British 2015 general election poll

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

I was wondering, would it really be that bad if UKIP rose to power and made the UK leave the EU?

[Quintium]

Labour is the party of Rotherham and Miliband. Even in opposition, it's weak and it seems incompetent and dreamy.
The Conservatives have tried and failed, and are now increasingly desperate. It's always a bad idea to vote for people who are desperate.
The Greens are even more naive and idealistic, and therefore more destructive, than Labour.
The Lib Dems are like the Conservatives, but even worse at lying.
The SNP are crazy left-wing regionalists who think they'll never run out of oil.
Plaid Cymru is nice if you're from a rural part of Wales, I suppose, but they're no good for anyone else.
Respect is the most loony left-wing option there is, I think. Strangely, many of their voters are ultraconservative on a personal level (Bradford, or برادفورد) but see them as useful idiots.

So, go UKIP. Five years ago, people said they'd never even win a European Parliament election. One year ago, people said they'd never get into the House of Commons.
The sky is the limit, and if things take a turn for the worse Nigel Farage is the only party leader in Britain who knows how to survive a plane crash.

[Calimera II]

If I were a brit, my vote would go to the Conservatives or to the UKIP.

[Settrah]

I was wondering, would it really be that bad if UKIP rose to power and made the UK leave the EU?

The only bad thing I can see, is that the UK's current human rights law is because of the EU. So if we leave the EU, we lose our human rights law.

Or something like that.

[Settrah]

Labour is the party of Rotherham and Miliband. Even in opposition, it's weak and it seems incompetent and dreamy.
The Conservatives have tried and failed, and are now increasingly desperate. It's always a bad idea to vote for people who are desperate.
The Greens are even more naive and idealistic, and therefore more destructive, than Labour.
The Lib Dems are like the Conservatives, but even worse at lying.
The SNP are crazy left-wing regionalists who think they'll never run out of oil.
Plaid Cymru is nice if you're from a rural part of Wales, I suppose, but they're no good for anyone else.
Respect is the most loony left-wing option there is, I think. Strangely, many of their voters are ultraconservative on a personal level (Bradford, or برادفورد) but see them as useful idiots.

Pretty much agree with most of this: the Greens being hopelessly naive and idealistic, which will inevitably end in disaster; the Lib Dems being terrible liars; the SNP thinking their love for kilts and haggis will provide an eternal secondary fuel source indefinitely; Plaid Cymru being useless outside North Wales; and Resect trying to be left wing but end up needing to appeal to social conservative views to win in Islamic voters.

However there's just one thing I'm curious on, the Conservatives being desperate. I'm wondering as to what they've done specifically, that suggests that. By trying and failing, are you referring to Thatcherism?

So, go UKIP. Five years ago, people said they'd never even win a European Parliament election. One year ago, people said they'd never get into the House of Commons.
The sky is the limit, and if things take a turn for the worse Nigel Farage is the only party leader in Britain who knows how to survive a plane crash.

Farage is a good leader though, there's no denying that. And essentially that's what people want in a prime minister, a good leader.

[Quintium]

However there's just one thing I'm curious on, the Conservatives being desperate. I'm wondering as to what they've done specifically, that suggests that.

At the moment, they're trying to pander to the more conservative voters and the right-wing politicians in their own ranks, hoping to secure an increasingly unlikely victory in the general election. That's the tell-tale sign of a political party in turmoil, because it expresses the belief within the party that the party's current policies and public statements aren't sufficient to get enough voters to win an election. They think their regular promises, policies and remarks aren't sufficient anymore to secure a victory, and so they turn more extreme (which, paradoxically, will cost them a lot of voters in the long run, because if they head left then their right will jump ship and if they head right then their left will jump ship).

[The Joseon Dynasty]

UKIP. Labour seems limp and floppy. The Conservatives are all over the place. The LibDems are absolute gonners. And there's no one else.

[Settrah]

However there's just one thing I'm curious on, the Conservatives being desperate. I'm wondering as to what they've done specifically, that suggests that.

At the moment, they're trying to pander to the more conservative voters and the right-wing politicians in their own ranks, hoping to secure an increasingly unlikely victory in the general election. That's the tell-tale sign of a political party in turmoil, because it expresses the belief within the party that the party's current policies and public statements aren't sufficient to get enough voters to win an election. They think their regular promises, policies and remarks aren't sufficient anymore to secure a victory, and so they turn more extreme (which, paradoxically, will cost them a lot of voters in the long run, because if they head left then their right will jump ship and if they head right then their left will jump ship).

The Conservatives are a party torn with internal factions and conflict. One Nation Conservatives (liberal conservatives), Free Market Conservatives (neoliberal thatcherites) and Traditional Conservatives (monarchistic and religious, the only faction that can legitimately be called tory) seem at each others throats more than Conservatives are with Labour sometimes. This doesn't often help, when the entire party needs cohesion.

You could be right though, it could be Conservatives being desperate. But I always saw it as one faction not necessarily representing the views of another.

[Quintium]

You could be right though, it could be Conservatives being desperate. But I always saw it as one faction not necessarily representing the views of another.

I think the process you described is something that's brewing beneath the surface at all times for most political parties. As long as the party is doing well, the peace remains. But when the party seems to be losing ground and cracks appear in the surface, the internal divisions in a party become visible because one faction will try holding on to the status quo while another will try taking a rival party's voters by becoming more extreme. That's the tell-tale sign a party is not doing well even before the party plummets in the polls or loses an election.

[Settrah]

You could be right though, it could be Conservatives being desperate. But I always saw it as one faction not necessarily representing the views of another.

I think the process you described is something that's brewing beneath the surface at all times for most political parties. As long as the party is doing well, the peace remains. But when the party seems to be losing ground and cracks appear in the surface, the internal divisions in a party become visible because one faction will try holding on to the status quo while another will try taking a rival party's voters by becoming more extreme. That's the tell-tale sign a party is not doing well even before the party plummets in the polls or loses an election.

And I guess the Conservatives never really got voted into office this time around. It was a hung parliament that led to a ConLib coalition after Labour's leader (Gordon Brown) resigned.

It's a worrying state of affairs though, that I choose Conservative, simply because it's the best out of the shitpile that is the rest. I'm open minded to Ukip, but I just get a few warning signs. But I'm preparing myself for them to get in though, so I'm just sorta training myself to go along for the ride.

[The UK in Exile]

Thread is a good indicator of the UKIP mentality, late to the party and ignorant of what's come before but convinced they're right because they aren't listening to anything anyone else says anyway.

[Kelinfort]

Thread is a good indicator of the UKIP mentality, late to the party and ignorant of what's come before but convinced they're right because they aren't listening to anything anyone else says anyway.

They remind me of the Tea Party if they were a separate entity from the Republicans.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

UKIP really creeps me out, I have an intense dislike for them. I was in London during the European Elections this year, all the parties looked desperate.

Does anyone know does the UK Conservative Party compare to the Canadian Tories? There is a feeling around here that they are more Moderate than our Government.

[Second Russian Federation]

Thread is a good indicator of the UKIP mentality, late to the party and ignorant of what's come before but convinced they're right because they aren't listening to anything anyone else says anyway.

UKIP is just another populist protest party that people vote for when they feel like opposing their current government regardless of the politics of either side. These kinds of protest parties tend to be against matters concerning personal freedom and social equality, like abortion, immigration and gay marriage. Economic views vary from welfare capitalism to laissez-faire to third position. Parties like it are The Finns Party, Sweden Democrats, Danish People's Party, Party for a Better Hungary, Golden Dawn, National Front, Alternative for Germany, Democrats of Norway, National Renovator Party, Party for Freedom and Freedom Party of Austria among others and this list is just including parties in some European countries.

[Nadkor]

I think my position on Europe has changed.

If all the little Englanders, and all the xebophobes, and all the idiots want to leave then okay. Let's do it. Let's take the UK out of the EU. Frankly, everyone would be happier - the English as well as the other EU members who have got sick of the UK's moaning. Why not give people what they want.

And once that's done I'll move 45 minutes down the road and live in the EU again from where I can watch Scotland leave to get back in the EU and the rump UK die economically.

I think that keeps everyone happy.

[Chestaan]

You know what? I hope UKIP and the Conservatives get in next time. Maybe after another term of being shafted by the right will wake people up and both parties can die a much deserved death.

[The Yorkshire Commonwealth]

You know what? I hope UKIP and the Conservatives get in next time. Maybe after another term of being shafted by the right will wake people up and both parties can die a much deserved death.

Dude! If the Tories lose this election and Cameron get's the boot, the Conservative party will tear itself apart over Europe. The die-hard party members will demand an anti-EU leader, their financial backers and the logical-thinkers amongst the party will demand a pro-EU one, it will be the only issue of the leadership election, the next leader after Cameron will either be one proposing immediate withdrawal (without a refurendum or renegotiation), in which case the corporate press will ensure they're unelectable by hammering home the fiscal perils, or it will be a slightly pro-EU leader in which case scores of Tories will flock to UKIP, having been enraged and agitated during the leadership election.
They'll schism and split and crumble like the Liberals did a century before, giving Labour the political freedom they need in order to take this country back towards the light.


I may have overstated things slightly.

[Baltenstein]

You know what? I hope UKIP and the Conservatives get in next time. Maybe after another term of being shafted by the right will wake people up and both parties can die a much deserved death.

Dude! If the Tories lose this election and Cameron get's the boot, the Conservative party will tear itself apart over Europe. The die-hard party members will demand an anti-EU leader, their financial backers and the logical-thinkers amongst the party will demand a pro-EU one, it will be the only issue of the leadership election, the next leader after Cameron will either be one proposing immediate withdrawal (without a refurendum or renegotiation), in which case the corporate press will ensure they're unelectable by hammering home the fiscal perils, or it will be a slightly pro-EU leader in which case scores of Tories will flock to UKIP, having been enraged and agitated during the leadership election.
They'll schism and split and crumble like the Liberals did a century before, giving Labour the political freedom they need in order to take this country back towards the light.


I may have overstated things slightly.

All of this will result in Nigel Farage becoming Prime Minister and crowning Zombie Thatcher Queen Regent after the downfall of the Windsor dynasty.

At which point Alex Salmond will paint half his face blue and turn the Scottish cause into Guerilla warfare. *nods*

[The Nihilistic view]

Dude! If the Tories lose this election and Cameron get's the boot, the Conservative party will tear itself apart over Europe. The die-hard party members will demand an anti-EU leader, their financial backers and the logical-thinkers amongst the party will demand a pro-EU one, it will be the only issue of the leadership election, the next leader after Cameron will either be one proposing immediate withdrawal (without a refurendum or renegotiation), in which case the corporate press will ensure they're unelectable by hammering home the fiscal perils, or it will be a slightly pro-EU leader in which case scores of Tories will flock to UKIP, having been enraged and agitated during the leadership election.
They'll schism and split and crumble like the Liberals did a century before, giving Labour the political freedom they need in order to take this country back towards the light.


I may have overstated things slightly.

All of this will result in Nigel Farage becoming Prime Minister and crowning Zombie Thatcher Queen Regent after the downfall of the Windsor dynasty.

At which point Alex Salmond will paint half his face blue and turn the Scottish cause into Guerilla warfare. *nods*

[New England and The Maritimes]

Will the right wing party win, or the right wing party? What are the odds of an upset from the right wing party?

[Murkwood]

UKIP is too wacko and the Conservatives aren't right enough, so I'd probably vote for the Christian Party.

[The Nihilistic view]

You know what? I hope UKIP and the Conservatives get in next time. Maybe after another term of being shafted by the right will wake people up and both parties can die a much deserved death.

Dude! If the Tories lose this election and Cameron get's the boot, the Conservative party will tear itself apart over Europe. The die-hard party members will demand an anti-EU leader, their financial backers and the logical-thinkers amongst the party will demand a pro-EU one, it will be the only issue of the leadership election, the next leader after Cameron will either be one proposing immediate withdrawal (without a refurendum or renegotiation), in which case the corporate press will ensure they're unelectable by hammering home the fiscal perils, or it will be a slightly pro-EU leader in which case scores of Tories will flock to UKIP, having been enraged and agitated during the leadership election.
They'll schism and split and crumble like the Liberals did a century before, giving Labour the political freedom they need in order to take this country back towards the light.


I may have overstated things slightly.

No they will probably elect Johnson or May to the leadership. Both are mildly Euroskeptic, neither would propose immediate withdrawal and would not be to different to Camerons current position. Both would be prepared to be tougher with the EU but they would wan't a reform not immediate withdrawal. That main difference is May is more of an authoritarian and Johnson more of a libertarian.

[The Nihilistic view]

UKIP is too wacko and the Conservatives aren't right enough, so I'd probably vote for the Christian Party.

Thinks UKIP is too wacko.........Votes for the Christian Party.

[Murkwood]

UKIP is too wacko and the Conservatives aren't right enough, so I'd probably vote for the Christian Party.

Thinks UKIP is too wacko.........Votes for the Christian Party.

Really tells you something about UKIP.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Thinks UKIP is too wacko.........Votes for the Christian Party.

Really tells you something about UKIP.

There are basically no policy differences among the rightists, honestly. That includes "New Labour" as well. Politics in the UK are really sad and sorry for everyone who has to live there and isn't fantastically wealthy.