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Who will (would) you vote for?

DUP
9
11%
SF
22
27%
UUP
9
11%
SDLP
6
7%
Alliance
20
24%
Green Party
12
14%
TUV
2
2%
Other
3
4%
 
Total votes : 83

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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:48 am

Olivaero wrote:I'd vote the same party that I most likely will do in the UK wide election, the Green party.


Bandwagon wrote:Sinn Féin.
The others suck eggs.
Especially DUP/TUV/UUP/Greens.

Whats wrong with the Greens?

They're republicans, they oppose nuclear power, and they want to legalise marijuana. That's why I hate them; I can't speak for the poster you quoted.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:49 am

I hope Alliance wins as usual.
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Aurea
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Postby Aurea » Sat Oct 25, 2014 7:56 am

Why is it that all the left-wing parties are nationalist/support a United Ireland and all the right-wing parties are unionist/support a United Kingdom?

Which is the party that is center-left but supports the union with GB? Would it be the Alliance Party?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:01 am

Aurea wrote:Why is it that all the left-wing parties are nationalist/support a United Ireland and all the right-wing parties are unionist/support a United Kingdom?

Which is the party that is center-left but supports the union with GB? Would it be the Alliance Party?


It's a cultural context kind of thing.
The left was anti-britain because of imperialism. It stuck.
It means that if you are left wing and pro-britain, you have to bite the bullet and either vote right wing, or vote pro-ireland.

It's kind of like how a lot of the left is dealing with baggage from opposing nuclear power, because the culture they are from used to be pro-USSR and anti-western nuclear power.
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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:02 am

Aurea wrote:Why is it that all the left-wing parties are nationalist/support a United Ireland and all the right-wing parties are unionist/support a United Kingdom?

Which is the party that is center-left but supports the union with GB? Would it be the Alliance Party?

The Alliance Party is non-sectarian. There is, however, the Progressive Unionist Party that might fulfil your needs.
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Aurea
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Postby Aurea » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:12 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Aurea wrote:Why is it that all the left-wing parties are nationalist/support a United Ireland and all the right-wing parties are unionist/support a United Kingdom?

Which is the party that is center-left but supports the union with GB? Would it be the Alliance Party?


It's a cultural context kind of thing.
The left was anti-britain because of imperialism. It stuck.
It means that if you are left wing and pro-britain, you have to bite the bullet and either vote right wing, or vote pro-ireland.

It's kind of like how a lot of the left is dealing with baggage from opposing nuclear power, because the culture they are from used to be pro-USSR and anti-western nuclear power.

I understand. I think if I was Northern Irish I would, like you said, bite the bullet and vote for the lesser of the two right-wing parties (UUP) because I support unionism more than economics (& DUP scares me). But I think Alliance Party would be a good middle choice though.
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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:30 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Olivaero wrote:I'd vote the same party that I most likely will do in the UK wide election, the Green party.



Whats wrong with the Greens?

They're republicans, they oppose nuclear power, and they want to legalise marijuana. That's why I hate them; I can't speak for the poster you quoted.

Can't imagine why you'd hate a party for wanting to legalise marijuana I disagree with their stance on republicanism and Nuclear power to a certain degree (nuclear power a whole lot more than republicanism) but they are pretty much dead on economically for me which gains them my support

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Olivaero wrote:I'd vote the same party that I most likely will do in the UK wide election, the Green party.



Whats wrong with the Greens?

The Greens in Ireland are one of the parties who have corrupted our country. The Greens participated in the 2007-2011 Fianna Fáil Coalition, the government who broke Ireland.

How is that relevant to the Green party in NI? The two party's share a name and cooperate sure just like all green parties everywhere do but blaming one Green party for a coalition that another green party took part in sounds pretty shaky to me.

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Aurea wrote:Why is it that all the left-wing parties are nationalist/support a United Ireland and all the right-wing parties are unionist/support a United Kingdom?

Which is the party that is center-left but supports the union with GB? Would it be the Alliance Party?


It's a cultural context kind of thing.
The left was anti-britain because of imperialism. It stuck.
It means that if you are left wing and pro-britain, you have to bite the bullet and either vote right wing, or vote pro-ireland.



Or vote Green...
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Postby Bandwagon » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:55 am

Olivaero wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:They're republicans, they oppose nuclear power, and they want to legalise marijuana. That's why I hate them; I can't speak for the poster you quoted.

Can't imagine why you'd hate a party for wanting to legalise marijuana I disagree with their stance on republicanism and Nuclear power to a certain degree (nuclear power a whole lot more than republicanism) but they are pretty much dead on economically for me which gains them my support

Bandwagon wrote:The Greens in Ireland are one of the parties who have corrupted our country. The Greens participated in the 2007-2011 Fianna Fáil Coalition, the government who broke Ireland.

How is that relevant to the Green party in NI? The two party's share a name and cooperate sure just like all green parties everywhere do but blaming one Green party for a coalition that another green party took part in sounds pretty shaky to me.

Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's a cultural context kind of thing.
The left was anti-britain because of imperialism. It stuck.
It means that if you are left wing and pro-britain, you have to bite the bullet and either vote right wing, or vote pro-ireland.



Or vote Green...

They are the same party.
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Postby Bandwagon » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:56 am

Bandwagon wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Can't imagine why you'd hate a party for wanting to legalise marijuana I disagree with their stance on republicanism and Nuclear power to a certain degree (nuclear power a whole lot more than republicanism) but they are pretty much dead on economically for me which gains them my support


How is that relevant to the Green party in NI? The two party's share a name and cooperate sure just like all green parties everywhere do but blaming one Green party for a coalition that another green party took part in sounds pretty shaky to me.



Or vote Green...

They are the same party.

I support the UK Greens/US Greens but not ours.
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Olivaero
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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:59 am

Bandwagon wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Can't imagine why you'd hate a party for wanting to legalise marijuana I disagree with their stance on republicanism and Nuclear power to a certain degree (nuclear power a whole lot more than republicanism) but they are pretty much dead on economically for me which gains them my support


How is that relevant to the Green party in NI? The two party's share a name and cooperate sure just like all green parties everywhere do but blaming one Green party for a coalition that another green party took part in sounds pretty shaky to me.



Or vote Green...

They are the same party.

I'm not seeing any mention of that in they are on their Wikipedia page and they have different chair people...
Bandwagon wrote:
Bandwagon wrote:They are the same party.

I support the UK Greens/US Greens but not ours.

I don't support the US Greens... They come off as kinda crazy.
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Postby Frazers » Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:01 am

Aurea wrote:Why is it that all the left-wing parties are nationalist/support a United Ireland and all the right-wing parties are unionist/support a United Kingdom?

Which is the party that is center-left but supports the union with GB? Would it be the Alliance Party?


The Republicans really pushed far left education in the prisons and subsequently those prisoners went on to form political parties.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:28 am

Olivaero wrote:I'd vote the same party that I most likely will do in the UK wide election, the Green party.


Bandwagon wrote:Sinn Féin.
The others suck eggs.
Especially DUP/TUV/UUP/Greens.

Whats wrong with the Greens?

I don't like the Greens because they're republicans although I do agree with them on some things.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:29 am

Aurea wrote:Why is it that all the left-wing parties are nationalist/support a United Ireland and all the right-wing parties are unionist/support a United Kingdom?

Which is the party that is center-left but supports the union with GB? Would it be the Alliance Party?

Alliance is a centre party but they're the closest it gets to a unionist (or neutral) left-wing party.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:31 am

Olivaero wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's a cultural context kind of thing.
The left was anti-britain because of imperialism. It stuck.
It means that if you are left wing and pro-britain, you have to bite the bullet and either vote right wing, or vote pro-ireland.



Or vote Green...

But the Greens are republicans and if you're pro-Britain then you're probably a monarchist.

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Postby Greater-London » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:42 am

Not especially well versed in Northern Irish politics but If I could I would probably vote Alliance as a liberal and non-sectarian party.
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Postby Benian Republic » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:41 am

I like most sinn feinn ideals
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Postby Kosovo-Pristina » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:45 am

Benian Republic wrote:I like most sinn feinn ideals

Your signature says you support the IRA so I not surprised you support Sinn Féinn and the bastard Gerry Adams.

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:46 am

Kosovo-Pristina wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:I like most sinn feinn ideals

Your signature says you support the IRA so I not surprised you support Sinn Féinn and the bastard Gerry Adams.

Oh no! Mate, don't do this please. Here comes the fight and the conflict. Besides you'll come off as an idiot because he's referring to the Irish Republican Army from 1917-1922 not the provisional one. Oh, you're making unionists look bad too but fortunately it is obvious you're not from Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland as you don't know the different Irish Republican armies.
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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:02 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Olivaero wrote:
Or vote Green...

But the Greens are republicans and if you're pro-Britain then you're probably a monarchist.

That's fair enough. Just saying though that the Green attitude is a pro UK one and not out of some sentimental attachment but because of the referendum thus upholding the spirit of self determination whilst being left wing and not liberal, their republican ideals are pretty much by the by as even in a hypothetical Green government I very much doubt the monarchy would be abolished without a referendum and if republicans can win a referendum then we should probably be without a monarchy anyway and I'm sure only a minority of monarchists would say otherwise.
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Postby Kosovo-Pristina » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:11 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
Kosovo-Pristina wrote:Your signature says you support the IRA so I not surprised you support Sinn Féinn and the bastard Gerry Adams.

Oh no! Mate, don't do this please. Here comes the fight and the conflict. Besides you'll come off as an idiot because he's referring to the Irish Republican Army from 1917-1922 not the provisional one. Oh, you're making unionists look bad too but fortunately it is obvious you're not from Northern Ireland or the Republic of Ireland as you don't know the different Irish Republican armies.

I am not Irish and I admit I screwed up on this one but this guy also has the SNLA in the pro section of his signature. The Scottish National Liberation Army! There's still the possibility he's referring to the Provisional IRA as the IRA.
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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:57 pm

Aurea wrote:Why is it that all the left-wing parties are nationalist/support a United Ireland and all the right-wing parties are unionist/support a United Kingdom?

Because most unionist supporters are unbelievable serfs who don't realise that working with Sinn Fein would probably get them more of what they want in their day-to-day lives.
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Postby Frazers » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:58 pm

Benian Republic wrote:I like most sinn feinn ideals


Such as?

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Postby Frazers » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:59 pm

Kosovo-Pristina wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:I like most sinn feinn ideals

Your signature says you support the IRA so I not surprised you support Sinn Féinn and the bastard Gerry Adams.


Sure Gerry was never in the IRA.........hahahhaha

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Postby Kosovo-Pristina » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:04 pm

Frazers wrote:
Kosovo-Pristina wrote:Your signature says you support the IRA so I not surprised you support Sinn Féinn and the bastard Gerry Adams.


Sure Gerry was never in the IRA.........hahahhaha

His membership or lack thereof can be questioned.

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Postby Frazers » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:05 pm

Kosovo-Pristina wrote:
Frazers wrote:
Sure Gerry was never in the IRA.........hahahhaha

His membership or lack thereof can be questioned.


You're not great with sarcasm are you

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