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Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:59 pm**

Infected Mushroom wrote:the streets would be filled with smoke, gunpowder, steel pellets, blood, screams and death...

that would not be cool.

No, we must restrict guns so that only the government (with its trained policemen upholding solemn vows of Justice) can have them

encouraging a Battle Royale is not the way to go

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:00 pm**

T Roosevelt wrote:
Lingang wrote:People should do whatever they want. That much should be obvious to anyone with half a brain. However, I'd recommend pepper spray for public use.

I don't see the point of this thread.

That's ridiculous, you would let your female relatives walks out in the dead of night with tiny little pepper spray? That's a bug bite, it's a mosquito. Pepper spray doesn't stop those repeating culprits either.

I think the dead of night is a little different than walking on city streets in broad daylight. Would you walk out of the house every day with an AK-47? Or have a pistol strapped to your waist in a Walmart or the grocery store?

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:01 pm**

I find it reasonable for every male, female, or intersex adult who is not extremely negligent, a violent criminal, or suffering from some sort of prohibitive mental or physical impairment to own and carry a firearm for self defense.

I don't particularly relate that to the issue of street harassment you mentioned. That, I think, will largely disappear when (and only when) the men seen in the video and those like them either choose to stop or are pressured to do so by their peers...so if you're someone around and see harassment going on, you can be part of the solution.

I do disagree with the notion that some people seem to be expressing that any talking to someone on the street equals harassment.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:01 pm**

The Sotoan Union wrote:Every woman can buy a gun. But how are you going to just give them one?

More guns than people have been manufactured already so it could be done through the mail but the guns need to be handled first so they don't accidentally go off.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:01 pm**

Kernen wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:And Martial arts training works wonders. However if you want a weapon carry a knife that cuts at all times.

Guns are more effective then knives in that they don't rely on physical prowess as much. That's a terrible idea.

Compulsory gun ownership is as dumb as a full ban on them, so no. But I'd still rather see more dead predators then women who find themselves victims.

You've never trained in knives have you? The thing is with a knife one cut will make the enemy bleed out which it is intended for. Though I understand not all women want training but if we won't fix this through fixing society then too bad.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:01 pm**

New Aerios wrote:Any person who wants to carry a gun should be able to do so, yes*. I don't support making it mandatory, I don't support arming people based on sex, and I don't like the general tone of the OP linking these plans to arm all women to that video, and the subtle implications coming from such a link that women should shoot people for talking to them in public.

Pretty much this.

*:Though with the usual caveats about not arming felons or crazy people.

Regardless of who's packing heat and why, proper self-defense starts with situational awareness. Actual force -- guns, knives, the traditional knee to the knuts

-- is the last line of defense. Anybody can learn to be aware of what's going on around them, and there are fewer bad consequences to over-reacting to a harmless situation by doing so (relative to waving weapons at people).

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:01 pm**

Lingang wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:That's ridiculous, you would let your female relatives walks out in the dead of night with tiny little pepper spray? That's a bug bite, it's a mosquito. Pepper spray doesn't stop those repeating culprits either.

I think the dead of night is a little different than walking on city streets in broad daylight. Would you walk out of the house every day with an AK-47? Or have a pistol strapped to your waist in a Walmart or the grocery store?

What's wrong with a pistol on the hip? I nearly always have one on mine, and that causes me no problems.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:02 pm**

T Roosevelt wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Every woman can buy a gun. But how are you going to just give them one?

More guns than people have been manufactured already so it could be done through the mail but the guns need to be handled first so they don't accidentally go off.

Who pays for this?

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:03 pm**

The Sotoan Union wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:More guns than people have been manufactured already so it could be done through the mail but the guns need to be handled first so they don't accidentally go off.

Who pays for this?

The OP. He's paying for this party. /nods

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:04 pm**

The Flood wrote:You thought her outfit was provocative? Are you kidding? She was dressed quite modestly man.

Her entire outfit wasn't provocative, it was just the tight jeans.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:04 pm**

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
Kernen wrote:
Guns are more effective then knives in that they don't rely on physical prowess as much. That's a terrible idea.

Compulsory gun ownership is as dumb as a full ban on them, so no. But I'd still rather see more dead predators then women who find themselves victims.

You've never trained in knives have you? The thing is with a knife one cut will make the enemy bleed out which it is intended for. Though I understand not all women want training but if we won't fix this through fixing society then too bad.

Nope, my training involved boomsticks, and I'll take the range a firearm gives me any day over the reach of my arm. A pistol doesn't require the same strength, dexterity, or speed a knife does. Nor does it take the same degree of formal training. Efficiency remains with the firearm.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:05 pm**

Kernen wrote:
Lingang wrote:I think the dead of night is a little different than walking on city streets in broad daylight. Would you walk out of the house every day with an AK-47? Or have a pistol strapped to your waist in a Walmart or the grocery store?

What's wrong with a pistol on the hip? I nearly always have one on mine, and that causes me no problems.

That might scare a lot of people away. You look intimidating with a gun strapped to you. Me personally, I would steer clear of anyone in public who totes guns around like they're nothing. And lets not even delve into the problems of letting everyone carry a loaded gun in public...

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:05 pm**

The Sotoan Union wrote:
T Roosevelt wrote:More guns than people have been manufactured already so it could be done through the mail but the guns need to be handled first so they don't accidentally go off.

Who pays for this?

Me, with my tax money.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:05 pm**

T Roosevelt wrote:
Distruzio wrote:Every woman who wants one and can afford one, yes. Otherwise, a brick in the purse works wonders.

You're darn right.

This.

Mostly because I can't argue against Teddy, but yes this.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:06 pm**

Lingang wrote:
Kernen wrote:What's wrong with a pistol on the hip? I nearly always have one on mine, and that causes me no problems.

That might scare a lot of people away. You look intimidating with a gun strapped to you. Me personally, I would steer clear of anyone in public who totes guns around like they're nothing. And lets not even delve into the problems of letting everyone carry a loaded gun in public...

Ah, I see your point. No, I conceal carry. Big difference. I don't condone open carry. My bad! :blush:

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:06 pm**

I have nothing against women or anyone owning guns for the sake of recreational shooting or even aesthetic/historical value, provided that they are legally competent haven't committed any crimes.

But carrying a gun for self defence is neither necessary nor likely to be effective for most people, male or female.

Even police officers don't benefit all that much from handguns. Of 44 police officers shot dead in 2012 in the US, only 7 managed to return fire with their sidearm. Most didn't even have the opportunity to reach for their side arm.

Sexual predators are called sexual predators for a reason, they wait for an opportunity to attack, they wait until they have an overwhelming advantage. Rapists don't hide in bushes, they are usually acquainted with their victims and have earned some level of trust they then abuse, they wait until their victims are very close to them and alone.

Even when expecting an attack and carrying a pistol in an external holster, a shooter needs to be at least 7 meters away from an attacker armed with a knife/fist to be able to shoot him.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:07 pm**

T Roosevelt wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Who pays for this?

Me, with my tax money.

As long as I don't have to pay for it with my tax money.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:07 pm**

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:That brings the question:
"Should every man have a gun?"

Every man and women should have a gun, it's a natural part of an American education.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:09 pm**

Kernen wrote:
Lingang wrote:That might scare a lot of people away. You look intimidating with a gun strapped to you. Me personally, I would steer clear of anyone in public who totes guns around like they're nothing. And lets not even delve into the problems of letting everyone carry a loaded gun in public...

Ah, I see your point. No, I conceal carry. Big difference. I don't condone open carry. My bad!

It's all good. Just a little misunderstanding.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:10 pm**

No, for the very compelling reason that it isn't effective and statistically backfires against them.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:10 pm**

Seno Zhou Varada wrote:
Kernen wrote:
Guns are more effective then knives in that they don't rely on physical prowess as much. That's a terrible idea.

Compulsory gun ownership is as dumb as a full ban on them, so no. But I'd still rather see more dead predators then women who find themselves victims.

You've never trained in knives have you? The thing is with a knife one cut will make the enemy bleed out which it is intended for. Though I understand not all women want training but if we won't fix this through fixing society then too bad.

Knives are generally inferior to firearms for self-defense. Successful self-defense relies on STOPPING an attacker, not killing them. Someone bleeding out after seriously harming or killing you is a failure. Stopping someone before they can do their damage is success

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:12 pm**

Fire guns are absolutely unnecessary, pepper spray would do it for most problems.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:13 pm**

WestRedMaple wrote:
Seno Zhou Varada wrote:You've never trained in knives have you? The thing is with a knife one cut will make the enemy bleed out which it is intended for. Though I understand not all women want training but if we won't fix this through fixing society then too bad.

Knives are generally inferior to firearms for self-defense. Successful self-defense relies on STOPPING an attacker, not killing them. Someone bleeding out after seriously harming or killing you is a failure. Stopping someone before they can do their damage is success

You don't know where I mean. These places will kill the attacker fast and leave them in tremedous amounts of pain. The back of the thighs there are arteries, same with the shoulders near the neck. Have general knowledge of arteries and where they go and bam they're dead or dying. And guns aren't good for overly close range aka point blank.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:13 pm**

Mavorpen wrote:No, for the very compelling reason that it isn't effective and statistically backfires against them.

Not because it's a frankly ridiculous solution to a problem caused by men?

Men can't contain themselves and women may be threatened when they reject their 'advances'?

The answer isn't arming women. The answer is fixing whatever the fuck it is wrong with society that causes men to have so little respect for women that they believe that women owe them a fuck just because they said they had a nice smile or whatever and get angry and violent when it turns out that women have a different view of things.

Posted: **Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:13 pm**

Tule wrote:Even police officers don't benefit all that much from handguns. Of 44 police officers shot dead in 2012 in the US, only 7 managed to return fire with their sidearm. Most didn't even have the opportunity to reach for their side arm.

Careful there: you may be looking into the wrong end of the telescope. Starting with the dead cops does kinda assume they lost that battle, yes? You need to look at all cases of police encountering armed suspects and see how they turned out.

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