British 2015 general election poll

[Herargon]

''A few policies'' doesn't mean you are centre-right on average.

Hence the '/'.

Incoming furious message...

Then why do they always wave their British flags and do they say that immigrants need to be kicked out from the country?

If you're British and immigrate to another country - while you have no other choice - and then hear they will kick you out.
How does that feel? Great? No, it's discriminatory.

And before anyone begins to complain that they're taking our jobs; then why don't you go work for yourselves? They work for less money; therefore, if you want to get that job and have no other choice but to take any job offer, then you should just not complain and work for less money.

That;s capitalism for you, guys. It's your own bloody capitalism and it were you which invented it, and if you're going to complain about it, then please give rational arguments.

Also, I'm not British. But I know how it is for the rich and poor, British and non-British people there. I am a Dutch Christian who is fervently against the PVV.

TL;DR: Please give rational arguments and try to understand why you didn't get that job, instead of just complaining.

Nothing wrong waving your flag and being patriotic, as a party we have never said they need to be kicked out, no one needs to be kicked out, we just want to limit those coming in and have a fair immigration policy that isn't bias towards Europe.

I've never complained they take our jobs, they work bloody hard. Why should we work for less money, people can't afford to be on less money the cost of living has increased but wages have not followed suit.

This is not capitalism, it's corporate capitalism, 'false capitalism' if you like. Anyone should be able to achieve anything they so wish not matter what their background. Don't even compare us to the PVV they are a awful party.

1) Okay, that's clarified.

2) I agree that it's not wrong to wave your flag and be patriotic. However, they said they will deport people. Now why would no one be kicked out?
But it's true that UKIP indeed wants to limit immigration - only accepting people that don't want to enforce extreme religious laws (My bad for the indirect mention of Sharia law ).

I understand that you don't want to work for less money -- nobody wants that, right/left?

However, imagine that there's a small village where you live. You gain $ 15 each hour, but then, boom. Immigrants come, they work for $ 10 each hour and longer.
Even if they work longer than you, they earn less money. You lose your job nonetheless. You can always try to retake your job, but you won't get any work.

Or you have to work for less, like $ 5 per hour. That's a radical decrease in money; on one side, you now have a job again. On another side (and that's why you also are right that people can't afford to be on less money due to the wages), you no longer earn enough money to pay for both food, electricity and your property.
Woops, bollocks. You become poor.

Also, it may hurt your feelings, but the UK and the USA have an Anglo-Saxon model of economy. That is one of the most corporate-capitalist models at the moment being in existence (thus not theoretical). Other systems are the Rhine-model, the Scandinavian system and the Mediterranean model. But that's just a conclusion.

Last but not last, I completely agree with you that the PVV is an awful party. May they learn from the UKIP (ironically).

[Rutannia]

Lower taxes for the poor, abolishing inheritance taxes for all even the poor pay for that. UKIP doesn't support privatisation of the NHS which I feel you were getting at, we want to axe the 'middle management' and redirect it to front-line services. UKIP isn't Thatcherite, we have a small group of them, that doesn't make us overall Thatcherite, the same goes for small factions in the other parties.

Just one of those Thatcherites happens to be Nigel Farage

He admires Thatcher, but has always said that the policies were of its day and divided the country. So not really a Thatcherite.

[Valaran]

Since it will be my first time voting, I'm still undecided.

I'm broadly centrist in my views, and technically closest to to the liberal democrats, but none of the liblabcon trio really appeal to me in any significant regard right now.


And certainly not UKIP.

[Herargon]

UKIP: A Police State?

European Court of Human Rights
UKIP wants to repeal the Human Rights Act, and remove Britain from both the European Convention on Refugees and the European Convention on Human Rights to "enable us to deport foreign criminal and terrorist suspects where desirable" while still "allow[ing] genuine asylum applications in accordance with our international obligations".

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Indepen ... man_Rights

You source WIkipedia of all things? Get a real source like perhaps the website? We want to create our own Human Rights Act or put a 'British Stamp' on the current one.

Could you then please tell me why deporting people is okay, if you just said that you don't want to kick out people.

[L Ron Cupboard]

At the moment none of them. Maybe one of them will make a leap towards something that actually represents what I want during the campaign.

EDIT: Poll could do with a 'none of the above' option.

[Rutannia]

You source WIkipedia of all things? Get a real source like perhaps the website? We want to create our own Human Rights Act or put a 'British Stamp' on the current one.

Could you then please tell me why deporting people is okay, if you just said that you don't want to kick out people.

Deporting foreign criminals, who have not become citizens, who have committed serious crimes in this country.

[Herargon]

Could you then please tell me why deporting people is okay, if you just said that you don't want to kick out people.

Deporting foreign criminals, who have not become citizens, who have committed serious crimes in this country.

You said: you don't want to kick out any people. Aren't foreign people also people? And deporting foreign criminals - or national, doesn't matter - won't work. You then literally are bucking off the problems of your own nation to another.

[Dejanic]

Could you then please tell me why deporting people is okay, if you just said that you don't want to kick out people.

Deporting foreign criminals, who have not become citizens, who have committed serious crimes in this country.

That doesn't make much sense to me, doesn't it make more sense to bring such criminals to justice within the country where they committed the crime, as opposed to deporting them to another country which may not even view what they did as a crime, meaning they may be let off.

For example, I would rather a Somalian who murders someone in Birmingham be locked up and punished here, where we know we can bring them to justice, as opposed to deporting them to Somalia, where in all likeliness they would probably be walking the streets Scott free preparing to board a boat to Europe. Likewise, if a drunken Englishman rapes a woman in Spain, I think the Spanish authorities have the right to imprison and punish that man within Spain, the country that the man actually committed the crime in, as opposed to sending the bloke back over here.

[Rutannia]

Deporting foreign criminals, who have not become citizens, who have committed serious crimes in this country.

You said: you don't want to kick out any people. Aren't foreign people also people? And deporting foreign criminals - or national, doesn't matter - won't work. You then literally are bucking off the problems of your own nation to another.

No we don't want to kick anyone out when referring to people who have legal come here and not committed any crime if they commit a crime why should we pay to house them here.

[Herargon]

You said: you don't want to kick out any people. Aren't foreign people also people? And deporting foreign criminals - or national, doesn't matter - won't work. You then literally are bucking off the problems of your own nation to another.

No we don't want to kick anyone out when referring to people who have legal come here and not committed any crime if they commit a crime why should we pay to house them here.

Ah, I understand. But what if a British born man in, let's say, Nigeria, wants to come there - but does that illegally - and he has not commited any crime?
Technically, he would be a foreigner because he is born in Nigeria. However, he has one British parent and has not commited any crimes yet.
He immigrates to your country - but illegally.

I am just wondering this. What would the case be?

Also, I respect the British, but I just dislike extremely nationalistic people. Moderate nationalism is okay. But that's just my opinion, and I should respect another man's opinion, following the etiquette.

[Vassenor]

At the fresher's fair at my university this year UKIP were handing out leaflets implying that we were being brainwashed by our lecturers' refusal to use "right-leaning" philosophers.

As it stands, I'm registered to vote in what has been a Conservative safe seat for the last twenty-odd years, so as far as I can tell my vote's pointless.

[Kington Langley]

Definitely voting Conservative in the general election. I'm blindly hoping that the Tories will honour their pledge to hold an in-out referendum on British membership in the European Union by 2017.

[Skappola]

I wish the Liberal Democrats would reappear, as I love their political views. Unfortunately, a miracle would be needed to save them. I would then vote Conservative, since I generally dislike the Labour Party, and the Greens are starry-eyed dreamers.

UKIP often has views farther right than the U.S. Tea Party, and that's saying something.

[Dejanic]

At the fresher's fair at my university this year UKIP were handing out leaflets implying that we were being brainwashed by our lecturers' refusal to use "right-leaning" philosophers.

As it stands, I'm registered to vote in what has been a Conservative safe seat for the last twenty-odd years, so as far as I can tell my vote's pointless.

God I love UKIP, and in the words of my favourite Tory Ken Clarke "Ukip voters are 'grumpy old men' who 'have had a bit of a hard time in life' and blame 'foreigners' for everything, says Ken Clarke".

And anyway, your university doesn't discuss right-leaning philosopher? Sure Hitler, or Mussolini are discussed once in a while.

[Herargon]

Definitely voting Conservative in the general election. I'm blindly hoping that the Tories will honour their pledge to hold an in-out referendum on British membership in the European Union by 2017.

Excuse me, but I'm wondering why the British want to go out from the EU. Because they want to be 100% sovereign again? Or at least 90%, because there are important treaties aside from the EU membership and the treaties associated with it.

[Skappola]

At the fresher's fair at my university this year UKIP were handing out leaflets implying that we were being brainwashed by our lecturers' refusal to use "right-leaning" philosophers.

As it stands, I'm registered to vote in what has been a Conservative safe seat for the last twenty-odd years, so as far as I can tell my vote's pointless.

God I love UKIP, and in the words of my favourite Tory Ken Clarke "Ukip voters are 'grumpy old men' who 'have had a bit of a hard time in life' and blame 'foreigners' for everything, says Ken Clarke".

And anyway, your university doesn't discuss right-leaning philosopher? Sure Hitler, or Mussolini are discussed once in a while.

Neither of those were far right in any real way, considering their relatively anti-laissez faire economic views. They're just authoritarians.

[Dejanic]

I wish the Liberal Democrats would reappear, as I love their political views. Unfortunately, a miracle would be needed to save them. I would then vote Conservative, since I generally dislike the Labour Party, and the Greens are starry-eyed dreamers.

UKIP often has views farther right than the U.S. Tea Party, and that's saying something.

I genuinely liked the Lib Dems when they were ran by the centre-left/Social Democratic section of their party as they had progressive fiscal policies but lacked the odd authoritarian streak that Labour possesses when it comes to law and order and war, but sadly Clegg and his centre-right "orange bookers" took over and ran the party into the ground.

I do hope that once Clegg resigns or is booted out, the centre-left can retake the Lib Dems and make it a progressive party, but at this point with most of the centre-left support switching to Labour or Greens the party may genuinely just die out, or openly become a centre-right party and move towards classical Liberalism (which I can't see happening).

[Cornupication]

No we don't want to kick anyone out when referring to people who have legal come here and not committed any crime if they commit a crime why should we pay to house them here.

Ah, I understand. But what if a British born man in, let's say, Nigeria, wants to come there - but does that illegally - and he has not commited any crime?
Technically, he would be a foreigner because he is born in Nigeria. However, he has one British parent and has not commited any crimes yet.
He immigrates to your country - but illegally.

I am just wondering this. What would the case be?

Also, I respect the British, but I just dislike extremely nationalistic people. Moderate nationalism is okay. But that's just my opinion, and I should respect another man's opinion, following the etiquette.

Brit here!
If you have one British parent who was British through means other than descent themselves (i.e. they were born in Britain), then you automatically become a British citizen through descent. Note, that if you are a Brit through descent because of this method, if you have a child born outside of the UK yourself, he cannot become a citizen through that method. It gets really complicated in terms of dual nationality, but you don't have to do anything in order to "activate" for lack of a better term, your British nationality. So, you would be able to legally emigrate to the UK.

[Skappola]

I wish the Liberal Democrats would reappear, as I love their political views. Unfortunately, a miracle would be needed to save them. I would then vote Conservative, since I generally dislike the Labour Party, and the Greens are starry-eyed dreamers.

UKIP often has views farther right than the U.S. Tea Party, and that's saying something.

I genuinely liked the Lib Dems when they were ran by the centre-left/Social Democratic section of their party as they had progressive fiscal policies but lacked the odd authoritarian streak that Labour possesses when it comes to law and order and war, but sadly Clegg and his centre-right "orange bookers" took over and ran the party into the ground.

I do hope that once Clegg resigns or is booted out, the centre-left can retake the Lib Dems and make it a progressive party, but at this point with most of the centre-left support switching to Labour or Greens the party may genuinely just die out, or openly become a centre-right party and move towards classical Liberalism (which I can't see happening).

They used to be a great alternative to the Labour Party and helped to moderate both major parties. The problem now is that they're in a sort of state of transition towards the right, without actually saying they're on the right. This causes the right to view them as Labour Party-lite and the left to view them as moving to far right. Like you said, they either have to move back to their previous position or just admit that they are no longer where they once were. Until then, they'll continue hemorrhaging voters from both sides of the spectrum.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Whoever I would vote for, I could never stomach Farage and his UKIP, they are laughable.
I'm stuck between the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives. I would also consider Labour if they were not lead by Miliband, he is awful.

[Napkiraly]

God I love UKIP, and in the words of my favourite Tory Ken Clarke "Ukip voters are 'grumpy old men' who 'have had a bit of a hard time in life' and blame 'foreigners' for everything, says Ken Clarke".

And anyway, your university doesn't discuss right-leaning philosopher? Sure Hitler, or Mussolini are discussed once in a while.

Neither of those were far right in any real way, considering their relatively anti-laissez faire economic views. They're just authoritarians.

No, they were. If "left wing" economics can mean anything from communism to regulated capitalism then I'm afraid to say the same broad spectrum applies to the far right. As if the only variable in deciding whether or not a group or person is far anything is solely down to economics.

[Napkiraly]

Whoever I would vote for, I could never stomach Farage and his UKIP, they are laughable.
I'm stuck between the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives. I would also consider Labour if they were not lead by Miliband, he is awful.

Shouldn't it be the policies that matter more?

[Lord Oaksworth]

Ah. As of right now I support the Conservative Party, I would prefer they adopted more reactionary policies though.

[Dejanic]

Neither of those were far right in any real way, considering their relatively anti-laissez faire economic views. They're just authoritarians.

No, they were. If "left wing" economics can mean anything from communism to regulated capitalism then I'm afraid to say the same broad spectrum applies to the far right. As if the only variable in deciding whether or not a group or person is far anything is solely down to economics.

Pretty much, just how how anarcho-communism and state socialism are both "left wing" yet one is authoritarian and one is more libertarian, it's fair to say that free-market capitalism and fascist corporatism are both "right wing" yet one is authoritarian and one is more libertarian.

[Dejanic]

Whoever I would vote for, I could never stomach Farage and his UKIP, they are laughable.
I'm stuck between the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives. I would also consider Labour if they were not lead by Miliband, he is awful.

Shouldn't it be the policies that matter more?

Of course, but it's hard to get past the fact that Miliband is completely unaspiring, and trust me I am trying to get behind Labour, I'm even contemplating joining the party, but Miliband is just..Miliband.

Personally I think Ed Balls is more off putting though, the fact that he's stated that a future Labour government would use the Tory/Lib Dem austerity plan as the "basis" for the Labour plan worries me greatly.