British 2015 general election poll

[Dejanic]

This trident redline is such a stupid politicians issue. I doubt there's anyone outside of the nuclear engineering industry who actually votes based on trident. If you ask the average Brit about trident, they'll think of the gum.

[Marcurix]

it doesn't matter if they agree on trident or not. ed told them to fuck off because they want to break up the country and that's that. if he goes back on this there will be hell to pay in the english seats and the tories will literally explode in simultaneous orgasm.

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off

Good thing it isn't, then.

[Frasers]

This trident redline is such a stupid politicians issue. I doubt there's anyone outside of the nuclear engineering industry who actually votes based on trident. If you ask the average Brit about trident, they'll think of the gum.

One of my mates refuses to vote Green pretty much solely on their policy towards nukes

[Dejanic]

This trident redline is such a stupid politicians issue. I doubt there's anyone outside of the nuclear engineering industry who actually votes based on trident. If you ask the average Brit about trident, they'll think of the gum.

One of my mates refuses to vote Green pretty much solely on their policy towards nukes

That's fair enough, but I'm going to make a fair guess that outside of ultra political junkies like us, you're going to struggle to find much public care about the issue. It's certainly near the bottom at least.

[LoveIra]

I thought that only applied to EU, not outside EU?

Britain has a rapidly ageing population, we're going to need many more immigrants to cope with this.

Why just not encurage the people to have more babies instead?

[Geilinor]

it doesn't matter if they agree on trident or not. ed told them to fuck off because they want to break up the country and that's that. if he goes back on this there will be hell to pay in the english seats and the tories will literally explode in simultaneous orgasm.

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off

Labour has nothing to lose in Scotland by saying that considering they aren't going to win many seats. You said my earlier post was confused, so I'll explain what I meant. Based on the expected results, forming a government without the Tories will involve some form of agreement between the SNP and Labour.

[Alyakia]

it doesn't matter if they agree on trident or not. ed told them to fuck off because they want to break up the country and that's that. if he goes back on this there will be hell to pay in the english seats and the tories will literally explode in simultaneous orgasm.

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off

from what i understand telling scotland to fuck off and falling into catatonic rage as soon as scotland exercises its political power in the UK immediately after voting to be part of it and having everyone do everything in their power to make sure that they think that most (if not possibly all depending on how the election goes) of scotlands elected representatives are pricks who cannot ever under any circumstances be in a governing coalition so help me god to the point some MPs and peers think a con-lab coalition specifically to keep them out is a good idea are completely different and in no way sends a bad message to scotland

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

[L Ron Cupboard]

This trident redline is such a stupid politicians issue. I doubt there's anyone outside of the nuclear engineering industry who actually votes based on trident. If you ask the average Brit about trident, they'll think of the gum.

Maybe it's a generational thing but it was a big issue to many of us in the past, CND were a major movement from the 50s through to the 90s.

[Miletos]

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off

Labour has nothing to lose in Scotland by saying that considering they aren't going to win many seats. You said my earlier post was confused, so I'll explain what I meant. Based on the expected results, forming a government without the Tories will involve some form of agreement between the SNP and Labour.

Why? Technically speaking, Miliband doesn't really have to offer the SNP anything, because they's probably vote with him on most issues while the Tories would back him up on issues like Trident.

It's also of direct benefit to both Labour and the SNP to run a Labour-minority government.

[Frasers]

That's fair enough, but I'm going to make a fair guess that outside of ultra political junkies like us, you're going to struggle to find much public care about the issue. It's certainly near the bottom at least.

It's actually a pretty big bone of contention amongst a lot of my friends, but I know quite a lot of socially liberal squaddies so I recognise that they aren't exactly a representative sample of the public at large.

[Dejanic]

Britain has a rapidly ageing population, we're going to need many more immigrants to cope with this.

Why just not encurage the people to have more babies instead?

I don't see why we should "encourage" people already here to have more babies, when we can simply let more immigrants in. I don't see how the former is better, unless you are more partial to "indigenous" Brits or whatever. It really isn't a concern of mine frankly.

[Marcurix]

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off

from what i understand telling scotland to fuck off and falling into catatonic rage as soon as scotland exercises its political power in the UK immediately after voting to be part of it and having everyone do everything in their power to make sure that they think that most (if not possibly all depending on how the election goes) of scotlands elected representatives are pricks who cannot ever under any circumstances be in a governing coalition so help me god to the point some MPs and peers think a con-lab coalition specifically to keep them out is a good idea are completely different and in no way sends a bad message to scotland

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

Because it's a pro-separation party, not because it's Scottish.

[Britanno 2]

ed told them to fuck off because they want to break up the country and that's that.

If that were true, he'd have told them to fuck off a long time ago. He only said it when it became an issue on the doorsteps in marginals.

[Dejanic]

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off

from what i understand telling scotland to fuck off and falling into catatonic rage as soon as scotland exercises its political power in the UK immediately after voting to be part of it and having everyone do everything in their power to make sure that they think that most (if not possibly all depending on how the election goes) of scotlands elected representatives are pricks who cannot ever under any circumstances be in a governing coalition so help me god to the point some MPs and peers think a con-lab coalition specifically to keep them out is a good idea are completely different and in no way sends a bad message to scotland

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

It's pathetic really. I mean wow, we'd have a government propped up by a party that only exists in Scotland! (Because Scotland is lesser to England/Wales, right?). Yet we've had a government for the past 5 years led by a party that basically only exists in England.

[Arglorand]

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off

Labour has nothing to lose in Scotland by saying that considering they aren't going to win many seats. You said my earlier post was confused, so I'll explain what I meant. Based on the expected results, forming a government without the Tories will involve some form of agreement between the SNP and Labour.

EVEN IF there's no agreement between SNP and Labour, the Tories will only form a government if they surge massively before election day.

Because they, too, need a majority.

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off

from what i understand telling scotland to fuck off and falling into catatonic rage as soon as scotland exercises its political power in the UK immediately after voting to be part of it and having everyone do everything in their power to make sure that they think that most (if not possibly all depending on how the election goes) of scotlands elected representatives are pricks who cannot ever under any circumstances be in a governing coalition so help me god to the point some MPs and peers think a con-lab coalition specifically to keep them out is a good idea are completely different and in no way sends a bad message to scotland

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

not gonna lie, this election IS the greatest constitutional crisis for the past eighty or so years already - because nearly everyone in westminster is genuinely acting ridiculous.

it's like britain is being dragged, screaming and kicking (or in the case of scotland, gently led along as it laughs) into a more european system and it just can't face the fact that this isn't the apocalypse

[LoveIra]

Why just not encurage the people to have more babies instead?

I don't see why we should "encourage" people already here to have more babies, when we can simply let more immigrants in. I don't see how the former is better, unless you are more partial to "indigenous" Brits or whatever. It really isn't a concern of mine frankly.

Because immigration is generally speaking a bad idea, for the country that receives immigrants as well for countries that send immigrants. Some countries are loosing its population which is bad for them, while if another country accepts the false type of immigrants it is causing social conflicts and incident like Charlie Hebdo or the Woolwich attacks.

[Marcurix]

from what i understand telling scotland to fuck off and falling into catatonic rage as soon as scotland exercises its political power in the UK immediately after voting to be part of it and having everyone do everything in their power to make sure that they think that most (if not possibly all depending on how the election goes) of scotlands elected representatives are pricks who cannot ever under any circumstances be in a governing coalition so help me god to the point some MPs and peers think a con-lab coalition specifically to keep them out is a good idea are completely different and in no way sends a bad message to scotland

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

It's pathetic really. I mean wow, we'd have a government propped up by a party that only exists in Scotland! (Because Scotland is lesser to England/Wales, right?). Yet we've had a government for the past 5 years led by a party that basically only exists in England.

Once again, because it's a pro-separation party, not because it's Scottish.

[Vasileus]

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off

from what i understand telling scotland to fuck off and falling into catatonic rage as soon as scotland exercises its political power in the UK immediately after voting to be part of it and having everyone do everything in their power to make sure that they think that most (if not possibly all depending on how the election goes) of scotlands elected representatives are pricks who cannot ever under any circumstances be in a governing coalition so help me god to the point some MPs and peers think a con-lab coalition specifically to keep them out is a good idea are completely different and in no way sends a bad message to scotland

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

It's not because it's Scottish, it's because it's separatist.

You can't have a party that doesn't care about the rest of the country make long ranging decisions, it just isn't in the majority of the total population's interests

[Dejanic]

I don't see why we should "encourage" people already here to have more babies, when we can simply let more immigrants in. I don't see how the former is better, unless you are more partial to "indigenous" Brits or whatever. It really isn't a concern of mine frankly.

Because immigration is generally speaking a bad idea, for the country that receives immigrants as well for countries that send immigrants. Some countries are loosing its population which is bad for them, while if another country accepts the false type of immigrants it is causing social conflicts and incident like Charlie Hebdo or the Woolwich attacks.

I'm not a racist, so hysteria like this hardly crosses my mind.

[Arglorand]

It's pathetic really. I mean wow, we'd have a government propped up by a party that only exists in Scotland! (Because Scotland is lesser to England/Wales, right?). Yet we've had a government for the past 5 years led by a party that basically only exists in England.

Once again, because it's a pro-separation party, not because it's Scottish.

The word is independence.

We're not in Eastern Ukraine to use politically loaded terms at every turn.

[Frasers]

It's pathetic really. I mean wow, we'd have a government propped up by a party that only exists in Scotland! (Because Scotland is lesser to England/Wales, right?). Yet we've had a government for the past 5 years led by a party that basically only exists in England.

It fucking infuriates me how much bollocks rhetoric is being thrown around about the SNP.

"It's a disaster I tell you you may as well vote in Godzilla as minister for Tokyo they want to DESTROY the country."

It's a huge steaming pile of wank, if they end up in parliament who the fuck are you to tell the Scots they've voted for the wrong party.

[Britanno 2]

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

Please stop assuming that every English person reads the Daily Fail.

[Marcurix]

Once again, because it's a pro-separation party, not because it's Scottish.

The word is independence.

We're not in Eastern Ukraine to use politically loaded terms at every turn.

Same shit. Separation, independence, you're a bit paranoid if you think the latter is any different or more loaded than the other.

[LoveIra]

I'm not a racist, so hysteria like this hardly crosses my mind.

This is not hysteria, such social conflicts have been common through out human history.

[Arglorand]

from what i understand telling scotland to fuck off and falling into catatonic rage as soon as scotland exercises its political power in the UK immediately after voting to be part of it and having everyone do everything in their power to make sure that they think that most (if not possibly all depending on how the election goes) of scotlands elected representatives are pricks who cannot ever under any circumstances be in a governing coalition so help me god to the point some MPs and peers think a con-lab coalition specifically to keep them out is a good idea are completely different and in no way sends a bad message to scotland

e: and of course a labour government propped up by the party most of scotland voted for is unacceptable (nick cleggs verbatim word choice there) and horrible and possibly the greatest constitutional crisis for the past 80 or so years

It's not because it's Scottish, it's because it's separatist.

You can't have a party that doesn't care about the rest of the country make long ranging decisions, it just isn't in the majority of the total population's interests

It is entirely delusional to claim that the SNP inherently don't care about people in England and Wales.

Quite the opposite, most supporters of the SNP that I've met believe that an independent Scotland can encourage English and Welsh people to try something else, something better.