(UK of GB and) NI General Election 2015

[Sebastianbourg]

His membership or lack thereof can be questioned.

You're not great with sarcasm are you

His post history suggests he's American.

[Chucky Arla]

Sinn Fein are traitors to the cause but sadly the alternative to not supporting them is worse.

[Geilinor]

Sinn Fein are traitors to the cause but sadly the alternative to not supporting them is worse.

The cause is gone.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Sinn Fein are traitors to the cause but sadly the alternative to not supporting them is worse.

Peace is better than war.

[Tayrona]

Whoever are most alike the British Conservative Party. UUP?

[Chucky Arla]

Sinn Fein are traitors to the cause but sadly the alternative to not supporting them is worse.

The cause is gone.

The cause never dies until all goals are achieved.

[Chucky Arla]

Sinn Fein are traitors to the cause but sadly the alternative to not supporting them is worse.

Peace is better than war.

There is no situation you can imagine where war is necessary?

[Svatantra Mulukama]

Whoever are most alike the British Conservative Party. UUP?

I'd say so. But, the UUP is significantly more eurosceptic, and arguably slightly more right wing. The key word there is slightly.

[Sebastianbourg]

Peace is better than war.

There is no situation you can imagine where war is necessary?

Why is it necessary? Is it to feed your mindless nationalism? Or your ego? Do you really think people should die just so that one day you can go to Belfast and see the Irish flag flying from a distant flagpole on top of the City Hall? Not only that but you'd have the loyalists in the same position you consider yourself to be currently; that of an underdog oppressed continuously.

[Chucky Arla]

There is no situation you can imagine where war is necessary?

Why is it necessary? Is it to feed your mindless nationalism? Or your ego? Do you really think people should die just so that one day you can go to Belfast and see the Irish flag flying from a distant flagpole on top of the City Hall? Not only that but you'd have the loyalists in the same position you consider yourself to be currently; that of an underdog oppressed continuously.

Who on earth said anything about a reversal of positions? They would be more than welcome to equal rights in a United Ireland. They may be reviled and mocked by many but their rights would be maintained. I don't think just any people should die to bring about such change. I'm happy with only the important key players who work to uphold a mockery of a state.

[Geilinor]

Why is it necessary? Is it to feed your mindless nationalism? Or your ego? Do you really think people should die just so that one day you can go to Belfast and see the Irish flag flying from a distant flagpole on top of the City Hall? Not only that but you'd have the loyalists in the same position you consider yourself to be currently; that of an underdog oppressed continuously.

Who on earth said anything about a reversal of positions? They would be more than welcome to equal rights in a United Ireland. They may be reviled and mocked by many but their rights would be maintained. I don't think just any people should die to bring about such change. I'm happy with only the important key players who work to uphold a mockery of a state.

What if they don't want a United Ireland?

[Chucky Arla]

Who on earth said anything about a reversal of positions? They would be more than welcome to equal rights in a United Ireland. They may be reviled and mocked by many but their rights would be maintained. I don't think just any people should die to bring about such change. I'm happy with only the important key players who work to uphold a mockery of a state.

What if they don't want a United Ireland?

They can vote within a United Ireland to try and renew the old borders. An Eire Nua style would be my preference to give them some balm for their wounds.

[Sebastianbourg]

What if they don't want a United Ireland?

They can vote within a United Ireland to try and renew the old borders. An Eire Nua style would be my preference to give them some balm for their wounds.

Why not have a referendum similar to Scotland's to further legitimatise the 1998 one and/or solve this issue for once and for all? The OP said there's no mandate for it but I suppose it could be arranged in some way.

[Sebastianbourg]

What if they don't want a United Ireland?

They can vote within a United Ireland to try and renew the old borders. An Eire Nua style would be my preference to give them some balm for their wounds.

What if they don't want to be part of an Irish federation? What if they simply want their status or more autonomy within the UK or total independence (I know the latter isn't very popular)?

[Chucky Arla]

They can vote within a United Ireland to try and renew the old borders. An Eire Nua style would be my preference to give them some balm for their wounds.

Why not have a referendum similar to Scotland's to further legitimatise the 1998 one and/or solve this issue for once and for all? The OP said there's no mandate for it but I suppose it could be arranged in some way.

That would do nothing to legitimise the 1998 one. The real mistake they made was to have borders drawn up without consulting the people of Ireland.

[Chucky Arla]

They can vote within a United Ireland to try and renew the old borders. An Eire Nua style would be my preference to give them some balm for their wounds.

What if they don't want to be part of an Irish federation? What if they simply want their status or more autonomy within the UK or total independence (I know the latter isn't very popular)?

Then they're welcome to seek support within the Irish state to achieve their aims.

[Sebastianbourg]

What if they don't want to be part of an Irish federation? What if they simply want their status or more autonomy within the UK or total independence (I know the latter isn't very popular)?

Then they're welcome to seek support within the Irish state to achieve their aims.

I don't agree with you. They should have the referendum with their current status and decide on whether they want to become part of the Republic of Ireland, keep their current status within the UK, devo-max or just independence.

[Sebastianbourg]

Why not have a referendum similar to Scotland's to further legitimatise the 1998 one and/or solve this issue for once and for all? The OP said there's no mandate for it but I suppose it could be arranged in some way.

That would do nothing to legitimise the 1998 one. The real mistake they made was to have borders drawn up without consulting the people of Ireland.

Without consulting the people of Northern Ireland; Dublin has nothing to do with this. The inhabitants of Northern Ireland should be the only ones with the right to vote in this hypothetical referendum.

[Chucky Arla]

That would do nothing to legitimise the 1998 one. The real mistake they made was to have borders drawn up without consulting the people of Ireland.

Without consulting the people of Northern Ireland; Dublin has nothing to do with this. The inhabitants of Northern Ireland should be the only ones with the right to vote in this hypothetical referendum.

I'm not talking about a hypothetical future referendum. I'm talking about the fruition of the occupied six counties.

[Chucky Arla]

They should have the referendum with their current status

Why?

[Sebastianbourg]

They should have the referendum with their current status

Why?

What if they vote against joining the Republic of Ireland? Just give them the opportunity to vote and let them decide whether they want to stay in the UK, join the Irish Republic or become independent (very unlikely).

[Old Tyrannia]

Whoever are most alike the British Conservative Party. UUP?

I'd say so. But, the UUP is significantly more eurosceptic, and arguably slightly more right wing. The key word there is slightly.

Again, why not just vote for the Northern Ireland Conservatives? Jesus.

[Svatantra Mulukama]

I'd say so. But, the UUP is significantly more eurosceptic, and arguably slightly more right wing. The key word there is slightly.

Again, why not just vote for the Northern Ireland Conservatives? Jesus.

If you're a centre rightist, I don't see why not. Although, they probably won't make it into the NI parliament anytime soon.

[Frazers]

I'd say so. But, the UUP is significantly more eurosceptic, and arguably slightly more right wing. The key word there is slightly.

Again, why not just vote for the Northern Ireland Conservatives? Jesus.

Its a complete waste of a vote and unionism doesn't need any fracturing right now thanks.

[Nadkor]

Why is it that all the left-wing parties are nationalist/support a United Ireland and all the right-wing parties are unionist/support a United Kingdom?

Which is the party that is center-left but supports the union with GB? Would it be the Alliance Party?

Welcome to my dilemma.

It's why I wanted NI21 to work out, even if it always had the air of being doomed from the start about it.