British 2015 general election poll

[Lunas Legion]

If we look inwards and close our borders, you'll see us falling sharply in all those generous statistics.
The EU isn't perfect, nothing is. But it has benefited every country in it, just as the Union has benefited every part of the British Isles.
We live in a super-national world now, with super-national issues. Thankfully we have a super-national government to deal with them.
Want Britain to lag behind every other European nation, then vote to leave the EU. Vote to put us in a position where we are dependent on EU legislation despite having no say in forming them, dependent on EU kindness despite snubbing them, forced to pay massive contributions to the EU despite not being a part of it.

One of the big arguments for leaving is because the EU is an inward looking protectionist club that should do more with the rest of the world. So in that situation leaving would be looking outwards if we want to deal more with the rest of the world. Nor does it automatically mean closing borders. We can have them as open as we want them.

The rest is just a load of made up crap. We would not have to abide by any legislation other than that that involved with exporting goods to the EU. I don't think anybody is seriously suggesting we go down the Norway/Swiss route once push comes to shove. In that case why would we be bothered about having a say in legislation we don't want to affect us and won't apply to us anyway? Secondly you actually think the EU would instigate a trade embargo on the UK? Business want good products at competitive prices, being out of the EU won't change that if our firms stay competitively priced they will get business from Europe. Finally if you aren't in the EU or some other half in half out agreement like Norway of the Swiss you don't have to pay anything. If you aren't part of an organisation you don't pay towards it an nobody can force you unless one agreed to pay. What would happen is there would be small export tariffs of an average of about 3%, goods exported from Europe to us will have a small tariff as well. This money goes to the coffers of whatever country the goods are imported to. This is not different to any other country without a free trade agreement with the EU. And most people would be in favour of free trade agreements that deal just with trade.

And lag behind the Eurozone, that's about as absurd a claim as I have heard in years. If anything it's holding us back with it's weak demand and lurching from crisis to crisis.

Especally since there is growing support in Greece for it to default, and if Greece defaults other countries in S.Europe that are in a similar economic situation (Spain, Italy, etc) will follow suit.

[The Nihilistic view]

One of the big arguments for leaving is because the EU is an inward looking protectionist club that should do more with the rest of the world. So in that situation leaving would be looking outwards if we want to deal more with the rest of the world. Nor does it automatically mean closing borders. We can have them as open as we want them.

The rest is just a load of made up crap. We would not have to abide by any legislation other than that that involved with exporting goods to the EU. I don't think anybody is seriously suggesting we go down the Norway/Swiss route once push comes to shove. In that case why would we be bothered about having a say in legislation we don't want to affect us and won't apply to us anyway? Secondly you actually think the EU would instigate a trade embargo on the UK? Business want good products at competitive prices, being out of the EU won't change that if our firms stay competitively priced they will get business from Europe. Finally if you aren't in the EU or some other half in half out agreement like Norway of the Swiss you don't have to pay anything. If you aren't part of an organisation you don't pay towards it an nobody can force you unless one agreed to pay. What would happen is there would be small export tariffs of an average of about 3%, goods exported from Europe to us will have a small tariff as well. This money goes to the coffers of whatever country the goods are imported to. This is not different to any other country without a free trade agreement with the EU. And most people would be in favour of free trade agreements that deal just with trade.

And lag behind the Eurozone, that's about as absurd a claim as I have heard in years. If anything it's holding us back with it's weak demand and lurching from crisis to crisis.

Especally since there is growing support in Greece for it to default, and if Greece defaults other countries in S.Europe that are in a similar economic situation (Spain, Italy, etc) will follow suit.

Their big danger is deflation with the ECB still refusing to use any form of QE. And if that happens then it really will open a Pandora's box of problems, one of which being the possibility of a default. Well a second default in the case of Greece really as the first time round a default was only stopped by some debt being written off by private creditors. Without that i'm not sure the EU could have stopped a full default. So it may happen without Greece actually doing it on purpose.

[The Yorkshire Commonwealth]

If we look inwards and close our borders, you'll see us falling sharply in all those generous statistics.
The EU isn't perfect, nothing is. But it has benefited every country in it, just as the Union has benefited every part of the British Isles.
We live in a super-national world now, with super-national issues. Thankfully we have a super-national government to deal with them.
Want Britain to lag behind every other European nation, then vote to leave the EU. Vote to put us in a position where we are dependent on EU legislation despite having no say in forming them, dependent on EU kindness despite snubbing them, forced to pay massive contributions to the EU despite not being a part of it.

One of the big arguments for leaving is because the EU is an inward looking protectionist club that should do more with the rest of the world. So in that situation leaving would be looking outwards if we want to deal more with the rest of the world. Nor does it automatically mean closing borders. We can have them as open as we want them.

The rest is just a load of made up crap. We would not have to abide by any legislation other than that that involved with exporting goods to the EU. I don't think anybody is seriously suggesting we go down the Norway/Swiss route once push comes to shove. In that case why would we be bothered about having a say in legislation we don't want to affect us and won't apply to us anyway? Secondly you actually think the EU would instigate a trade embargo on the UK? Business want good products at competitive prices, being out of the EU won't change that if our firms stay competitively priced they will get business from Europe. Finally if you aren't in the EU or some other half in half out agreement like Norway of the Swiss you don't have to pay anything. If you aren't part of an organisation you don't pay towards it an nobody can force you unless one agreed to pay. What would happen is there would be small export tariffs of an average of about 3%, goods exported from Europe to us will have a small tariff as well. This money goes to the coffers of whatever country the goods are imported to. This is not different to any other country without a free trade agreement with the EU. And most people would be in favour of free trade agreements that deal just with trade.

And lag behind the Eurozone, that's about as absurd a claim as I have heard in years. If anything it's holding us back with it's weak demand and lurching from crisis to crisis.

To be honest I hadn't factored in the possibility of us not being in the EEA, because obviously the economic fallout would be so disasterous.

But, we can just cross our fingers and hope for the best, hope that we're offered as favourable terms as Norway's, despite being despised by the EU, in which case our largest export, cars, would face only 4% import tariffs, textiles would face only 17% tariffs, and jewellry, our 6th largest industry only 20%.
Hope and pray that these industries wouldn't just do the logical thing and move to avoid these tariffs. Hope and pray that somehow we can get trade deals with other countries that are as favourable as the EU's, despite negotiating on behalf of 60 million potential customers rather than negotiating on behalf of 500 million as the EU does.
All will be worth it though! Because we can carry on making those kettles 'Johnny Brussells' says we're not allowed anymore... I mean, we'll have no one to sell them to, but we can keep making them!

I'm sure we'd be fine in the long run, because leaving the EU would be freeing one man of constricting regulation. This twerp.
We'd probably rise up as a nation, carried into the sky on the hot air from the bonfire of worker's rights, environmental protections and personal liberties... Well, the GDP will rise, everything else will fall.

[Dejanic]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

Cameron is making enemies in the European Council, but Britain is getting a good reputation with the European voters that want reform but don't have any sane political parties that would deliver it.

So Tory voters?

[Langew]

I can't believe Labour are getting so much support, they wrecked the country. But then again I suppose this is an inaccurate representation as TBH, I think this game attracts a lot of socialists. But even on here UKIP are pretty much toe to toe with Labour so this must be a good sign (in case you've not guessed I support UKIP).

[Napkiraly]

I can't believe Labour are getting so much support, they wrecked the country. But then again I suppose this is an inaccurate representation as TBH, I think this game attracts a lot of socialists. But even on here UKIP are pretty much toe to toe with Labour so this must be a good sign (in case you've not guessed I support UKIP).

Implying the Labour Party is socialist.

[Arglorand]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

Cameron is making enemies in the European Council, but Britain is getting a good reputation with the European voters that want reform but don't have any sane political parties that would deliver it.

In other words, Britain has a good reputation with Brits.

[The Nihilistic view]

One of the big arguments for leaving is because the EU is an inward looking protectionist club that should do more with the rest of the world. So in that situation leaving would be looking outwards if we want to deal more with the rest of the world. Nor does it automatically mean closing borders. We can have them as open as we want them.

The rest is just a load of made up crap. We would not have to abide by any legislation other than that that involved with exporting goods to the EU. I don't think anybody is seriously suggesting we go down the Norway/Swiss route once push comes to shove. In that case why would we be bothered about having a say in legislation we don't want to affect us and won't apply to us anyway? Secondly you actually think the EU would instigate a trade embargo on the UK? Business want good products at competitive prices, being out of the EU won't change that if our firms stay competitively priced they will get business from Europe. Finally if you aren't in the EU or some other half in half out agreement like Norway of the Swiss you don't have to pay anything. If you aren't part of an organisation you don't pay towards it an nobody can force you unless one agreed to pay. What would happen is there would be small export tariffs of an average of about 3%, goods exported from Europe to us will have a small tariff as well. This money goes to the coffers of whatever country the goods are imported to. This is not different to any other country without a free trade agreement with the EU. And most people would be in favour of free trade agreements that deal just with trade.

And lag behind the Eurozone, that's about as absurd a claim as I have heard in years. If anything it's holding us back with it's weak demand and lurching from crisis to crisis.

To be honest I hadn't factored in the possibility of us not being in the EEA, because obviously the economic fallout would be so disasterous.

But, we can just cross our fingers and hope for the best, hope that we're offered as favourable terms as Norway's, despite being despised by the EU, in which case our largest export, cars, would face only 4% import tariffs, textiles would face only 17% tariffs, and jewellry, our 6th largest industry only 20%.
Hope and pray that these industries wouldn't just do the logical thing and move to avoid these tariffs. Hope and pray that somehow we can get trade deals with other countries that are as favourable as the EU's, despite negotiating on behalf of 60 million potential customers rather than negotiating on behalf of 500 million as the EU does.
All will be worth it though! Because we can carry on making those kettles 'Johnny Brussells' says we're not allowed anymore... I mean, we'll have no one to sell them to, but we can keep making them!

I'm sure we'd be fine in the long run, because leaving the EU would be freeing one man of constricting regulation. This twerp.
We'd probably rise up as a nation, carried into the sky on the hot air from the bonfire of worker's rights, environmental protections and personal liberties... Well, the GDP will rise, everything else will fall.

Jeez you made up loads of Bollocks there. The Government maintain a website with all External tariffs imports from outside the EU must pay due to the common external tariff. In future use it instead of just plucking numbers from thin air and following it with hyperbole.

[Aemen]

I can't believe Labour are getting so much support, they wrecked the country. But then again I suppose this is an inaccurate representation as TBH, I think this game attracts a lot of socialists. But even on here UKIP are pretty much toe to toe with Labour so this must be a good sign (in case you've not guessed I support UKIP).

Milliband's chances of getting a Labour majority next year are demonstrably slim. His popularity is atrocious, Scottish Labour is suffering leadership problems and even Tony Blair, the big daddy of British political screw-ups, was apparently asking what on Earth Miliband thought he was doing.

[The Yorkshire Commonwealth]

To be honest I hadn't factored in the possibility of us not being in the EEA, because obviously the economic fallout would be so disasterous.

But, we can just cross our fingers and hope for the best, hope that we're offered as favourable terms as Norway's, despite being despised by the EU, in which case our largest export, cars, would face only 4% import tariffs, textiles would face only 17% tariffs, and jewellry, our 6th largest industry only 20%.
Hope and pray that these industries wouldn't just do the logical thing and move to avoid these tariffs. Hope and pray that somehow we can get trade deals with other countries that are as favourable as the EU's, despite negotiating on behalf of 60 million potential customers rather than negotiating on behalf of 500 million as the EU does.
All will be worth it though! Because we can carry on making those kettles 'Johnny Brussells' says we're not allowed anymore... I mean, we'll have no one to sell them to, but we can keep making them!

I'm sure we'd be fine in the long run, because leaving the EU would be freeing one man of constricting regulation. This twerp.
We'd probably rise up as a nation, carried into the sky on the hot air from the bonfire of worker's rights, environmental protections and personal liberties... Well, the GDP will rise, everything else will fall.

Jeez you made up loads of Bollocks there. The Government maintain a website with all External tariffs imports from outside the EU must pay due to the common external tariff. In future use it instead of just plucking numbers from thin air and following it with hyperbole.

As explained, those are the ones currently paid by Norway.

Anyway, why're you using such aggressive language? Did I punch your dog or something?

[The Nihilistic view]

Jeez you made up loads of Bollocks there. The Government maintain a website with all External tariffs imports from outside the EU must pay due to the common external tariff. In future use it instead of just plucking numbers from thin air and following it with hyperbole.

As explained, those are the ones currently paid by Norway.

Anyway, why're you using such aggressive language? Did I punch your dog or something?

No they are not, do you not understand what the EU common external tariff is? It sets all tariffs the same for all goods from anywhere outside the EU coming into the EU. Secondly Norway is in the EEA, this means it has free trade with all EU countries. Free trade in the EEA means no Tariffs on all goods excluding agriculture and fisheries traveling between member states.

[Britanno]

So Tory voters?

Such a rofl moment. Really. Super funny.

I never said Cameron making friends with Europeans was logical, I was just pointing it out.

[The Yorkshire Commonwealth]

As explained, those are the ones currently paid by Norway.

Anyway, why're you using such aggressive language? Did I punch your dog or something?

No they are not, do you not understand what the EU common external tariff is? It sets all tariffs the same for all goods from anywhere outside the EU coming into the EU. Secondly Norway is in the EEA, this means it has free trade with all EU countries. Free trade in the EEA means no Tariffs on all goods excluding agriculture and fisheries traveling between member states.

Oh really? I was reading about it yesterday in the economist and I'd conflated the list of tariffs they showed for non EEA nations with the later paragraph about Norway. My bad. Still... 12% on processed foods... Which only accounts for a mere £4.7bn of our yearly exports...

Outside the EEA, we'd have very little chance of avoiding the automotive tariffs which are currently 4.5%... Bye bye biggest export industry. Inside it, we would be bound by almost all extant EU regulations, even when not trading with the single market: Working hours, working conditions, purity of products, environmental impact, labeling, commodity warehousing...
Norway itself is beholden on us (The UK) voting against changes in regulations regarding offshore drilling for example, Switzerland needs us to veto changes to banking and financial service regulations... If they were in the EU, they'd have a vote.

At present, Norway pays 340 million Euro a year to the EU... Not a lot, but the equivalent of us paying around 1.1 billion.Certainly good value for money, but it'd be better if they chucked in a free vote with it.

[Dejanic]

So Tory voters?

Such a rofl moment. Really. Super funny.

I never said Cameron making friends with Europeans was logical, I was just pointing it out.

Pointing out what? You didn't point out anything, except that Tory voters like the whole bullish "half in half out" deal that Cameron is failing to meet.

The little Englander attitude is surprisingly enough, mostly found in England.

[Dejanic]

To be fair to you and other Cameronites, I'm sure the united "non insane moderately Euroskeptic force" that is composed of the Tories, the centre-right of the CZECH REPUBLIC, and CEO of Lego Recep Tayyip Erdoğan will have Jean-Claude Juncker quaking in his boots.

This half in half out nonsense will never work, let's have a referendum as soon as possible.

[The UK in Exile]

So Tory voters?

Such a rofl moment. Really. Super funny.

I never said Cameron making friends with Europeans was logical, I was just pointing it out.

Why would you point out something of such staggering irrelevance? Unless your suggesting that Cameron is secretly started to campaign to be president of the Commission when he needs a new job come May?

[Chucky Arla]

Someone needs to forcibly disband the DUP. A bigger bunch of ignorant wee boys i've never seen.

[Geilinor]

I can't believe Labour are getting so much support, they wrecked the country. But then again I suppose this is an inaccurate representation as TBH, I think this game attracts a lot of socialists. But even on here UKIP are pretty much toe to toe with Labour so this must be a good sign (in case you've not guessed I support UKIP).

Milliband's chances of getting a Labour majority next year are demonstrably slim. His popularity is atrocious, Scottish Labour is suffering leadership problems and even Tony Blair, the big daddy of British political screw-ups, was apparently asking what on Earth Miliband thought he was doing.

Another, by YouGov for the Sunday Times, suggested Mr Miliband was less popular than his Liberal Democrat counterpart Nick Clegg.

Less popular than Clegg? That's pathetic. British politics has reached a very low ebb...

[Arglorand]

Someone needs to forcibly disband the DUP. A bigger bunch of ignorant wee boys i've never seen.

Good luck getting that done in a completely legal and legitimate way.

[Pantoufle]

US Midterm elections for Congress (Upper and Lower houses) turned majority Republican (Right) while 79% of US voters disagreed with how the US Congress was handling its job however they kept the Upper house in Republican hands and gave the lower house to Republicans.
Hopefully Canada gets a new PM next year (Trudeau would be nice.)

[Dejanic]

US Midterm elections for Congress (Upper and Lower houses) turned majority Republican (Right) while 79% of US voters disagreed with how the US Congress was handling its job however they kept the Upper house in Republican hands and gave the lower house to Republicans.

From what I've read, many are upset with the centre-right direction of the Democrats, so in protest they voted in the far-right Republicans....


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America.

[Geilinor]

To be fair to you and other Cameronites, I'm sure the united "non insane moderately Euroskeptic force" that is composed of the Tories, the centre-right of the CZECH REPUBLIC, and CEO of Lego Recep Tayyip Erdoğan will have Jean-Claude Juncker quaking in his boots.

This half in half out nonsense will never work, let's have a referendum as soon as possible.

It's not "half in half out", if there was a change it would have to apply to all members. I don't support a change, but it shouldn't only apply to the UK.

[Geilinor]

US Midterm elections for Congress (Upper and Lower houses) turned majority Republican (Right) while 79% of US voters disagreed with how the US Congress was handling its job however they kept the Upper house in Republican hands and gave the lower house to Republicans.

From what I've read, many are upset with the centre-right direction of the Democrats, so in protest they voted in the far-right Republicans....


......


America.

They also legalized marijuana or raised the minimum wage in states that voted Republican. Too much far-rightism from the Republicans would mean no 2016 for them.

[Arglorand]

US Midterm elections for Congress (Upper and Lower houses) turned majority Republican (Right) while 79% of US voters disagreed with how the US Congress was handling its job however they kept the Upper house in Republican hands and gave the lower house to Republicans.
Hopefully Canada gets a new PM next year (Trudeau would be nice.)

Why are we talking about the US and Canada in a UK election thread?

[Greater-London]

It's not "half in half out", if there was a change it would have to apply to all members. I don't support a change, but it shouldn't only apply to the UK.

No, David Cameron isn't trying to get a deal for all EU members it would just be for the UK. In fact that's the only way were going to get the sort of reform that DC wants is through little opt outs for us especially as lots of member states want to go the other way.