Prostitution: What do you think of it ?

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

Oh my fucking god.

You are only 15, so calm down.

I'm 15 also, yet I understand prostitution.

Damn, all those children in here, shouldn't you guys worry about school or anyting?

[CTALNH]

It shouldnt be criminalized. Marginalized and condemned culturally and socially? Yes. But criminalized? No.

What the fuck Distruzio?

[-The Trade Federation-]

I'm 15 also, yet I understand prostitution.

Damn, all those children in here, shouldn't you guys worry about school or anyting?

No school today.

ANYWAYS...

[Vazdaria]

I've seen debates about whether prostitution, the act of giving sexual relations in exchange for money, should be legalized or criminalized. Some people often view prostitutes as vulgar street whores seeking money to get drugs. However, for many if not most of these prostitutes, the reality is different. A lot of prostitutes are often desesperate mothers viewing prostitution as their last solution in order to at least FEED their family, mainly their children, and give them a good life or college (or university) students prostituting themselves in order to pay their scholar bills and reach out for the job they've always wanted. Why do people stereotype prostitutes as drugged streetwhores ? What do you think about prostitutes ? Are they noble, courageous, heroic people or "street filth" ? I want to see your opinion.

My opinion is that prostitutes are very respectable and courageous people and should be respected for what they do for their families or their future. I consider the prostitutes' stereotype as highly insulting towards their acts and I believe prostitution should be legalized.

I think they're being exploited. .

[-The Trade Federation-]

It shouldnt be criminalized. Marginalized and condemned culturally and socially? Yes. But criminalized? No.

What the fuck Distruzio?

He's saying that prostitutes should be...well, basically shamed, but not criminalized.

And how does that make things better ?

[-The Trade Federation-]

I've seen debates about whether prostitution, the act of giving sexual relations in exchange for money, should be legalized or criminalized. Some people often view prostitutes as vulgar street whores seeking money to get drugs. However, for many if not most of these prostitutes, the reality is different. A lot of prostitutes are often desesperate mothers viewing prostitution as their last solution in order to at least FEED their family, mainly their children, and give them a good life or college (or university) students prostituting themselves in order to pay their scholar bills and reach out for the job they've always wanted. Why do people stereotype prostitutes as drugged streetwhores ? What do you think about prostitutes ? Are they noble, courageous, heroic people or "street filth" ? I want to see your opinion.

My opinion is that prostitutes are very respectable and courageous people and should be respected for what they do for their families or their future. I consider the prostitutes' stereotype as highly insulting towards their acts and I believe prostitution should be legalized.

I think they're being exploited. .

Read the post that rocked the thread and see if that's exploitation.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I fail to understand OP's fascination with prostitutes. They're normal people, just like you and me, and prostitution must be legalized. I'll tackle regulation later in this post.

Hardly anyone that does illegal stuff for a living could be called "courageous". We've all heard the cliche that "criminals get into crime for lack of another choice", which, I may agree could be true at first. But, once you get to the gist of it, most (or at least a significant number of) people who do crimes for a living do so by choice. The best example of this are drug dealers - sure, when you first start out you may have no other choice, but when you see the money rolling in you become complacent and continue doing it. That is, people will frequently do it not just to get out of the shitter, but also afterwards because it pays. The best example of this are drug dealers. And this is particularly true if they are not addicted themselves or have a (decently) clean record, in which case, once they've gotten "a bit" of cash, there's nothing stopping them from looking for a legal job, getting into school or college, or whatever they'd need to set themselves up on their feet, other than, of course, the temptation of earning much more money than they could earn legally. Instead, they just go on with "the game" because they either can't be bothered to actually study or work for a living, or they see that it pays a lot more than a legal job, or because they want to live the "gangster" lifestyle.

Now, as far as regulation is concerned, seeing how people do sex less and less to reproduce and how they're increasingly sexually liberated (at least in the developed world, which will be followed closely by developing countries as they join the club), you'll see people having sex with more partners, which, at some point in the future, might completely negate the need to regulate sex workers, partly because sex for money will most probably be replaced in a significant proportion (if not almost completely) by casual sex and partly because sex workers won't be that much (if at all) more prone to contracting and transmitting STDs than the general population.

[Tzarsgrad]

I fail to understand OP's fascination with prostitutes. They're normal people, just like you and me, and prostitution must be legalized. I'll tackle regulation later in this post.

Hardly anyone that does illegal stuff for a living could be called "courageous". We've all heard the cliche that "criminals get into crime for lack of another choice", which, I may agree could be true at first. But, once you get to the gist of it, most (or at least a significant number of) people who do crimes for a living do so by choice. The best example of this are drug dealers - sure, when you first start out you may have no other choice, but when you see the money rolling in you become complacent and continue doing it. That is, people will frequently do it not just to get out of the shitter, but also afterwards because it pays. The best example of this are drug dealers. And this is particularly true if they are not addicted themselves or have a (decently) clean record, in which case, once they've gotten "a bit" of cash, there's nothing stopping them from looking for a legal job, getting into school or college, or whatever they'd need to set themselves up on their feet, other than, of course, the temptation of earning much more money than they could earn legally. Instead, they just go on with "the game" because they either can't be bothered to actually study or work for a living, or they see that it pays a lot more than a legal job, or because they want to live the "gangster" lifestyle.

Now, as far as regulation is concerned, seeing how people do sex less and less to reproduce and how they're increasingly sexually liberated (at least in the developed world, which will be followed closely by developing countries as they join the club), you'll see people having sex with more partners, which, at some point in the future, might completely negate the need to regulate sex workers, partly because sex for money will most probably be replaced in a significant proportion (if not almost completely) by casual sex and partly because sex workers won't be that much (if at all) more prone to contracting and transmitting STDs than the general population.

I agree, especially with the last part of your point.

With the rapidly shifting social climate, people are becoming more sexually active and aware. With the increase of things like polyamory in relationships, hopefully something like prostitution will become obsolete.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

What do you think of the prostitutes that view prostitution as a last/easy solution ?

Prostitution is not an "easy" solution, it potentially opens people up to abuse.

There are fairly few if any crimes that are "easy". They tend to, you know, open people up to violence b/c turf maintenance/retaliation/eliminating competition/"gangstah lifestyal!!11" , being incarcerated by the government, being socially stigmatized and made unwanted in the labor market, etc.

[CTALNH]

What the fuck Distruzio?

He's saying that prostitutes should be...well, basically shamed, but not criminalized.

And how does that make things better ?

Thats why I am going WTF.

[-The Trade Federation-]

I fail to understand OP's fascination with prostitutes. They're normal people, just like you and me, and prostitution must be legalized. I'll tackle regulation later in this post.

Hardly anyone that does illegal stuff for a living could be called "courageous". We've all heard the cliche that "criminals get into crime for lack of another choice", which, I may agree could be true at first. But, once you get to the gist of it, most (or at least a significant number of) people who do crimes for a living do so by choice. The best example of this are drug dealers - sure, when you first start out you may have no other choice, but when you see the money rolling in you become complacent and continue doing it. That is, people will frequently do it not just to get out of the shitter, but also afterwards because it pays. The best example of this are drug dealers. And this is particularly true if they are not addicted themselves or have a (decently) clean record, in which case, once they've gotten "a bit" of cash, there's nothing stopping them from looking for a legal job, getting into school or college, or whatever they'd need to set themselves up on their feet, other than, of course, the temptation of earning much more money than they could earn legally. Instead, they just go on with "the game" because they either can't be bothered to actually study or work for a living, or they see that it pays a lot more than a legal job, or because they want to live the "gangster" lifestyle.

Now, as far as regulation is concerned, seeing how people do sex less and less to reproduce and how they're increasingly sexually liberated (at least in the developed world, which will be followed closely by developing countries as they join the club), you'll see people having sex with more partners, which, at some point in the future, might completely negate the need to regulate sex workers, partly because sex for money will most probably be replaced in a significant proportion (if not almost completely) by casual sex and partly because sex workers won't be that much (if at all) more prone to contracting and transmitting STDs than the general population.

I agree, especially with the last part of your point.

With the rapidly shifting social climate, people are becoming more sexually active and aware. With the increase of things like polyamory in relationships, hopefully something like prostitution will become obsolete.

The chances of the world's oldest profession disappearing are very very slim.

[Firsthome]

It shouldnt be criminalized. Marginalized and condemned culturally and socially? Yes. But criminalized? No.

The fuck?

No

[Tzarsgrad]

I agree, especially with the last part of your point.

With the rapidly shifting social climate, people are becoming more sexually active and aware. With the increase of things like polyamory in relationships, hopefully something like prostitution will become obsolete.

The chances of the world's oldest profession disappearing are very very slim.

I don't think disappearing is the right word. Maybe "Becoming less necessary"?

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

I fail to understand OP's fascination with prostitutes. They're normal people, just like you and me, and prostitution must be legalized. I'll tackle regulation later in this post.

Hardly anyone that does illegal stuff for a living could be called "courageous". We've all heard the cliche that "criminals get into crime for lack of another choice", which, I may agree could be true at first. But, once you get to the gist of it, most (or at least a significant number of) people who do crimes for a living do so by choice. The best example of this are drug dealers - sure, when you first start out you may have no other choice, but when you see the money rolling in you become complacent and continue doing it. That is, people will frequently do it not just to get out of the shitter, but also afterwards because it pays. The best example of this are drug dealers. And this is particularly true if they are not addicted themselves or have a (decently) clean record, in which case, once they've gotten "a bit" of cash, there's nothing stopping them from looking for a legal job, getting into school or college, or whatever they'd need to set themselves up on their feet, other than, of course, the temptation of earning much more money than they could earn legally. Instead, they just go on with "the game" because they either can't be bothered to actually study or work for a living, or they see that it pays a lot more than a legal job, or because they want to live the "gangster" lifestyle.

Now, as far as regulation is concerned, seeing how people do sex less and less to reproduce and how they're increasingly sexually liberated (at least in the developed world, which will be followed closely by developing countries as they join the club), you'll see people having sex with more partners, which, at some point in the future, might completely negate the need to regulate sex workers, partly because sex for money will most probably be replaced in a significant proportion (if not almost completely) by casual sex and partly because sex workers won't be that much (if at all) more prone to contracting and transmitting STDs than the general population.

I agree, especially with the last part of your point.

With the rapidly shifting social climate, people are becoming more sexually active and aware. With the increase of things like polyamory in relationships, hopefully something like prostitution will become obsolete.

Why? Why hopefully? What's wrong with it?

It's not that it's wrong, it's simple economics - why pay for something that you can get for free, or, alternatively, increasingly lower commitment and effort (financial or otherwise) ?

[-The Trade Federation-]

The chances of the world's oldest profession disappearing are very very slim.

I don't think disappearing is the right word. Maybe "Becoming less necessary"?

Makes more sense.

When something has been around for thousands of years, it's because it lasted and will last.

[Tzarsgrad]

I don't think disappearing is the right word. Maybe "Becoming less necessary"?

Makes more sense.

When something has been around for thousands of years, it's because it lasted and will last.

I won't discount the idea of it disappearing entirely, but as you've said, it seems unlikely. Only time will tell, I suppose.

My main issue with prostitution, as I've said above, isn't necessarily that they're selling sex (which companies do somewhat indirectly every day), but what comes from it. Prostitutes get murdered on a scale much higher than average, and police are often less likely to investigate it. Prostitutes are seen as filthy and immoral, even though, as the saying goes, "It takes two".

[Firsthome]

Makes more sense.

When something has been around for thousands of years, it's because it lasted and will last.

I won't discount the idea of it disappearing entirely, but as you've said, it seems unlikely. Only time will tell, I suppose.

My main issue with prostitution, as I've said above, isn't necessarily that they're selling sex (which companies do somewhat indirectly every day), but what comes from it. Prostitutes get murdered on a scale much higher than average, and police are often less likely to investigate it. Prostitutes are seen as filthy and immoral, even though, as the saying goes, "It takes two".

Make it a legal,job, that's sanctioned by the government

[Tzarsgrad]

I won't discount the idea of it disappearing entirely, but as you've said, it seems unlikely. Only time will tell, I suppose.

My main issue with prostitution, as I've said above, isn't necessarily that they're selling sex (which companies do somewhat indirectly every day), but what comes from it. Prostitutes get murdered on a scale much higher than average, and police are often less likely to investigate it. Prostitutes are seen as filthy and immoral, even though, as the saying goes, "It takes two".

Make it a legal,job, that's sanctioned by the government

I'm not sure that will completely destroy the stigmas surrounding it. I mean, do you think every member of the police would respect such laws?

[Distruzio]

What the fuck Distruzio?

He's saying that prostitutes should be...well, basically shamed, but not criminalized.

And how does that make things better ?

Should be is not will be. My mother was a prostitute. She did what she had to to feed me. I get it. However, were it not for shame, shed not have moved on. Shed have stayed put. I saw the results of criminalized activity. The beatings. The harassment. I know what dangers criminalization creates.

But I also know the hunger for change shame can make. My mother was a stubborn one. For which I am grateful. To spite those who shamed her, she elevated her station.

Am I saying social programs to help prostitutes should not exist? No. Am I saying that prostitution should be vilified? No. Im saying it should be tolerated at best.

[Firsthome]

Make it a legal,job, that's sanctioned by the government

I'm not sure that will completely destroy the stigmas surrounding it. I mean, do you think every member of the police would respect such laws?

No.

But then again. I believe that legalizing drugs will lower crime

[Tzarsgrad]

I'm not sure that will completely destroy the stigmas surrounding it. I mean, do you think every member of the police would respect such laws?

No.

But then again. I believe that legalizing drugs will lower crime

Well, while that might be true, that doesn't mean crank needs to be on store shelves.

Back to topic. As I've said, I'm all for legalization of prostitution. I just don't know how exactly it would sustain itself, socially speaking.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

He's saying that prostitutes should be...well, basically shamed, but not criminalized.

And how does that make things better ?

Should be is not will be. My mother was a prostitute. She did what she had to to feed me. I get it. However, were it not for shame, shed not have moved on. Shed have stayed put. I saw the results of criminalized activity. The beatings. The harassment. I know what dangers criminalization creates.

But I also know the hunger for change shame can make. My mother was a stubborn one. For which I am grateful. To spite those who shamed her, she elevated her station.

Am I saying social programs to help prostitutes should not exist? No. Am I saying that prostitution should be vilified? No. Im saying it should be tolerated at best.

Why? What's wrong with prostitution, especially when legalized?

E: You talk about "change", but you do realize that those things you'd want sex workers to get away from will simply be inexistent or at the very least extremely reduced considering legalization?

E2: It's pretty much as with drugs. 99% of the problem isn't even inherently there, it's created by the government.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

Makes more sense.

When something has been around for thousands of years, it's because it lasted and will last.

I won't discount the idea of it disappearing entirely, but as you've said, it seems unlikely. Only time will tell, I suppose.

My main issue with prostitution, as I've said above, isn't necessarily that they're selling sex (which companies do somewhat indirectly every day), but what comes from it. Prostitutes get murdered on a scale much higher than average, and police are often less likely to investigate it. Prostitutes are seen as filthy and immoral, even though, as the saying goes, "It takes two".

This isn't really true when we're talking about legalized and regulated prostitution.
See the Netherlands, a ver low murder rate and in/around prostitution murder is pretty much unkown. Police investigates alot in the prostitution sector to combat any forms of forced and child prostitution. Prostitutes here are seen as normal people doing their job.

[Distruzio]

Should be is not will be. My mother was a prostitute. She did what she had to to feed me. I get it. However, were it not for shame, shed not have moved on. Shed have stayed put. I saw the results of criminalized activity. The beatings. The harassment. I know what dangers criminalization creates.

But I also know the hunger for change shame can make. My mother was a stubborn one. For which I am grateful. To spite those who shamed her, she elevated her station.

Am I saying social programs to help prostitutes should not exist? No. Am I saying that prostitution should be vilified? No. Im saying it should be tolerated at best.

Why? What's wrong with prostitution, especially when legalized?

E: You talk about "change", but you do realize that those things you'd want sex workers to get away from will simply be inexistent or at the very least extremely reduced considering legalization?

E2: It's pretty much as with drugs. 99% of the problem isn't even inherently there, it's created by the government.

Whats wrong with prostitution? Morality. Humanity.

A mutually beneficial trade it is. But a mutually beneficial trade thats immoral and dehumanizes the participants it is nonetheless.

I realize the issues with it will be greatly diminished, yes. But diminished is not absent.

[Intelectual Atheists]

As far as I know, in Brazil, being a prostitute is considered a job. Make of that what you will.