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How do you view prostitutes ?

Courageous people that should be respected for what they do for their families and their future. Prostitution should be legalized.
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Normal people, I don't see what is so special about them.
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Mmphr, disgusting but tolerable.
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Street filth, the whole bunch of them. Prostitution should be criminalized.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:42 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Being a sin is not an assertion that it is "graver". And just what do you mean by sodomy?
Non-vaginal penetrative sex that between two or more persons, for example oral or anal.

And that is bad why?
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:44 pm

Distruzio wrote:
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Explain to me how it is immoral and how it dehumanizes the participants.


Its immoral in that it distorts the Image of God in individuals. Participants do not view one another as human beings but as objects for satisfaction. Thus they are dehumanized. Our Image, our propensity and desire for relationships, makes us human. Any action that results in the obscuring of that Image is immoral.


Really? God?

Participants do view eachother as human beings, or at least most do. If you claim otherwise i'd like to have a source on that.
Our Image? Sorry, but what's makes you a human is that you live and happen to be a human, nothing more.
And no, it isn't immoral, at least not where i come from, so please, try again.

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I could imagine, but prostitutes do not sell their body.

Fanosolia wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:More or less. I think they might apply for worker services as "autonomous workers", but their activists say that this is not enough, and want it to be available as an officially-recognized profession.

(Image)

Green: Prostitution legal and regulated
Blue: Prostitution legal and not regulated. Organised activities such as brothels and pimping illegal
Red: Prostitution illegal
Grey: No information


see that's why I don't understand my country(canada). we allow it, but we don't do much about it to actually help the workers. Recently I believe read somewhere there was a group of them that tried to make it regulated or something like that, but it's been awhile since I've read that article.


Regulating prostitution costs alot of money, its very likely that the government doesn't care enough to spend it on such matters. Though i believe it should be regulated everywhere it can, on all parts of the buisness. Alot of countries (even those where its regulated) fail alot on that last part.
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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:57 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Fanosolia wrote:
see that's why I don't understand my country(canada). we allow it, but we don't do much about it to actually help the workers. Recently I believe read somewhere there was a group of them that tried to make it regulated or something like that, but it's been awhile since I've read that article.


Regulating prostitution costs alot of money, its very likely that the government doesn't care enough to spend it on such matters. Though i believe it should be regulated everywhere it can, on all parts of the buisness. Alot of countries (even those where its regulated) fail alot on that last part.


Can't be any more expenisive than our health care program *drum snar* :lol2:
I mean even australia has the right idea. I just hope my current leader doesn't go the other way and ban it :/
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:17 pm

Fanosolia wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:

Regulating prostitution costs alot of money, its very likely that the government doesn't care enough to spend it on such matters. Though i believe it should be regulated everywhere it can, on all parts of the buisness. Alot of countries (even those where its regulated) fail alot on that last part.


Can't be any more expenisive than our health care program *drum snar* :lol2:
I mean even australia has the right idea. I just hope my current leader doesn't go the other way and ban it :/


Not sure what your Healthcare program is but its pretty expesive to regulate it. The government should set up a whole new "organization" that monitores the prostitution sector, with that there comes also the police who still has to do its job to combat the forced and child prositution.

Over here in the Netherlands prostitution is very normal and its very regulated, but still the government doesn't get it under controll completely. This also becouse of bad regulation.

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Postby Elwher » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:57 pm

When I go to work, I use my hand on a keyboard to produce code for my employer. Why is that different from someone else using their hand to produce an orgasm for their employer? In either case, a person has rented the use of another person's anatomy to produce a result desirable to the employer. I see no inherent difference as to what portion of the anatomy is rented, or what result is desired. In either case, one person has money and the other has a skill, so trade results.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:08 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Is oral sex sodomy?
Yes.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:09 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Being a sin is not an assertion that it is "graver". And just what do you mean by sodomy?
Non-vaginal penetrative sex that between two or more persons, for example oral or anal.

You should try it; it feels quite nice.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:10 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Frisiiland wrote: Non-vaginal penetrative sex that between two or more persons, for example oral or anal.

You should try it; it feels quite nice.

Maybe both. *flies away*
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:11 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:You should try it; it feels quite nice.

Maybe both. *flies away*

At the same time!

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Postby Othelos » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:11 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Being a sin is not an assertion that it is "graver". And just what do you mean by sodomy?
Non-vaginal penetrative sex that between two or more persons, for example oral or anal.

ah the horror!
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:12 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Maybe both. *flies away*

At the same time!

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:13 pm

Othelos wrote:
Frisiiland wrote: Non-vaginal penetrative sex that between two or more persons, for example oral or anal.

ah the horror!

Never receive a blowjob; it will give your first-class ticket to Hell. I don't care how gorgeous she is; never do it! :p

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:13 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:At the same time!

:unsure:

Mission accomplished.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:18 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Othelos wrote:ah the horror!

Never receive a blowjob; it will give your first-class ticket to Hell. I don't care how gorgeous she is; never do it! :p

God will also take a photo of you to show as evidence to all of the world by the time of rapture. "Cheese!". *nod nod*
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Postby Sinica » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:21 pm

Its not morally upright and it would be preferred if it didn't exist, but in the end, meh. People can give sex for free without state intervention, why should the state suddenly throw a fit if some money is attached to it? It's a non issue for the most part in my government's eyes, though we do try to indirectly attack the issue by educating women, therefore alleviating the need to get involved in such a job market. but i don't see the point in criminalizing it, since sex itself is not a criminal act. Besides for some i imagine its the only way they'd ever get 'it', so if it was banned they'd never to satisfy their instinctual desires. As a final point its quite a waste of police resources, they could be doing more productive things than chasing people who are just trying to get laid.
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:21 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:Never receive a blowjob; it will give your first-class ticket to Hell. I don't care how gorgeous she is; never do it! :p

God will also take a photo of you to show as evidence to all of the world by the time of rapture. "Cheese!". *nod nod*

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Postby Creator of Universe Sun Wukong Lu Bu » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:35 pm

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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:God will also take a photo of you to show as evidence to all of the world by the time of rapture. "Cheese!". *nod nod*

The flash will take a long time.
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Like a 60 minute pornographic video?

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:37 pm

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I'll explain if you don't understand


Like a 60 minute pornographic video?

I was thinking 90 but that's fine.

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Postby Benuty » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:28 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:Never receive a blowjob; it will give your first-class ticket to Hell. I don't care how gorgeous she is; never do it! :p

God will also take a photo of you to show as evidence to all of the world by the time of rapture. "Cheese!". *nod nod*

The Rapture already happened, I mean what the hell do you think 9/11 was?
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:36 pm

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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:God will also take a photo of you to show as evidence to all of the world by the time of rapture. "Cheese!". *nod nod*

The Rapture already happened, I mean what the hell do you think 9/11 was?

The Fall of an Empire? :unsure:

(I was 6, okay.)
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:32 am

I'm okay with prostitution as long as the prostitute isn't forced into it.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:34 am

NERVUN wrote:I'm from Nevada and I live in a country with a rather large night trade.


Aren't you from Japan?
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Postby Sun Wukong » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:38 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
NERVUN wrote:I'm from Nevada and I live in a country with a rather large night trade.


Aren't you from Japan?

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:40 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
NERVUN wrote:I'm from Nevada and I live in a country with a rather large night trade.

Aren't you from Japan?

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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:46 am

Distruzio wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Why? What's wrong with prostitution, especially when legalized?

E: You talk about "change", but you do realize that those things you'd want sex workers to get away from will simply be inexistent or at the very least extremely reduced considering legalization?

E2: It's pretty much as with drugs. 99% of the problem isn't even inherently there, it's created by the government.


Whats wrong with prostitution? Morality. Humanity.

A mutually beneficial trade it is. But a mutually beneficial trade thats immoral and dehumanizes the participants it is nonetheless.

I realize the issues with it will be greatly diminished, yes. But diminished is not absent.


Nah, these are just preconceived ideas. You need to let go of prudishness and understand that sex is an activity like any other, including as far as morality and humanity is concerned. You wouldn't make the argument that you're "dehumanizing" a handyman by paying them to do something for you, would you now?
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