

I always wondered why it was called the red light district XD

hmmm, I see. That was part of the reason I get bit uneasy about that sort of thing. I'm a retail guy what can I say :p

This is true, i'm just wanting to look out for the worker, the workplace, and all. I"m glad that most people have that level of respect.

I can imagine XD I didn't even know what a brothel was until like a month ago XD

Generally the same here.


nope, licence and register aren't the same. The reason why i feel it should be more of a register and a free choice for woman instead of some kind of obligation is that it keeps the forced prostitution in sight.
If you want to combat forced prostitution or child prostitution for that matter you need to know where you can find them. If you make laws to clear on such matters the forced/child prostitution could quickly dissapear into the dark cornerns which aren't easy to find by the police or government. Making it a free choice will kinda relax those that force a woman into prostitute or those that are minors, therefor they wouldn't really hide themselves and could be dealth with on a quicker rate.

a month ago? Damn :P How old are you then?


Hmm well you've got a plan sir that you've spent some time on. So how would the registry work then?

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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:01 pm

Schirmerland2 wrote:I think prostitution is wrong and degrading to women and men for that matter. So yeah, I think it should stay illegal and be enforced with vigor.

Meh, I think being a dentists or dental hygienist is wrong and degrading. That's not really an argument.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:14 pm

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nope, licence and register aren't the same. The reason why i feel it should be more of a register and a free choice for woman instead of some kind of obligation is that it keeps the forced prostitution in sight.
If you want to combat forced prostitution or child prostitution for that matter you need to know where you can find them. If you make laws to clear on such matters the forced/child prostitution could quickly dissapear into the dark cornerns which aren't easy to find by the police or government. Making it a free choice will kinda relax those that force a woman into prostitute or those that are minors, therefor they wouldn't really hide themselves and could be dealth with on a quicker rate.

a month ago? Damn :P How old are you then?


Hmm well you've got a plan sir that you've spent some time on. So how would the registry work then?

... 19... I want to blame it on being sheltered, but i might be because brothels are either illegal here or just don't exist in the public eye. I had to learn it from yahtzee and gabe man! two Australian dudes


A good question. I would assume that the prostitute should go somewhere to sign her in where she will be asked some questions by people who can actually read a person (just to find out if there is any possibility of forced prostitution). She should also make clear where she works (brothel, red light district, home) and she should be willing to allow inspectors to come by every now and then to check if everything is alright. Now ofcourse, in this meaning most wouldn't do the trouble, however if the government would offer free STD tests and free condoms for those that sign up i think alot of them would since such things (especially STD tests) can be pretty expensive.

Ah like that, no worries though, i just wondered about it but forgot that brothels aren't present (publicly) in alot of countries ;)

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Postby Fanosolia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:20 pm

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Hmm well you've got a plan sir that you've spent some time on. So how would the registry work then?

... 19... I want to blame it on being sheltered, but i might be because brothels are either illegal here or just don't exist in the public eye. I had to learn it from yahtzee and gabe man! two Australian dudes


A good question. I would assume that the prostitute should go somewhere to sign her in where she will be asked some questions by people who can actually read a person (just to find out if there is any possibility of forced prostitution). She should also make clear where she works (brothel, red light district, home) and she should be willing to allow inspectors to come by every now and then to check if everything is alright. Now ofcourse, in this meaning most wouldn't do the trouble, however if the government would offer free STD tests and free condoms for those that sign up i think alot of them would since such things (especially STD tests) can be pretty expensive.

Ah like that, no worries though, i just wondered about it but forgot that brothels aren't present (publicly) in alot of countries ;)


hmmm fair enough, I would like to see that in action. my only two other question are then, 1 how are the stds and such being paid for? and 2. what would be the birth control situation with prostitution? I ask because those things don't 100% of the time.

Heh heh well that's true. I just really hope harper doesn't screw it up more is all I"m going to say.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:40 pm

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A good question. I would assume that the prostitute should go somewhere to sign her in where she will be asked some questions by people who can actually read a person (just to find out if there is any possibility of forced prostitution). She should also make clear where she works (brothel, red light district, home) and she should be willing to allow inspectors to come by every now and then to check if everything is alright. Now ofcourse, in this meaning most wouldn't do the trouble, however if the government would offer free STD tests and free condoms for those that sign up i think alot of them would since such things (especially STD tests) can be pretty expensive.

Ah like that, no worries though, i just wondered about it but forgot that brothels aren't present (publicly) in alot of countries ;)


hmmm fair enough, I would like to see that in action. my only two other question are then, 1 how are the stds and such being paid for? and 2. what would be the birth control situation with prostitution? I ask because those things don't 100% of the time.

Heh heh well that's true. I just really hope harper doesn't screw it up more is all I"m going to say.


The free STD tests would be paid with tax money, in the end brothels and red light districts bring in more tax then those STD tests would cost.

birth control? I would leave that up to the prostitute herself, they protect themselves for such things pretty well most of the time. And if not, well, its still up to the client to chose to go without a condom, he knows the risk aswell.

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Postby Distruzio » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:56 pm

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Whats wrong with prostitution? Morality. Humanity.

A mutually beneficial trade it is. But a mutually beneficial trade thats immoral and dehumanizes the participants it is nonetheless.

I realize the issues with it will be greatly diminished, yes. But diminished is not absent.


Nah, these are just preconceived ideas. You need to let go of prudishness and understand that sex is an activity like any other, including as far as morality and humanity is concerned. You wouldn't make the argument that you're "dehumanizing" a handyman by paying them to do something for you, would you now?


You are if all you see them as is a set of tools. For instance, paying them a pittance of what theor labor and skills necessitate? Dehumanizing. Utilizing the services offered and then pretending that person never egaged in a mutually beneficial relationship with you should you ever happen across them again? Dehumanizing. Utilizing the services rendered and taking credit for the services with your spouse (a secret exchange)? Dehumanizing.
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Postby Elwher » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:32 pm

Distruzio wrote:
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Nah, these are just preconceived ideas. You need to let go of prudishness and understand that sex is an activity like any other, including as far as morality and humanity is concerned. You wouldn't make the argument that you're "dehumanizing" a handyman by paying them to do something for you, would you now?


You are if all you see them as is a set of tools. For instance, paying them a pittance of what theor labor and skills necessitate? Dehumanizing. Utilizing the services offered and then pretending that person never egaged in a mutually beneficial relationship with you should you ever happen across them again? Dehumanizing. Utilizing the services rendered and taking credit for the services with your spouse (a secret exchange)? Dehumanizing.


As to paying them what their skills and labor necessitate, everyone can cook but a fry cook at McDonalds makes much less then the chef at Antoine's, and it would be no different in this field. Skill, effort, and talent will always be paid more than average. If prostitution were legal and recognized as a skilled trade, there would be no more reason to ignore a person with whom you contracted than there is with your stock broker, and the same would eliminate the desire to maintain secrecy in the transaction.

In short, it seems to me that all the reasons you mentioned are excellent reasons to legalize, regulate, and recognize prostitution as a skilled trade, just like cooking or singing.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:58 pm

There are a few people who legitimately want to do it. Most prostitutes are women who are forced to do the work or starve or they are sex slaves. I feel sorry they have to sell their bodies for money.
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Postby Elwher » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:32 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:There are a few people who legitimately want to do it. Most prostitutes are women who are forced to do the work or starve or they are sex slaves. I feel sorry they have to sell their bodies for money.


The same can be said of most professions - a few of the workers want to do what they do, most are forced to work at a job they actively dislike to avoid starvation; and most, if not all of us rent our bodies for money, the only difference is what body parts we rent out.
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Postby Skeckoa » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:49 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:There are a few people who legitimately want to do it. Most prostitutes are women who are forced to do the work or starve or they are sex slaves. I feel sorry they have to sell their bodies for money.
Part of the reason for the bad treatment in the shadows in regards to prostitution. Legalization would help alleviate this.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:56 pm

Elwher wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:There are a few people who legitimately want to do it. Most prostitutes are women who are forced to do the work or starve or they are sex slaves. I feel sorry they have to sell their bodies for money.


The same can be said of most professions - a few of the workers want to do what they do, most are forced to work at a job they actively dislike to avoid starvation; and most, if not all of us rent our bodies for money, the only difference is what body parts we rent out.

The risk of STDs and other things. I just think it's a shame that society is forcing women to have sex so they have food.
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Socialist Tera wrote:There are a few people who legitimately want to do it. Most prostitutes are women who are forced to do the work or starve or they are sex slaves. I feel sorry they have to sell their bodies for money.
Part of the reason for the bad treatment in the shadows in regards to prostitution. Legalization would help alleviate this.

Which is why a cultural revolution would be needed.
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Postby Elwher » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:18 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
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The same can be said of most professions - a few of the workers want to do what they do, most are forced to work at a job they actively dislike to avoid starvation; and most, if not all of us rent our bodies for money, the only difference is what body parts we rent out.

The risk of STDs and other things. I just think it's a shame that society is forcing women to have sex so they have food.


As a coder, I risked carpal tunnel syndrome in order to have food. Most STDs are curable, CTS is not. Every profession has its risk factors, and ways to lessen the risks if the worker uses them. The sex trade should be treated like any other one.
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Postby Urran » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:24 pm

You don't know anger until you see 12 year olds used as prostitutes in Cambodia and know it's legal there. There is no way that is morally right. In my opinion any one that thinks that it is should have to look that little girl right in the eyes and tell her that what she's doing or what happens to her is fine. It's not fine. You have no soul if you think it is IMO. This is one of the few things that I am truly pasdionate about
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Postby Firsthome » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:24 pm

Elwher wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:The risk of STDs and other things. I just think it's a shame that society is forcing women to have sex so they have food.


As a coder, I risked carpal tunnel syndrome in order to have food. Most STDs are curable, CTS is not. Every profession has its risk factors, and ways to lessen the risks if the worker uses them. The sex trade should be treated like any other one.



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Postby Skeckoa » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:27 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:Which is why a cultural revolution would be needed.
Well that escalated quickly. I think that I might be misunderstanding what you are saying. Care to clarify what is entailed in a social revolution?
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