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Manisdog
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Postby Manisdog » Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:59 am

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No I think what this mayor is doing is perfect, jailing them would be a waste of taxpayers money as they would get 2 square meals at our expense there, what this city is doing is the best, that way they just disapper


I guess a war veteran gets a pension in your country

We get benefits, but I have the displeasure of knowing some of those homeless vets. There's a variety of reasons why they're on the streets, none are good.

If its Christian charity what's the harm? If they paid and made the food they were handing out, how's it hurt you?



It hurts society by encouraging such behavior

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:00 am

Manisdog wrote:
Boomhaueristan wrote:We get benefits, but I have the displeasure of knowing some of those homeless vets. There's a variety of reasons why they're on the streets, none are good.

If its Christian charity what's the harm? If they paid and made the food they were handing out, how's it hurt you?



It hurts society by encouraging such behavior


Poor people are part of society.

The free market hurts society. I'd rather stop feeding the rich than the poor.

subsidies
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Postby Boomhaueristan » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:00 am

Manisdog wrote:
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Every homeless person in the country murders a businessman, then what?

Waive the jail sentence because better not feed them?


You see they are already prone to crime, it would not suprise, they could be put in for some kind of forced labour but that is the best i can think for them right now

Glad to see your idea of best thing for them isn't charity, or job placement, but forced labor.

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Postby Shilya » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:00 am

Manisdog wrote:
Boomhaueristan wrote:We get benefits, but I have the displeasure of knowing some of those homeless vets. There's a variety of reasons why they're on the streets, none are good.

If its Christian charity what's the harm? If they paid and made the food they were handing out, how's it hurt you?



It hurts society by encouraging such behavior


Wait. What are you trying to say here?
It hurts society because it encourages people to be more charitable, or it hurts society because it encourages people to be homeless?

I haven't decided so far which option is crazier...
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Postby Manisdog » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:02 am

Shilya wrote:
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It hurts society by encouraging such behavior


Wait. What are you trying to say here?
It hurts society because it encourages people to be more charitable, or it hurts society because it encourages people to be homeless?

I haven't decided so far which option is crazier...



encourages people to be beggars, it discourages people from getting a job, those people must be thinking of the free food they are getting and do not mind being a parasite on society

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Postby Shilya » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:04 am

Manisdog wrote:
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Wait. What are you trying to say here?
It hurts society because it encourages people to be more charitable, or it hurts society because it encourages people to be homeless?

I haven't decided so far which option is crazier...



encourages people to be beggars, it discourages people from getting a job, those people must be thinking of the free food they are getting and do not mind being a parasite on society


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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:07 am

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Panhandling is obnoxious, but that's not a reason to punish people for giving out food.


It would is discourage such behavior


No, it wouldn't. Some people panhandle because they need money to buy food. If you give them food without being asked, then they don't need to go around bothering other people.
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Postby Manisdog » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:11 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
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It would is discourage such behavior


No, it wouldn't. Some people panhandle because they need money to buy food. If you give them food without being asked, then they don't need to go around bothering other people.


than they would see Beggary as a means of income

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Postby The Flood » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:12 am

What the fuck kinda reason is there to ban feeding homeless people? That's the most asinine law I've ever heard, and it's downright immoral.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:14 am

Manisdog wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
No, it wouldn't. Some people panhandle because they need money to buy food. If you give them food without being asked, then they don't need to go around bothering other people.


than they would see Beggary as a means of income


And why is beggary not a legitimate means of income?
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:14 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Manisdog wrote:

It hurts society by encouraging such behavior


Poor people are part of society.

The free market hurts society. I'd rather stop feeding the rich than the poor.

subsidies


That charity work is part of the free market. People doing what they wish with their money. The government could probably step in and do something itself, but it seems content just forcing the charitable to stop their giving.
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:16 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Manisdog wrote:
than they would see Beggary as a means of income


And why is beggary not a legitimate means of income?


In a true free market, there's no reason it isn't.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:17 am

Dracoria wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Poor people are part of society.

The free market hurts society. I'd rather stop feeding the rich than the poor.

subsidies


That charity work is part of the free market. People doing what they wish with their money. The government could probably step in and do something itself, but it seems content just forcing the charitable to stop their giving.


The point was that the 'free market' Manisdog is exposed to, in India, is effectively built on state capitalism - hence why I pointed out subsidies, I realised after the fact it wasn't clear what I was referring to, and in hindsight it wasn't enough of a clarification.

Indian business is still rife with nepotism and political corruption.
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Postby Manisdog » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:23 am

Boomhaueristan wrote:
Manisdog wrote:
You see they are already prone to crime, it would not suprise, they could be put in for some kind of forced labour but that is the best i can think for them right now

Glad to see your idea of best thing for them isn't charity, or job placement, but forced labor.

Cool.



That way atleast they would pay for the food we give them

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Postby Shilya » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:27 am

Manisdog wrote:
Boomhaueristan wrote:Glad to see your idea of best thing for them isn't charity, or job placement, but forced labor.

Cool.



That way atleast they would pay for the food we give them

"We"?
I don't see you handing out free food that you bought to the homeless.
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Postby Manisdog » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:27 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
That charity work is part of the free market. People doing what they wish with their money. The government could probably step in and do something itself, but it seems content just forcing the charitable to stop their giving.


The point was that the 'free market' Manisdog is exposed to, in India, is effectively built on state capitalism - hence why I pointed out subsidies, I realised after the fact it wasn't clear what I was referring to, and in hindsight it wasn't enough of a clarification.

Indian business is still rife with nepotism and political corruption.


It seems that you have an extensive idea on how Indian business is conducted..


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Postby Dracoria » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:28 am

Manisdog wrote:
Boomhaueristan wrote:Glad to see your idea of best thing for them isn't charity, or job placement, but forced labor.

Cool.



That way atleast they would pay for the food we give them


Your suggestion that every person earn their share, with no voluntary charity or people deciding to go do their own thing, sounds suspiciously like... COMMUNISM.
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Postby Manisdog » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:29 am

Shilya wrote:
Manisdog wrote:

That way atleast they would pay for the food we give them

"We"?
I don't see you handing out free food that you bought to the homeless.



society gives them, if they work for the food it would be better

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:29 am

Manisdog wrote:
It seems that you have an extensive idea on how Indian business is conducted..


check for sarcasm


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Postby Shilya » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:30 am

Manisdog wrote:
Shilya wrote:"We"?
I don't see you handing out free food that you bought to the homeless.



society gives them, if they work for the food it would be better

Okay, hire them.
Also, this thread is about a few individuals who give them. Not society, most definitly not you.
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:31 am

Manisdog wrote:
Shilya wrote:"We"?
I don't see you handing out free food that you bought to the homeless.



society gives them, if they work for the food it would be better


If individuals wish to use their own money and property as they wish, in this case to feed the less well-off, why shouldn't they?
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Postby Manisdog » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:31 am

Shilya wrote:
Manisdog wrote:

society gives them, if they work for the food it would be better

Okay, hire them.
Also, this thread is about a few individuals who give them. Not society, most definitly not you.



As I have said before, what these few " good" men are doing is breeding parasites of the future

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Postby The Grim Reaper » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:33 am

Manisdog wrote:
Shilya wrote:Okay, hire them.
Also, this thread is about a few individuals who give them. Not society, most definitly not you.



As I have said before, what these few " good" men are doing is breeding parasites of the future


I'm afraid it's excessively difficult for the homeless to become either lawyers or stockbrokers, even with food aid.
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:34 am

Manisdog wrote:
Shilya wrote:Okay, hire them.
Also, this thread is about a few individuals who give them. Not society, most definitly not you.



As I have said before, what these few " good" men are doing is breeding parasites of the future


Okay, I don't think that's what a news story means when it says a minister is slipping them frankfurters in the park.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:37 am

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Cyrisnia wrote:Whats wrong with feeding the homeless?

It encourages those no-good moochers who should just go get a job already to hang around and bring their icky homeless germs into the public space where the hardworking elite have to see them, and heaven forbid, maybe feel uncomfortable seeing those welfare queens actually getting to eat real food!

Really, it sounds to me like the law is an attempt at making the area so inhospitable that the homeless population migrates elsewhere. Instead of, oh, say, taking steps to help get the homeless off the streets? Y'know, housing, job development, that sort of thing?

Why spend all that money doing something that will work when you can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it's someone else's problem?
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