British 2015 general election poll

[Dejanic]

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

Please stop assuming that every Englander reads the Daily Fail.

How in the world did he assume that? He didn't make any attack against the average "Englander" he was talking about Clegg/Cameron and their hysteria over the SNP.

[Alyakia]

from what i understand telling scotland to fuck off and falling into catatonic rage as soon as scotland exercises its political power in the UK immediately after voting to be part of it and having everyone do everything in their power to make sure that they think that most (if not possibly all depending on how the election goes) of scotlands elected representatives are pricks who cannot ever under any circumstances be in a governing coalition so help me god to the point some MPs and peers think a con-lab coalition specifically to keep them out is a good idea are completely different and in no way sends a bad message to scotland

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

Because it's a pro-separation party, not because it's Scottish.

the pro-separation party whose power is the result of the exercising of the will of the scottish people. telling the party that the scottish people voted for they can fuck off is to me functionally the same as telling scotland to fuck off unless it votes for the right kind of party.

ed told them to fuck off because they want to break up the country and that's that.

If that were true, he'd have told them to fuck off a long time ago. He only said it when it became an issue on the doorsteps in marginals.

i don't get it. are you implying he lied when he said "i have no lot with the SNP they want to break up the country"? because labour and the SNP have never been friends. (well, in my lifetime, maybe someone will say they were totes friends in the 60s or something but i doubt it)

[LoveIra]

The UK gov should maybe cut the spending by abolishing the regional parliaments, three parliaments are to much.

[Frasers]

It's not because it's Scottish, it's because it's separatist.

You can't have a party that doesn't care about the rest of the country make long ranging decisions, it just isn't in the majority of the total population's interests

Yeah so it's great that we have the Conservatives making decisions about poor people, or the Scots, or ethnic minorities, because they greatly care about all those groups.

And actually, who says the SNP don't care about the English? I'd say they'd be better for the average working class England than the Tories any day of the week.

[Vasileus]

It's not because it's Scottish, it's because it's separatist.

You can't have a party that doesn't care about the rest of the country make long ranging decisions, it just isn't in the majority of the total population's interests

It is entirely delusional to claim that the SNP inherently don't care about people in England and Wales.

Quite the opposite, most supporters of the SNP that I've met believe that an independent Scotland can encourage English and Welsh people to try something else, something better.

Well, what about decisions about more English issues? Say, plans to expand London infrastructure. It'd benefit the entire country, but I can't see the SNP really taking up the cause, if you will.

[Arglorand]

Here's a fuckin paradox, though: if the Scots had voted yes, the SNP would probably be in the first steps of a dissolution by now.

[Arglorand]

It is entirely delusional to claim that the SNP inherently don't care about people in England and Wales.

Quite the opposite, most supporters of the SNP that I've met believe that an independent Scotland can encourage English and Welsh people to try something else, something better.

Well, what about decisions about more English issues? Say, plans to expand London infrastructure. It'd benefit the entire country, but I can't see the SNP really taking up the cause, if you will.

SNP policy until now has been to abstain on solely English issues. I'd presume they'd keep to that.

[Alyakia]

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

Please stop assuming that every English person reads the Daily Fail.

please stop pretending that the sun and daily mail are not actively trying to influence the views of their millions of readers

from what i understand telling scotland to fuck off and falling into catatonic rage as soon as scotland exercises its political power in the UK immediately after voting to be part of it and having everyone do everything in their power to make sure that they think that most (if not possibly all depending on how the election goes) of scotlands elected representatives are pricks who cannot ever under any circumstances be in a governing coalition so help me god to the point some MPs and peers think a con-lab coalition specifically to keep them out is a good idea are completely different and in no way sends a bad message to scotland

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

It's not because it's Scottish, it's because it's separatist.

You can't have a party that doesn't care about the rest of the country make long ranging decisions, it just isn't in the majority of the total population's interests

nicola sturgeon has said she will work for progressive change for the entire UK

The word is independence.

We're not in Eastern Ukraine to use politically loaded terms at every turn.

Same shit. Separation, independence, you're a bit paranoid if you think the latter is any different or more loaded than the other.

it's the same difference between revolution and civil war/rebellion. i can't think of a single separatist that actually calls themselves a separatist and the reason for this is that it has a negative connotation.

why do i have a feeling i've just opened myself up for another tedious debate about how words mean things and in particular political words are chosen very carefully with someone that fundamentally knows this is true but in their particular case won't admit it

[Vasileus]

Well, what about decisions about more English issues? Say, plans to expand London infrastructure. It'd benefit the entire country, but I can't see the SNP really taking up the cause, if you will.

SNP policy until now has been to abstain on solely English issues. I'd presume they'd keep to that.

But how can they do that if they're part of a coalition government? You can't just keep out of more than a quarter of the country's issues if you're part of the government

[Krumbia]

Is it possible that the Tories have done something right, and the economy is now in "better shape" than it was 5 years ago?

[Miletos]

SNP policy until now has been to abstain on solely English issues. I'd presume they'd keep to that.

But how can they do that if they're part of a coalition government? You can't just keep out of more than a quarter of the country's issues if you're part of the government

They aren't going to be part of a coalition government. Neither they nor Labour want to have a coalition government and they've both come out and said they won't coalition with each other.

[Alyakia]

It is entirely delusional to claim that the SNP inherently don't care about people in England and Wales.

Quite the opposite, most supporters of the SNP that I've met believe that an independent Scotland can encourage English and Welsh people to try something else, something better.

Well, what about decisions about more English issues? Say, plans to expand London infrastructure. It'd benefit the entire country, but I can't see the SNP really taking up the cause, if you will.

if only there was a way to have english issues decided on a more local level

i agree though we should ban parties that only benefit small parts of the country at the expense of the rest *snicker*

[Arglorand]

SNP policy until now has been to abstain on solely English issues. I'd presume they'd keep to that.

But how can they do that if they're part of a coalition government? You can't just keep out of more than a quarter of the country's issues if you're part of the government

They don't intend and have never intended to be part of a coalition government. They only want a deal that Scotland would get more autonomy and more democracy in exchange for their support of the government, which would probably be a minority Lab government.

For Christ's sake. This has been stated by Sturgeon so many times I can hear it from across the North and Baltic seas. God-dammit.

[Ragnarum]

So much UKIP on Nationstates...

[Alyakia]

SNP policy until now has been to abstain on solely English issues. I'd presume they'd keep to that.

But how can they do that if they're part of a coalition government? You can't just keep out of more than a quarter of the country's issues if you're part of the government

it's not like every party is climbing head over heels to prove how they hate the SNP most and will never work with them

[Geilinor]

Well, what about decisions about more English issues? Say, plans to expand London infrastructure. It'd benefit the entire country, but I can't see the SNP really taking up the cause, if you will.

if only there was a way to have english issues decided on a more local level

i agree though we should ban parties that only benefit small parts of the country at the expense of the rest *snicker*

Nobody wants to ban the SNP, can you please stop using strawmen?

[Alyakia]

if only there was a way to have english issues decided on a more local level

i agree though we should ban parties that only benefit small parts of the country at the expense of the rest *snicker*

Nobody wants to ban the SNP, can you please stop using strawmen?

i never said they did that was my own personal opinion :-)

[Arglorand]

if only there was a way to have english issues decided on a more local level

i agree though we should ban parties that only benefit small parts of the country at the expense of the rest *snicker*

Nobody wants to ban the SNP, can you please stop using strawmen?

I don't think you got the joke.

[Arglorand]

Honestly, I think we all need to take a chill pill and just laugh.

[Frasers]

Honestly, I think we all need to take a chill pill and just laugh.

I like the mental image of Danny Alexander getting slapped about by George Osborne

[Alyakia]

I ALWAYS wonder why they always capitalize the first two words

[Frasers]

I ALWAYS wonder why they always capitalize the first two words

I think it's convention from the days of print, my dad used to be a printer and I'm gonna give him a ring in a minute, I'll ask him for ya

[Arglorand]

this has two points: 1) pro-separation eh

2) how the shit does mcternan's brain register information

[Frasers]

this has two points: 1) pro-separation eh

2) how the shit does mcternan's brain register information

The SDLP hasn't even occurred to me. Labour are such fucking hypocrites I'm glad I didn't vote for em now, been having post-postal vote remorse but fuck the red shite, they're sellouts.

[Marcurix]

Because it's a pro-separation party, not because it's Scottish.

the pro-separation party whose power is the result of the exercising of the will of the scottish people. telling the party that the scottish people voted for they can fuck off is to me functionally the same as telling scotland to fuck off unless it votes for the right kind of party.

Like places voting for the Tories?

Because there really isn't a difference between wanting to keep the SNP or the Tories out.

Same shit. Separation, independence, you're a bit paranoid if you think the latter is any different or more loaded than the other.

it's the same difference between revolution and civil war/rebellion. i can't think of a single separatist that actually calls themselves a separatist and the reason for this is that it has a negative connotation.

why do i have a feeling i've just opened myself up for another tedious debate about how words mean things and in particular political words are chosen very carefully with someone that fundamentally knows this is true but in their particular case won't admit it

They want to leave the UK, whether you want to make that negative or positive that is where the root of the problem lies. Not because it was they were Scottish.