British 2015 general election poll

[Alyakia]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... ent-labour

i don't think i've ever seen anything that so perfectly encapsulates what is wrong this this scheme regardless of how good people think it sounds

e: good friends don't let their friends vote tory

[Edward Scissorhands]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/03/dwp-benefits-electrician-work-placement-labour

i don't think i've ever seen anything that so perfectly encapsulates what is wrong this this scheme regardless of how good people think it sounds

e: good friends don't let their friends vote tory

Good friends don't try and force their political opinions on friends.

[The Yorkshire Commonwealth]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/03/dwp-benefits-electrician-work-placement-labour

i don't think i've ever seen anything that so perfectly encapsulates what is wrong this this scheme regardless of how good people think it sounds

e: good friends don't let their friends vote tory

An employer can stop paying an employee, and instead force them to work for free and get subsidies from the taxpayer for doing so.
Slave-tastic. The right have succeeded in their plot to make us human resources with no rights, no pay, no severence, no choice.

They've also convinced everyone else to scream: "Why iz you complaining?! We all have to work for a living you lazy slob."

Mission accomplished, the brief period in which democracy and humanity was allowed to get in the way of capital's profitability is well and trully over.

When I was unemployed, I hooked myself up with a volounteering placement in my particular field (finance), it really was a great thing to put on my CV...
Howevor, due to having missed a job centre appointment (my train was late) they were forcing me to take a different volounteer placement they'd set up, which was loading furniture in and out of a van... Which wouldn't have helped me in the least bit. So I tried to argue with them on how stupid it would be to deny a job-seeker an excellent opportunity to increase their employability, but no dice.
So I took a massive risk and signed off, lived off charity, did the finance volounteering placement and ended up getting a permanant job out of it.

Screw the job centre.

http://www.boycottworkfare.org/

[Grand Britaria]

I support the Greens and voted for them in the 2014 European elections, but the seat I'm registered to vote in at university is only just a narrow Labour seat. So I'll probably be voting Labour to prevent those dastardly Eurosceptics getting it. Any other time I'd most likely vote Green.

You registered to vote at Uni? I never saw the point myself and just vote at my home constituency.

My home seat is a Tory safe seat, so I'm more likely to have an effect on something voting here rather than at home.

[Greed and Death]

I am being flown in to vote for the Tories.

[Dejanic]

I am being flown in to vote for the Tories.

I'm sure you'll succeed, you could also abuse a few children and commit some other abhorrent crimes, as Theresa May will probably forget to do anything about it.

[Atlanticatia]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/03/dwp-benefits-electrician-work-placement-labour

i don't think i've ever seen anything that so perfectly encapsulates what is wrong this this scheme regardless of how good people think it sounds

e: good friends don't let their friends vote tory

forced workfare is fucking despicable tbh

[Lunas Legion]

You registered to vote at Uni? I never saw the point myself and just vote at my home constituency.

My home seat is a Tory safe seat, so I'm more likely to have an effect on something voting here rather than at home.

Same.

[Dejanic]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

[Britannic Realms]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

The Mediterranean countries do it.

[Aemen]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

'Pointless little isolated island' is taking it a bit far. You make it sound like the UK will be shunned by every civilised nation on the planet if they'd dare to defy the Merklereich.

We're pretty much at the point of sour relations with EU heavyweights as it is, what with the government refusing to pay the inflated bill that would give Germany and France their rebates, though Cameron's stance is that we can have the best of both worlds. I assure you he wouldn't be trying so hard if UKIP weren't busy shitting all over his garden at the moment.

[The Nihilistic view]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

It's not help by this idea there is a black and white. Either not in it or become part of a federal state and that anybody who dares to have a different view to the approved, vetted view of what the EU should be is crazy. Anti EU as it currently stands does not mean Anti Europe, the idea that one can only be pro Europe if one supports the notion of the end of one's sovereign state and supports the current EU is crackers.

Many countries in the EU bend the rules or ignore rules. We abide by the rules as much as those who follow them most. But we want to change some. Yet apparently trying to change the rules is worse than other countries who just ignore stuff they don't like. Trying to change the rules is not bending the rules. Bending the rules is ignoring or going against intent of the current rules which Britain does not do nearly as much as others yet it us who are the only ones that do it supposedly.

[Britanno]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

Cameron is making enemies in the European Council, but Britain is getting a good reputation with the European voters that want reform but don't have any sane political parties that would deliver it.

[Angleter]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

6th largest economy (we may even overtake France before Brazil overtake us, briefly making us 5th)
Either 5th or 6th highest defence spending, with nuclear weapons and a permanent UNSC seat
One of the two A++ global cities
1st for soft power, 2012
2nd in overall global clout, 2014
Four of the world's top six universities (and 19 of the top 100)
Second most Nobel Laureates (18 so far this century)
Even by population, we come in 22nd

That, apparently, makes for a 'little' country dependent not only for foreign policy, but for the entire point of its existence, on the EU. Who knew?

[The Ivory Warriors]

Re people voting UKIP as a joke?

[Martean]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

The Mediterranean countries do it.

We do it mostly as a request of northern countries.

P.S.: At least we don't have a huge far-right/ xenophobic party among the top 3... or even top 10... Indeed, they haven't even got parliamentary representation -_o_-

[The Yorkshire Commonwealth]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

6th largest economy (we may even overtake France before Brazil overtake us, briefly making us 5th)
Either 5th or 6th highest defence spending, with nuclear weapons and a permanent UNSC seat
One of the two A++ global cities
1st for soft power, 2012
2nd in overall global clout, 2014
Four of the world's top six universities (and 19 of the top 100)
Second most Nobel Laureates (18 so far this century)
Even by population, we come in 22nd

That, apparently, makes for a 'little' country dependent not only for foreign policy, but for the entire point of its existence, on the EU. Who knew?

If we look inwards and close our borders, you'll see us falling sharply in all those generous statistics.
The EU isn't perfect, nothing is. But it has benefited every country in it, just as the Union has benefited every part of the British Isles.
We live in a super-national world now, with super-national issues. Thankfully we have a super-national government to deal with them.
Want Britain to lag behind every other European nation, then vote to leave the EU. Vote to put us in a position where we are dependent on EU legislation despite having no say in forming them, dependent on EU kindness despite snubbing them, forced to pay massive contributions to the EU despite not being a part of it.

[The UK in Exile]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

Cameron is making enemies in the European Council, but Britain is getting a good reputation with the European voters that want reform but don't have any sane political parties that would deliver it.

In other words he's irritating the people who can give him what he wants, in order to appeal to people who can't even get what they want?

[Valaran]

Cameron is making enemies in the European Council, but Britain is getting a good reputation with the European voters that want reform but don't have any sane political parties that would deliver it.

In other words he's irritating the people who can give him what he wants, in order to appeal to people who can't even get what they want?

One thinks logic wasn't his strong point.... or even if it was, its utterly twisted by a warped and contradictory view of what the electorate (or the section he pandering to) wants.

[Parti Ouvrier]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/03/dwp-benefits-electrician-work-placement-labour

i don't think i've ever seen anything that so perfectly encapsulates what is wrong this this scheme regardless of how good people think it sounds

e: good friends don't let their friends vote tory

Also in New Statesman '“Hunger, filth, fear and death”: remembering life before the NHS'
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... g-life-nhs

And 'The DWP won't tell us exactly where it sends people on placements for fear of protests'
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... r-protests

And this government has also overseen our stagnant productivity and 'the longest sustained fall in UK real wages since record began' Success!
http://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2 ... e-ecstasy/

[Parti Ouvrier]

So our Neanderthal like government has decided to ignore Merkels warning and go ahead with it's pathetic push for controls on Eu immigration. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29877746

This government sickens me, because it's getting to the point now where it almost doesn't matter if a pro EU government is elected in 2015, since our reputation across the EU is getting beaten daily by Cameron and co.

I agree with Ukip on one thing, let's have a referendum as soon as possible. No more half in half out bullshit, let's leave the EU, become a pointless little isolated Island, or lets fully integrate. Britain can't keep on trying to bend the rules, it makes us look weak.

6th largest economy (we may even overtake France before Brazil overtake us, briefly making us 5th)

Not in productivity levels, which will undoubtedly hold us back, er, just in time for moronic Osborne's election period, just in time for higher deficit.

Either 5th or 6th highest defence spending, with nuclear weapons and a permanent UNSC seat

Great.

One of the two A++ global cities

'GaWC Research Bulletin 5 and ranked cities based on their connectivity through four "advanced producer services": accountancy, advertising, banking/finance, and law', wonderful.

1st for soft power, 2012

Article from 2012, luck that we had things like Olympics, ect.

2nd in overall global clout, 2014<snip>

I'm not a fan of the current global hierarchy of states system.

That, apparently, makes for a 'little' country dependent not only for foreign policy, but for the entire point of its existence, on the EU. Who knew?

You haven't really proved the point that Britain should leave, a few nice stats is all very well and good,(besides, one could just as easily say EU wide, the EU is the second biggest economy, second in the world for exports, ect) but in such a modern globalised system, calls for Britain to prosper alone in utopian.

[Valaran]

6th largest economy (we may even overtake France before Brazil overtake us, briefly making us 5th)

Not in productivity levels, which will undoubtedly hold us back, er, just in time for moronic Osborne's election period, just in time for higher deficit.

Either 5th or 6th highest defence spending, with nuclear weapons and a permanent UNSC seat

Great.

One of the two A++ global cities

With 'GaWC Research Bulletin 5 and ranked cities based on their connectivity through four "advanced producer services": accountancy, advertising, banking/finance, and law, wonderful.

1st for soft power, 2012

Article from 2012, luck that we had things like Olympics, ect.

2nd in overall global clout, 2014<snip>

I'm not a fan of the current global hierarchy of states system.

That, apparently, makes for a 'little' country dependent not only for foreign policy, but for the entire point of its existence, on the EU. Who knew?

You haven't really proved the point that Britain should leave, a few nice stats is all very well and good,(besides, one could just as easily say EU wide, the EU is the second biggest economy, second in the world for exports, ect) but in such a modern globalised system, calls for Britain to prosper alone in utopian.

Generally in agreement, but with a few points (what's life NSG without the nitpicks?)

The EU is currently the largest economy (its greater than the US), though it will be eclipsed, judging by the state of things in it.

And while you may not be a fan of the global hierarchy, it is still like that, by and large. And the UK is still rather high up it.

Just to reiterate, we're otherwise on the same page here - these aren't meant as general rebuttals, but as minor amendments to support your overall point

[Parti Ouvrier]

Not in productivity levels, which will undoubtedly hold us back, er, just in time for moronic Osborne's election period, just in time for higher deficit.


Great.

With 'GaWC Research Bulletin 5 and ranked cities based on their connectivity through four "advanced producer services": accountancy, advertising, banking/finance, and law, wonderful.

Article from 2012, luck that we had things like Olympics, ect.

I'm not a fan of the current global hierarchy of states system.


You haven't really proved the point that Britain should leave, a few nice stats is all very well and good,(besides, one could just as easily say EU wide, the EU is the second biggest economy, second in the world for exports, ect) but in such a modern globalised system, calls for Britain to prosper alone in utopian.

Generally in agreement, but with a few points (what's life NSG without the nitpicks?)

The EU is currently the largest economy (its greater than the US), though it will be eclipsed, judging by the state of things in it.

And while you may not be a fan of the global hierarchy, it is still like that, by and large. And the UK is still rather high up it.

Just to reiterate, we're otherwise on the same page here - these aren't meant as general rebuttals, but as minor amendments to support your overall point

Indeed, I know the NSG drill

[Valaran]

Indeed, I know the NSG drill

Thanks for understanding

Thought I should just make that point though, as I've found quite often how I may come across as an apologist, or whatever.

[The Nihilistic view]

6th largest economy (we may even overtake France before Brazil overtake us, briefly making us 5th)
Either 5th or 6th highest defence spending, with nuclear weapons and a permanent UNSC seat
One of the two A++ global cities
1st for soft power, 2012
2nd in overall global clout, 2014
Four of the world's top six universities (and 19 of the top 100)
Second most Nobel Laureates (18 so far this century)
Even by population, we come in 22nd

That, apparently, makes for a 'little' country dependent not only for foreign policy, but for the entire point of its existence, on the EU. Who knew?

If we look inwards and close our borders, you'll see us falling sharply in all those generous statistics.
The EU isn't perfect, nothing is. But it has benefited every country in it, just as the Union has benefited every part of the British Isles.
We live in a super-national world now, with super-national issues. Thankfully we have a super-national government to deal with them.
Want Britain to lag behind every other European nation, then vote to leave the EU. Vote to put us in a position where we are dependent on EU legislation despite having no say in forming them, dependent on EU kindness despite snubbing them, forced to pay massive contributions to the EU despite not being a part of it.

One of the big arguments for leaving is because the EU is an inward looking protectionist club that should do more with the rest of the world. So in that situation leaving would be looking outwards if we want to deal more with the rest of the world. Nor does it automatically mean closing borders. We can have them as open as we want them.

The rest is just a load of made up crap. We would not have to abide by any legislation other than that that involved with exporting goods to the EU. I don't think anybody is seriously suggesting we go down the Norway/Swiss route once push comes to shove. In that case why would we be bothered about having a say in legislation we don't want to affect us and won't apply to us anyway? Secondly you actually think the EU would instigate a trade embargo on the UK? Business want good products at competitive prices, being out of the EU won't change that if our firms stay competitively priced they will get business from Europe. Finally if you aren't in the EU or some other half in half out agreement like Norway of the Swiss you don't have to pay anything. If you aren't part of an organisation you don't pay towards it an nobody can force you unless one agreed to pay. What would happen is there would be small export tariffs of an average of about 3%, goods exported from Europe to us will have a small tariff as well. This money goes to the coffers of whatever country the goods are imported to. This is not different to any other country without a free trade agreement with the EU. And most people would be in favour of free trade agreements that deal just with trade.

And lag behind the Eurozone, that's about as absurd a claim as I have heard in years. If anything it's holding us back with it's weak demand and lurching from crisis to crisis.