I did spread a rumor that the Liverpool FC team's new symbol would be the poppy.
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by Greed and Death » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:21 pm
by Quintium » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:21 pm
Twilight Imperium wrote:Ah. I think you're seeing a metanarrative where none exists - namely, that of intentionalism.
Or phrased less like an overeducated tosser, you're looking at this in terms of bipartisan politics, where I'm pretty sure we're just bullshitting about a crazy man.
by Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:21 pm
-The West Coast- wrote:Fartsniffage wrote:
You know something we don't?
I know that Britain has a minority of people that are incredibly violent with soldiers on Remembrance Day, and I know that they are often the ones that are desecrating sites of military memorials and wreaths and so on. Why can't anyone else see this at what it is? A violent terrorist attack.
by Vassenor » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:22 pm
by -The West Coast- » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:22 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:-The West Coast- wrote:I know that Britain has a minority of people that are incredibly violent with soldiers on Remembrance Day, and I know that they are often the ones that are desecrating sites of military memorials and wreaths and so on. Why can't anyone else see this at what it is? A violent terrorist attack.
Because I live in Manchester and have seen to number of violent attack that happen in the city centre on a regular basis?
by Greed and Death » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:23 pm
by Scomagia » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:25 pm
Quintium wrote:Twilight Imperium wrote:I'm still not sure what you think people are denying, here?
Downplaying and ridiculing ("he may have done it to himself", "that must have been one hell of a hangover"), not denying. And what you see here are not arguments, but interests at play. The original poster seems to have the ulterior motive of inserting law-and-order, patriotic, perhaps even slightly far-right beliefs into the public discourse. The people responding, on the other hand, see their relative progressivism attacked and will therefore downplay or attack whatever argument the original poster presented in order to defend their own point of view.
by -The West Coast- » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:26 pm
by Rabotnikisoyedinennyye » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:28 pm
by Greed and Death » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:29 pm
-The West Coast- wrote:greed and death wrote:Fast is saying it is Manchester, the most likely cause of violence is it being Manchester, possibly football hooligan related.
Wow Greed & Death, it sounds like you're all for the death of good, loyal and honest British soldiers and cadets and the erosion of the honor and memory the dead men and women who served in the past and present protecting their great nation. Congratulations!
by Land and Freedom » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:30 pm
-The West Coast- wrote:greed and death wrote:Fast is saying it is Manchester, the most likely cause of violence is it being Manchester, possibly football hooligan related.
Wow Greed & Death, it sounds like you're all for the death of good, loyal and honest British soldiers and cadets and the erosion of the honor and memory the dead men and women who served in the past and present protecting their great nation. Congratulations!
by -The West Coast- » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:30 pm
greed and death wrote:-The West Coast- wrote:Wow Greed & Death, it sounds like you're all for the death of good, loyal and honest British soldiers and cadets and the erosion of the honor and memory the dead men and women who served in the past and present protecting their great nation. Congratulations!
Because I explained what Fast's position was ?
Really ?
by Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:31 pm
by The Emerald Dragon » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:33 pm
by Quintium » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:33 pm
Scomagia wrote:Quintium wrote:
Downplaying and ridiculing ("he may have done it to himself", "that must have been one hell of a hangover"), not denying. And what you see here are not arguments, but interests at play. The original poster seems to have the ulterior motive of inserting law-and-order, patriotic, perhaps even slightly far-right beliefs into the public discourse. The people responding, on the other hand, see their relative progressivism attacked and will therefore downplay or attack whatever argument the original poster presented in order to defend their own point of view.
I merely mentioned that it is not established whether or not he was actually attacked. People have been known to intentionally injure themselves and then fabricate an assailant, such as a woman a few years back who threw acid into her own face. Politics had nothing to do with my post. I saw a potential explanation for the event that no one else had suggested so I put it out there.
by Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:34 pm
by The Emerald Dragon » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:34 pm
by Scomagia » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:34 pm
by Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:37 pm
by Scomagia » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:38 pm
Quintium wrote:Scomagia wrote:I merely mentioned that it is not established whether or not he was actually attacked. People have been known to intentionally injure themselves and then fabricate an assailant, such as a woman a few years back who threw acid into her own face. Politics had nothing to do with my post. I saw a potential explanation for the event that no one else had suggested so I put it out there.
Whether or not that's true - or, indeed, even somewhat credible - does not matter. The mere fact that you stepped in to doubt his account portrays you as one who is, perhaps, not as negative about immigration and multiculturalism as the general public. But in order to do that, you need to deflect or dismiss, for the sake of your own mental continuity, those stories which might conflict strongly with your narrative. The doubts expressed here, but on the other side of the divide also the people who agreed without a second thought, are just an expression of existing political loyalties.
You have no reason to doubt or speculate, and neither do the people who agree with the original poster's analysis of the situation. But you do. Now, I know you'll enter full denial now, and that is natural. But try to ask yourself why you felt the need to express your opinion and speculate about what happened. What's beneath the veneer in your case?
by The Emerald Dragon » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:42 pm
Rabotnikisoyedinennyye wrote:Good god.
I'm in the Royal Canadian Sea Cadets, and I was just selling poppies yesterday. I hope they find this prick, and then do what's necessary.
Also, my country uses poppies, and I do wear them.
by Vassenor » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:43 pm
by Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:44 pm
by The Emerald Dragon » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:44 pm
by Quintium » Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:45 pm
Scomagia wrote:Did you go to a special school to learn these superior strawman skills? Seriously, dial it back. My post had nothing to do with immigration, multiculturalism, or anything else you care to mention.
Scomagia wrote:Why did I call the reported version of events into account? Because people shouldn't take things as factual until they are proven to be so.
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