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(UK of GB and) NI General Election 2015

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Who will (would) you vote for?

DUP
9
11%
SF
22
27%
UUP
9
11%
SDLP
6
7%
Alliance
20
24%
Green Party
12
14%
TUV
2
2%
Other
3
4%
 
Total votes : 83

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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:02 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Sebastianbourg wrote:I am currently reading the piece of supposed proof you gave me; however, anything else you're interested in me reading in order to prove your claim should be provided by you.

I admit I am biased, so therefore I am only going to provide sources which back up my view.

I believed you to be a neutral actor, if you are would it not be better for you to do your own research?

1) I am biased too in favour the UK but I'm not biased enough to reject believable claims that can be backed (at this moment I don't think this claim can be backed;
2) I've actually decided to look for sources in order to not come off as a reality-rejecting Brit.

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Frazers
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Postby Frazers » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:02 pm

Ardoki wrote:

Yes? Your point?

I only have birth right to citizenship. I have not yet passed the examination to get actual citizenship (as neither of my parents are citizens).


:roll:

Sure kid.

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Ardoki
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:03 pm

Frazers wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Yes? Your point?

I only have birth right to citizenship. I have not yet passed the examination to get actual citizenship (as neither of my parents are citizens).


:roll:

Sure kid.

My father is Russian, and my mother is Irish. Therefore I cannot claim to be an actual citizen, only a citizen by birth right.
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Britanno
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Postby Britanno » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:05 pm

UUP because they're the closest you get to the Tories (I think?).
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:05 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#Restricted_jus_soli

As you can see, Australia has restricted Jus Soli. Which means I am not technically a citizen yet, though I can claim it eventually.
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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:07 pm

Britanno wrote:UUP because they're the closest you get to the Tories (I think?).

There's the Northern Ireland Conservatives.
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Frazers
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Postby Frazers » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:07 pm

Ardoki wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#Restricted_jus_soli

As you can see, Australia has restricted Jus Soli. Which means I am not technically a citizen yet, though I can claim it eventually.


Uh huh

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Ardoki
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:08 pm

Frazers wrote:
Ardoki wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#Restricted_jus_soli

As you can see, Australia has restricted Jus Soli. Which means I am not technically a citizen yet, though I can claim it eventually.


Uh huh

Good, you understand it now comrade.
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Fionnuala_Saoirse
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:18 pm

Sinn Fein

Some reasons :

1. Voting for a party that has an excellent track record of diligent work for constituents
2. Representatives are by and large well educated
3. They aren't christian extremist wankers
4. The intricacies of the peace process and the delicate balance of power in NI really does mean that SF have more of an influence on the PM, etc than they would if they were a boring party from England with a 0.77% share
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Nadkor
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Postby Nadkor » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:24 pm

Frazers wrote:
Ardoki wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#Restricted_jus_soli

As you can see, Australia has restricted Jus Soli. Which means I am not technically a citizen yet, though I can claim it eventually.


Uh huh


Well this whole detour just seems entirely relevant.
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Frazers
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Postby Frazers » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:27 pm

Nadkor wrote:
Frazers wrote:
Uh huh


Well this whole detour just seems entirely relevant.


Edgy foreign kids claiming understanding is always worth a chuckle

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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:28 pm

I couldn't find anything proving there was gerrymandering in the 1998 referendum; in the 1920s it was rampant but I firmly believe (and at this moment can prove) that gerrymandering wasn't an issue in 1998.

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Avaerilon
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Postby Avaerilon » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:30 pm

Alliance; liberal and non-sectarian.
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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:30 pm

Alliance, they're moderate and nonsectarian.
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Sebastianbourg
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:31 pm

Frazers wrote:
Nadkor wrote:
Well this whole detour just seems entirely relevant.


Edgy foreign kids claiming understanding is always worth a chuckle

Some Eastern Ukrainians probably call us whatever edgy foreign kid is in Russian!

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:25 am

Not sure, i think People before Profit is too small to be running for it, but if they are ill vote for them. If not then idk.
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Arglorand
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Postby Arglorand » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:30 am

Dejanic wrote:Either SDLP or Sinn Féin, probably the latter.

Tiocfaidh ár lá.

Aye, this. Although maybe I would much rather prefer SDLP - Sinn Féin's links to the IRA still do rather put me off sometimes.

Not because I agree with Irish unification but because I actually, believe it or not, like their platforms.
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New Catalonia
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Postby New Catalonia » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:30 am

I support a united Ireland only as long as the Northern Irish people do, which it is my understanding they currently don't.

If I was Northern Irish, I would support the SDLP because they are more moderate than Sinn Féin (but I think they might be my second choice). However, Alliance would be high on my list because I think that sectarianism is stupid.
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Wolfmanne
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Postby Wolfmanne » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:33 am

Probably either Ulster Unionist Party or the Alliance Party. SDLP if I was pissed off with both.
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Angleter
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Postby Angleter » Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:03 am

Can someone explain the differences (in current policy terms - I'm fully aware of their origins and the fact that the UUP is basically moribund) between the UUP and DUP?
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Bandwagon
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Postby Bandwagon » Sat Oct 25, 2014 5:09 am

Sinn Féin.
The others suck eggs.
Especially DUP/TUV/UUP/Greens.
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The State of Deseret
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Postby The State of Deseret » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:12 am

Either Alliance or UUP
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Svatantra Mulukama
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:52 am

Angleter wrote:Can someone explain the differences (in current policy terms - I'm fully aware of their origins and the fact that the UUP is basically moribund) between the UUP and DUP?


The UUP is centre right, and the DUP is more right wing, more socially conservative, and much more eurosceptic. It's almost like the difference between the Tories and UKIP.
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Olivaero
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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:20 am

I'd vote the same party that I most likely will do in the UK wide election, the Green party.


Bandwagon wrote:Sinn Féin.
The others suck eggs.
Especially DUP/TUV/UUP/Greens.

Whats wrong with the Greens?
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Bandwagon
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Postby Bandwagon » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:44 am

Olivaero wrote:I'd vote the same party that I most likely will do in the UK wide election, the Green party.


Bandwagon wrote:Sinn Féin.
The others suck eggs.
Especially DUP/TUV/UUP/Greens.

Whats wrong with the Greens?

The Greens in Ireland are one of the parties who have corrupted our country. The Greens participated in the 2007-2011 Fianna Fáil Coalition, the government who broke Ireland.
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