NATION

PASSWORD

Another Person Charged With Feeding The Poor In Florida

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Oceans Haven
Envoy
 
Posts: 312
Founded: Nov 03, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Oceans Haven » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:27 am

i actually live in miami so ive seen my fair share of homeless issues/corruption from the city in certain areas (notably the fact that many not all but many beggars are actually well off people with houses and jobs looking for easy cash but thats a topic for a later thread). I think its wrong to fine them...but i see some reason to be careful how its done. Personally, i think it would be better to go to a local church, temple, or even boy scout troop and do food drives. ive been in the BSA for some time, and food drives at least in my troop were regular occurances. And if you use caned food that doesnt need a can opener to be opened (like those cheff boyardee cans) it has an added benefit of lasting longer. Either way, itll cost money either donating to a food drive or cooking/feeding them publicly so i think donations work better.

User avatar
Yumyumsuppertime
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 28799
Founded: Jun 21, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:48 am

Oceans Haven wrote:i actually live in miami so ive seen my fair share of homeless issues/corruption from the city in certain areas (notably the fact that many not all but many beggars are actually well off people with houses and jobs looking for easy cash but thats a topic for a later thread). I think its wrong to fine them...but i see some reason to be careful how its done. Personally, i think it would be better to go to a local church, temple, or even boy scout troop and do food drives. ive been in the BSA for some time, and food drives at least in my troop were regular occurances. And if you use caned food that doesnt need a can opener to be opened (like those cheff boyardee cans) it has an added benefit of lasting longer. Either way, itll cost money either donating to a food drive or cooking/feeding them publicly so i think donations work better.


For the most part, canned food is impractical for homeless people, and is generally given to housed low-income families by food banks.

User avatar
Toronina
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6660
Founded: Oct 06, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Toronina » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:52 am

I swear, Florida must be one of the stupidest American states. Sorry to any people from Florida.
Now I'm back in the ring to take another swing

User avatar
L Ron Cupboard
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9054
Founded: Mar 30, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:53 am

A good opportunity for some non-violent direct political action - feed the homeless in defiance of the law.
A leopard in every home, you know it makes sense.

User avatar
Colbert Super PAC
Diplomat
 
Posts: 647
Founded: Jun 14, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Colbert Super PAC » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:05 am

My parents always taught me not to feed stray animals. If you do, they'll just keep coming back. The same applies here.
Cthulhu Trump 2016
Why Vote For The Lesser Evil?

User avatar
L Ron Cupboard
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9054
Founded: Mar 30, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:16 am

Colbert Super PAC wrote:My parents always taught me not to feed stray animals. If you do, they'll just keep coming back. The same applies here.


I was always under the impression you were a Christian?
A leopard in every home, you know it makes sense.

User avatar
Empire of Narnia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5577
Founded: Oct 18, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Empire of Narnia » Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:18 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:A good opportunity for some non-violent direct political action - feed the homeless in defiance of the law.

Yep, some good old fashioned peaceful protesting couldn't hurt.

User avatar
-Ebola-
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1872
Founded: Oct 09, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby -Ebola- » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:22 am

Colbert Super PAC wrote:My parents always taught me not to feed stray animals. If you do, they'll just keep coming back. The same applies here.


I don't think these guys are bothered by it if the homeless people come back.
There are viruses on the internet! Make sure your computer is protected.
African, asexual, and proud.
Racism is foolish. You're all the same inside. I would know.

User avatar
Republic of Coldwater
Senator
 
Posts: 4500
Founded: Jul 08, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Republic of Coldwater » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:32 am

This tyrannical law that prohibits one from doing a voluntary and harmless action should be repealed. If one wants to enshrine his or her goodwill across the less fortunate, the government should step aside and let them do their generous bidding. This in fact, increases rather than decreases poverty, and private charities, if they were not regulated like this would do a much better job in taking care of those who are in the lowest echelons of society. Take Utah as an example, where the numerous private charities have elevated the poor from their terrible state despite a reduction in welfare spending. If the government was more accepting of private charities, then we wouldn't have so many impoverished citizens.

User avatar
Republic of Coldwater
Senator
 
Posts: 4500
Founded: Jul 08, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Republic of Coldwater » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:33 am

Colbert Super PAC wrote:My parents always taught me not to feed stray animals. If you do, they'll just keep coming back. The same applies here.

How does another person feeding the poor affect you in any shape, way or form?

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58281
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:54 am

No words can explain how angry i am right now at this bullshit,

How about you actually fucking try and deal with the Homeless situation instead of passing stupid laws to try and get it to disappear? Huh? You know stuff like common decency and doing your fucking job to help your people.

Fucking hell. Go on Arnold Abbot! He is a great man!
Last edited by The Huskar Social Union on Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:55 am, edited 1 time in total.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


User avatar
Espresso and Insanity
Diplomat
 
Posts: 556
Founded: Oct 29, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Espresso and Insanity » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:57 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Colbert Super PAC wrote:My parents always taught me not to feed stray animals. If you do, they'll just keep coming back. The same applies here.

How does another person feeding the poor affect you in any shape, way or form?


His nation's posts are satirical. Whether or not they're effective at delivering laughs and political thought is up for debate.
Caffeine Addict, Bisexual, Moderate Social Democrat/Progressive, Atheist.

User avatar
Dracoria
Senator
 
Posts: 4575
Founded: Oct 26, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Dracoria » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:38 am

Constantinopolis wrote:
True American States wrote:Also isn't Floriduh part of the Bible Belt? The darn Holy Land Experience is at Orlando. Why aren't all Christians up in arms over this? This is a offensive to Christians and it shows you that the Politicians over at that little city or town or whoever vote this ordinance in will use religion to whatever advantage they have and drop it on a dime when its against their policies.
FOR SHAME!!!

AMEN!

Seriously, why isn't there a storm of uproar so massive that the mayor is forced to resign?


Well, for some reason unstated in most of those articles, he's a Democrat. You see these laws passing just as frequently, if not more, in cities that tend to vote blue. Go figure. You'll notice that two of the three arrested have been ministers, and people have been booing and harassing the police when arrests are made, so I'd wager people, particularly the Christians down there, are upset.
Also, chocobos.

I show solidarity with the Tea Party by drinking more tea.
I show solidarity with Occupy Wall Street by painting my toilet as a police cruiser.

User avatar
Luziyca
Post Czar
 
Posts: 38036
Founded: Nov 13, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Luziyca » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:13 am

Cyrisnia wrote:Whats wrong with feeding the homeless?

Exactly.

Personally, it is another stupid law from the idiotic lawmakers in Florida, and that the true solution for homelessness is providing free housing and mental health treatment, as well as opportunities for jobs.
|||The Kingdom of Rwizikuru|||
Your feeble attempts to change the very nature of how time itself has been organized by mankind shall fall on barren ground and bear no fruit
IIwikiFacebookKylaris: the best region for eight years runningAbout meYouTubePolitical compass

User avatar
New Aerios
Minister
 
Posts: 2250
Founded: Apr 19, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby New Aerios » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:14 am

Well, that's silly. If I have something and I want to give it to someone else, why should there be a law in place to stop me. The fact that this is essentially about helping people to survive makes it even worse.
-------------------------------I--M--P--E--R--I--V--M----N--O--V--A----A--E--R--I--O--S---------------------------------
"No matter how worthy the cause, it is robbery, theft, and injustice to confiscate the property of one person and give it to another to whom it does not belong"

"Prior to capitalism, the way people amassed great wealth was by looting, plundering and enslaving their fellow man. Capitalism made it possible to become wealthy by serving your fellow man."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

User avatar
Dooom35796821595
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9309
Founded: Sep 11, 2011
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Dooom35796821595 » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:03 am

They need to distribute a leaflet informing the homeless of how great it is in Texas..... ;)
When life gives you lemons, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN!
Anything can be justified if it is cool. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all in your way.
"Your methods are stupid! Your progress has been stupid! Your intelligence is stupid! For the sake of the mission, you must be terminated!”

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 159117
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:18 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:
If you could walk to the shelter for the night, then you could have walked for the food right :eyebrow:


Shelter? Hah. What makes you think that there were shelter beds available? There are an estimated 36,000 to 54,000 homeless people in the city of Los Angeles. There are approximately 2,000 shelter beds. Even then, you have to be prepared to expose yourself to the untold dangers of Skid Row if you're "lucky" enough to find a bed in one.

I'm sure 18-27 homeless people could each share a bed.

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58281
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:07 am

Ifreann wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Shelter? Hah. What makes you think that there were shelter beds available? There are an estimated 36,000 to 54,000 homeless people in the city of Los Angeles. There are approximately 2,000 shelter beds. Even then, you have to be prepared to expose yourself to the untold dangers of Skid Row if you're "lucky" enough to find a bed in one.

I'm sure 18-27 homeless people could each share a bed.

You are thinking too low, obviously we can fit 50-60 per bed who can also share the same four meals.
Last edited by The Huskar Social Union on Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


User avatar
Shaggai
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9342
Founded: Mar 27, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Shaggai » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:37 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm sure 18-27 homeless people could each share a bed.

You are thinking too low, obviously we can fit 50-60 per bed who can also share the same four meals.

Four meals? Three meals a day week is enough for any decent citizen.
piss

User avatar
Des-Bal
Post Czar
 
Posts: 32099
Founded: Jan 24, 2010
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Des-Bal » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:01 pm

There are a lot of homeless people in my area. A lot of them are perfectly fine people who are having a hard time. Some of them are violent criminals. Some of them are severely mentally ill. Some are a lovely combination of the two. There's a real push to look more kindly upon the homeless and I think that's great but basic realities remain the same. I don't want homeless people congregating in parks because even though I frequently interact with a couple of good ones I also know that they tend to make people uncomfortable and tend to commit crimes.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos

User avatar
Rebellious Fishermen
Diplomat
 
Posts: 863
Founded: Aug 19, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:52 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:Whats wrong with feeding the homeless?


From what I understand it's because the homeless could be taken advantage off by people handing out poisonous food to kill them with. Otherwise I don't really know and on the surface it seems like a very stupid law.

User avatar
Scomagia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 18703
Founded: Apr 14, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Scomagia » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:54 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:A good opportunity for some non-violent direct political action - feed the homeless in defiance of the law.

Yep, a little civil disobedience seems to be in order.
Insert trite farewell here

User avatar
Furry Alairia and Algeria
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 21009
Founded: Apr 05, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:00 pm

This is the 563rd time I lost my faith in Humanity, 2nd time for Ft. Lauderdale.
In memory of Dyakovo - may he never be forgotten - Дьяковожс ученик


I do not reply to telegrams, unless you are someone I know.

User avatar
Salus Maior
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27813
Founded: Jun 16, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:01 pm

Sigh....Florida.

On a semi-related note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc-lA-S9qkA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNaLkDu ... 7u5UFDnCeg And yes, these are all real headlines :P
Last edited by Salus Maior on Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Traditionalist Catholic, Constitutional Monarchist, Habsburg Nostalgic, Distributist, Disillusioned Millennial.

"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

User avatar
Rebellious Fishermen
Diplomat
 
Posts: 863
Founded: Aug 19, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:03 pm

Des-Bal wrote:There are a lot of homeless people in my area. A lot of them are perfectly fine people who are having a hard time. Some of them are violent criminals. Some of them are severely mentally ill. Some are a lovely combination of the two. There's a real push to look more kindly upon the homeless and I think that's great but basic realities remain the same. I don't want homeless people congregating in parks because even though I frequently interact with a couple of good ones I also know that they tend to make people uncomfortable and tend to commit crimes.


I'm willing to bet most people feel the same despite what they are going to actually admit. Few people actually like homeless people or feel comfortable around them.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Arvenia, Democratic Poopland, Greater Miami Shores 3, Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum, Necroghastia, Umeria, Yomet

Advertisement

Remove ads