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How do you view prostitutes ?

Courageous people that should be respected for what they do for their families and their future. Prostitution should be legalized.
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Normal people, I don't see what is so special about them.
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Mmphr, disgusting but tolerable.
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Street filth, the whole bunch of them. Prostitution should be criminalized.
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Postby Estado Nacional » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:40 pm

I have nothing against it, morally, and I think it should be legalized.
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Postby Utilitarian Garibaldi » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:48 pm

Prostitution should be legalized, not trafficking of course not, but voluntary prostitution is ok.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:51 pm

Distruzio wrote:
DnalweN acilbupeR wrote:
Why? What's wrong with prostitution, especially when legalized?

E: You talk about "change", but you do realize that those things you'd want sex workers to get away from will simply be inexistent or at the very least extremely reduced considering legalization?

E2: It's pretty much as with drugs. 99% of the problem isn't even inherently there, it's created by the government.


Whats wrong with prostitution? Morality. Humanity.

A mutually beneficial trade it is. But a mutually beneficial trade thats immoral and dehumanizes the participants it is nonetheless.

I realize the issues with it will be greatly diminished, yes. But diminished is not absent.


Explain to me how it is immoral and how it dehumanizes the participants.

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Postby Distruzio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:08 pm

The Seleucids wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Whats wrong with prostitution? Morality. Humanity.

A mutually beneficial trade it is. But a mutually beneficial trade thats immoral and dehumanizes the participants it is nonetheless.

I realize the issues with it will be greatly diminished, yes. But diminished is not absent.


Explain to me how it is immoral and how it dehumanizes the participants.


Its immoral in that it distorts the Image of God in individuals. Participants do not view one another as human beings but as objects for satisfaction. Thus they are dehumanized. Our Image, our propensity and desire for relationships, makes us human. Any action that results in the obscuring of that Image is immoral.
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Postby Frisiiland » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:10 pm

Distruzio wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
Explain to me how it is immoral and how it dehumanizes the participants.


Its immoral in that it distorts the Image of God in individuals. Participants do not view one another as human beings but as objects for satisfaction. Thus they are dehumanized. Our Image, our propensity and desire for relationships, makes us human. Any action that results in the obscuring of that Image is immoral.
But state prostitution can be a lesser evil in the sense that it can reduce sodomy.

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Postby Neo Philippine Empire » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:12 pm

I am disgusted by the sight of women selling their bodies.
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:13 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Its immoral in that it distorts the Image of God in individuals. Participants do not view one another as human beings but as objects for satisfaction. Thus they are dehumanized. Our Image, our propensity and desire for relationships, makes us human. Any action that results in the obscuring of that Image is immoral.
But state prostitution can be a lesser evil in the sense that it can reduce sodomy.


??

How is sodomy relevant, reduced, or worse?
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:14 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Its immoral in that it distorts the Image of God in individuals. Participants do not view one another as human beings but as objects for satisfaction. Thus they are dehumanized. Our Image, our propensity and desire for relationships, makes us human. Any action that results in the obscuring of that Image is immoral.
But state prostitution can be a lesser evil in the sense that it can reduce sodomy.


Also, how is prostitution or sodomy evil?
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:15 pm

Society should have greater acceptance towards prostitutes, so that I may easily hire one in a safe, ethical, and sanitary fashion. ;)
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Postby Planita » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:19 pm

I have a positive view of it as a system with legal prostitution already works in the Netherlands. I think however it should be regulated to prevent forced prostitution among other crimes.

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Postby Frisiiland » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:24 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Frisiiland wrote: But state prostitution can be a lesser evil in the sense that it can reduce sodomy.


??

How is sodomy relevant, reduced, or worse?
It's relevant because it's worse than mere fornification and worse than normal. A state monopoly on prostitution could somewhat control what sexual activities are done in the brothels instead of of pushing the entire prostitution underground by banning it or leaving it free. It's evil but it's a lesser evil.
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:26 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
??

How is sodomy relevant, reduced, or worse?
It's relevant because it's worse than mere fornification and worse than normal. A state monopoly on prostitution could somewhat control what sexual activities are done in the brothels instead of of pushing the entire prostitution underground by banning it or leaving it free. It's evil but it's a lesser evil.


And how is it worse?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:26 pm

After reading this and the fas thread...

I want a drink, and then a whore.

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Postby Frisiiland » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:28 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Frisiiland wrote: It's relevant because it's worse than mere fornification and worse than normal. A state monopoly on prostitution could somewhat control what sexual activities are done in the brothels instead of of pushing the entire prostitution underground by banning it or leaving it free. It's evil but it's a lesser evil.


And how is it worse?
Because it's a graver sin, ask any mainstream Roman Catholic theologian why. Or any mainstream pre-20th century Protestant or Orthodox Catholic Church theolgian
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:34 pm

Neo Philippine Empire wrote:I am disgusted by the sight of women selling their bodies.

And I am aroused.

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Postby Great Kleomentia » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:35 pm

Should be legal. Should be regulated.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:36 pm

Neo Philippine Empire wrote:I am disgusted by the sight of women selling their bodies.

Which leads us to the question of why you watch prostitutes fuck their clients.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:37 pm

Intelectual Atheists wrote:As far as I know, in Brazil, being a prostitute is considered a job. Make of that what you will.

More or less. I think they might apply for worker services as "autonomous workers", but their activists say that this is not enough, and want it to be available as an officially-recognized profession.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:39 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
And how is it worse?
Because it's a graver sin, ask any mainstream Roman Catholic theologian why. Or any mainstream pre-20th century Protestant or Orthodox Catholic Church theolgian

Which is probably why it costs more.

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Postby Fanosolia » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:43 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Intelectual Atheists wrote:As far as I know, in Brazil, being a prostitute is considered a job. Make of that what you will.

More or less. I think they might apply for worker services as "autonomous workers", but their activists say that this is not enough, and want it to be available as an officially-recognized profession.

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Green: Prostitution legal and regulated
Blue: Prostitution legal and not regulated. Organised activities such as brothels and pimping illegal
Red: Prostitution illegal
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see that's why I don't understand my country(canada). we allow it, but we don't do much about it to actually help the workers. Recently I believe read somewhere there was a group of them that tried to make it regulated or something like that, but it's been awhile since I've read that article.
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:50 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
And how is it worse?
Because it's a graver sin, ask any mainstream Roman Catholic theologian why. Or any mainstream pre-20th century Protestant or Orthodox Catholic Church theolgian


Being a sin is not an assertion that it is "graver". And just what do you mean by sodomy?
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Postby Frisiiland » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:07 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Frisiiland wrote: Because it's a graver sin, ask any mainstream Roman Catholic theologian why. Or any mainstream pre-20th century Protestant or Orthodox Catholic Church theolgian


Being a sin is not an assertion that it is "graver". And just what do you mean by sodomy?
Non-vaginal penetrative sex that between two or more persons, for example oral or anal.
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Postby Distruzio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:10 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Being a sin is not an assertion that it is "graver". And just what do you mean by sodomy?
Non-vaginal penetrative sex between two or more persons.


Is oral sex sodomy?
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Postby Frisiiland » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:11 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Frisiiland wrote: Non-vaginal penetrative sex between two or more persons.


Is oral sex sodomy?
Yes.

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Postby Distruzio » Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:13 pm

Frisiiland wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Is oral sex sodomy?
Yes.


I see.
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