Poppy seller burned

[Margno]

Ethnic backgrounds have nothing to do with attacks.

You may want to dispute my interpretation of the events but by god don't just ignore reality. It may not have been a factor in this attack, as alcohol may not have been a factor, but ethnic background certainly has an effect on attacks.

So basically, you're a racist.

[Brillnuck]

Sounds like a motivated crime, but as tempting as it may be, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion simply because of who was attacked, and the ethnicity of the attacker.

described as black or Asian

Doesn't exactly narrow it down. Even if it is motivated, the armed forces have been involved in a lot of conflicts.

I have to agree that it might have been due to conflicts.

[MERIZoC]

Wasn't there an incident when a war memorial was damaged a few years ago?
All crimes related to discriminating Remembrance Day are terrible, and should be considered a form of high treason, in my opinion.

Oh boy, here we go again.

[Lordieth]

Sounds like a motivated crime, but as tempting as it may be, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion simply because of who was attacked, and the ethnicity of the attacker.



Doesn't exactly narrow it down. Even if it is motivated, the armed forces have been involved in a lot of conflicts.

I have to agree that it might have been due to conflicts.

Yes, it seems that way, but there aren't enough facts to conclude that. On balance of probability it seems likely, but then, what conflict? Asian or black? He was also wearing a hooded top. Very little to go on here. If you assume it's a revenge-attack, then you're filling in blanks and assuming information that isn't there, and regardless of how it looks, the information is lacking.

People get attacked all the time, most aren't reported. This clearly has been reported because it's seen as significant due to the circumstances, but the reporter knows just as much as we do.

[The Emerald Dragon]

It might've been racially motivated, I don't think so though.

It was probably more hatred towards the British Army than anything.

[Farnhamia]

It might've been racially motivated, I don't think so though.

It was probably more hatred towards the British Army than anything.

Or the fact that the suspect was apparently drunk (he was reported as staggering).

[Calimera II]

What the heck Britain.

[The Emerald Dragon]

It might've been racially motivated, I don't think so though.

It was probably more hatred towards the British Army than anything.

Or the fact that the suspect was apparently drunk (he was reported as staggering).

Could be, but the man apparently only attacked an Army Cadet.

[New Connorstantinople]

Sounds like a motivated crime, but as tempting as it may be, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion simply because of who was attacked, and the ethnicity of the attacker.

described as black or Asian

Doesn't exactly narrow it down. Even if it is motivated, the armed forces have been involved in a lot of conflicts.

Largely what i was thinking.

We have: a youth in military clothing attacked by a melanin-enriched gentleman in a country with a growing worry of jihadists.
I humbly suggest that this MAY be a islam-motivated crime.

[Vassenor]

So despite all the potential factors to the contrary, such as the alcohol, this was clearly motivated by the fact that the attacker is potentially of Asian extraction and so is genetically programmed to hate anything tangentially related to the British military.

Right.

[Fionnuala_Saoirse]

As much as i've a great dislike of the whole poppy crap anyway i'm not going to support spraying fire at a kids face. Best not to stoop to the level of those one has a problem with.

[Scomagia]

It might've been racially motivated, I don't think so though.

It was probably more hatred towards the British Army than anything.

Or the fact that the suspect was apparently drunk (he was reported as staggering).

If there was a suspect at all. "Black or Asian" is so vague(not to mention the fact that it's rather difficult to confuse those ethnic groups, or at least the common perception of those ethnic groups) that I'm not convinced there was an attacker at all.

[Avenio]

It might've been racially motivated, I don't think so though.

It was probably more hatred towards the British Army than anything.

Or the fact that the suspect was apparently drunk (he was reported as staggering).

Pfft. You say that as though being a radical Islamist and being very drunk in public are two pretty mutually exclusive things! It's not as though the Quran or Sunni fundamentalism/ISIS has some rather specific and pointed things to say about alcohol, no sireee bob.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Sounds like a motivated crime, but as tempting as it may be, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion simply because of who was attacked, and the ethnicity of the attacker.



Doesn't exactly narrow it down. Even if it is motivated, the armed forces have been involved in a lot of conflicts.

Largely what i was thinking.

We have: a youth in military clothing attacked by a melanin-enriched gentleman in a country with a growing worry of jihadists.
I humbly suggest that this MAY be a islam-motivated crime.

"Islam-motivated"

Really?

It was probably more a hatred of the armed forces than anything, I mean, the Qu'ran doesn't exactly mention the British armed forces.

[Ifreann]

So basically you're a racist.

No. Not at all.

Yes, entirely. You read that the attacker was black or Asian and thus assumed that they hate the armed forces and that that hatred motivated this attack. That's racist.

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Wasn't there an incident when a war memorial was damaged a few years ago?
All crimes related to discriminating Remembrance Day are terrible, and should be considered a form of high treason, in my opinion.

Good thing all those British soldiers fought and died to keep Britain free of an insane totalitarian dictatorship. Now worship them or go to jail forever.

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Sounds like a motivated crime, but as tempting as it may be, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion simply because of who was attacked, and the ethnicity of the attacker.



Doesn't exactly narrow it down. Even if it is motivated, the armed forces have been involved in a lot of conflicts.

Largely what i was thinking.

We have: a youth in military clothing attacked by a melanin-enriched gentleman in a country with a growing worry of jihadists.
I humbly suggest that this MAY be a islam-motivated crime.

Nothing says "Islam" like public drunkenness.

[New Connorstantinople]

You may want to dispute my interpretation of the events but by god don't just ignore reality. It may not have been a factor in this attack, as alcohol may not have been a factor, but ethnic background certainly has an effect on attacks.

So basically, you're a racist.

The ethnicity the subject comes from may be one in the islamic cultural sphere. The color of his skin matter not, but his cultural background very well might.

[Britanno]

An attacker from an ethnic background which has a much higher incidence, rightly or wrongly, of animosity towards the armed forces attacks an army cadet easily identified as such but no others in a busy street. I'm happy with this initial assumption which may or may not be later disproved.

No I'm sorry, but why the fuck does his ethnic background make him some sort of Al-Qaeda terrorist?

[Ifreann]

So basically, you're a racist.

The ethnicity the subject comes from may be one in the islamic cultural sphere. The color of his skin matter not, but his cultural background very well might.

Hey look! Two racists!

[Dumb Ideologies]

Nothing says "Islam" like public drunkenness.

Next we'll be hearing that there's a possible DNA link from a packet of pork scratchings and that he was on the way to a lapdancing club.

[Ifreann]

An attacker from an ethnic background which has a much higher incidence, rightly or wrongly, of animosity towards the armed forces attacks an army cadet easily identified as such but no others in a busy street. I'm happy with this initial assumption which may or may not be later disproved.

No I'm sorry, but why the fuck does his ethnic background make him some sort of Al-Qaeda terrorist?

Because racism.

[Patriarch]

An attacker from an ethnic background which has a much higher incidence, rightly or wrongly, of animosity towards the armed forces attacks an army cadet easily identified as such but no others in a busy street. I'm happy with this initial assumption which may or may not be later disproved.

No I'm sorry, but why the fuck does his ethnic background make him some sort of Al-Qaeda terrorist?

It doesn't. It increases the probability of it being a motivated attack against a specific target group.

[Glasgia]

While I will not take part in any remembrance day parades, as those who did not die in the fields of Flanders then went on to commit some of the most brutal genocides ever practised in the British Isles and many of those murderers and rapists are celebrated at these parades, I will buy a poppy and have taken part in some fundraising for veterans of our current conflicts. I do support this boy in raising money and appreciate the service he is doing.

However, there is no reason to believe that the offender was against this service. The report clearly states he was intoxicated and I do not believe we should jump to conclusions due to any ethnic background. This is a horrific crime, but not necessarily a "disgrace" to the tradition of remembrance poppies - Just a disgrace as any other crime of this level would be.

So basically you're a racist.

No. Not at all. Do you dispute that certain ethnic groups have a higher incidence of animosity towards the armed forces?

Yes. Yes I do. Could you please provide us with proof that a black man is more likely to feel animosity towards the armed forces than your average white male?

Sounds like a motivated crime, but as tempting as it may be, I'm not going to jump to the conclusion simply because of who was attacked, and the ethnicity of the attacker.



Doesn't exactly narrow it down. Even if it is motivated, the armed forces have been involved in a lot of conflicts.

Largely what i was thinking.

We have: a youth in military clothing attacked by a melanin-enriched gentleman in a country with a growing worry of jihadists.
I humbly suggest that this MAY be a islam-motivated crime.

Yes! That's it! He knew that we'd know he was a Jihadi, so he went against his religion and got drunk to disguise his nefarious Islamism! The perfect crime!

[New Connorstantinople]

No. Not at all.

Yes, entirely. You read that the attacker was black or Asian and thus assumed that they hate the armed forces and that that hatred motivated this attack. That's racist.

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Wasn't there an incident when a war memorial was damaged a few years ago?
All crimes related to discriminating Remembrance Day are terrible, and should be considered a form of high treason, in my opinion.

Good thing all those British soldiers fought and died to keep Britain free of an insane totalitarian dictatorship. Now worship them or go to jail forever.

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Largely what i was thinking.

We have: a youth in military clothing attacked by a melanin-enriched gentleman in a country with a growing worry of jihadists.
I humbly suggest that this MAY be a islam-motivated crime.

Nothing says "Islam" like public drunkenness.

Id figure you'd understand that the violent types that use religion for their justification MAY not totally fall in line with their written beliefs.

[MERIZoC]

So basically, you're a racist.

The ethnicity the subject comes from may be one in the islamic cultural sphere. The color of his skin matter not, but his cultural background very well might.

Amounts to the same thing. Racism, Islamophobia—both are bigotry.

[New Connorstantinople]

While I will not take part in any remembrance day parades, as those who did not die in the fields of Flanders then went on to commit some of the most brutal genocides ever practised in the British Isles and many of those murderers and rapists are celebrated at these parades, I will buy a poppy and have taken part in some fundraising for veterans of our current conflicts. I do support this boy in raising money and appreciate the service he is doing.

However, there is no reason to believe that the offender was against this service. The report clearly states he was intoxicated and I do not believe we should jump to conclusions due to any ethnic background. This is a horrific crime, but not necessarily a "disgrace" to the tradition of remembrance poppies - Just a disgrace as any other crime of this level would be.

No. Not at all. Do you dispute that certain ethnic groups have a higher incidence of animosity towards the armed forces?

Yes. Yes I do. Could you please provide us with proof that a black man is more likely to feel animosity towards the armed forces than your average white male?

Largely what i was thinking.

We have: a youth in military clothing attacked by a melanin-enriched gentleman in a country with a growing worry of jihadists.
I humbly suggest that this MAY be a islam-motivated crime.

Yes! That's it! He knew that we'd know he was a Jihadi, so he went against his religion and got drunk to disguise his nefarious Islamism! The perfect crime!

Is it so bad to suggest this may be the case? Im not calling for pogroms here, I'm just stating the obvious.
So quick to attack...