British 2015 general election poll

[Alyakia]

The SNP being an exception

The SNP has no current coalition partners and they'll go with anyone who gives Scotland more powers.

the SNP are extremely unlikely to form a coalition because 1) it's a bad idea 2) everyone has told the SNP to fuck off

[Geilinor]

It what happens because of the system we are in. It has happened.

If you try to screw over the party that got the most seats, it won't go well.

actually it sorta reminds me of gordon brown and the "he wasn't elected" fiasco

sure it makes people angry but that doesn't change the fact that that's not how the country actually works

The largest party was elected to be the largest party.

[Alyakia]

actually it sorta reminds me of gordon brown and the "he wasn't elected" fiasco

sure it makes people angry but that doesn't change the fact that that's not how the country actually works

The largest party was elected to be the largest party.

yes

[Miletos]

"We will add a heart to a Conservative Government and a brain to a Labour one."

Buddy's hedging his bets before he gets to the racetrack

Applying a Wizard of Oz metaphor and extending it, that quote would imply that the Lib Dems don't have courage.

In terms of unintended messages, it's up there with Ted Cruz quoting Green Eggs and Ham during his anti-Obamacare speech.

[Dejanic]

actually it sorta reminds me of gordon brown and the "he wasn't elected" fiasco

sure it makes people angry but that doesn't change the fact that that's not how the country actually works

The largest party was elected to be the largest party.

Doesn't mean they have a god given right to be in government. The Social Democrats were consistently elected as the largest party in Sweden, yet the moderate led coalition still ruled for years. This is European politics coming to Britain.

[Miletos]

The largest party was elected to be the largest party.

Doesn't mean they have a god given right to be in government. The Social Democrats were consistently elected as the largest party in Sweden, yet the moderate led coalition still ruled for years. This is European politics coming to Britain.

We'll 'ave none of that foreign muck over 'ere, mate! You can take yer bloody "coalitions" and yer "minorities" - BLOODY MINORITIES - and bugger off back to Brussels Sprouts and Yourup with 'em and all. This is Britun, and in Britun we only ever 'ave strong, stable majority governments. Always 'ave done (except all the times we 'aven't, like currently) and always will!

[Marcurix]

Lol no.

They've been bashing Labour day one of the election.

This is politics, and the SNP can play the popular brand like a well tuned harp, but you're kidding yourself if you think the SNP are different in the tactics they use.

They haven't chosen the power at any cost route given their repetition that the Tories are a no go partner

Neither did the Lib Dems.

But now the SNP are saying they'll go with a party they dubbed "the red Tories", the party that has been their enemy in this election. That trident red line? Gone, so they can partner with a pro-nuclear party.

Does that get them power? Yes, yes it does. A lot of power, depending on who you listen to.

[Arglorand]

Doesn't mean they have a god given right to be in government. The Social Democrats were consistently elected as the largest party in Sweden, yet the moderate led coalition still ruled for years. This is European politics coming to Britain.

We'll 'ave none of that foreign muck over 'ere, mate! You can take yer bloody "coalitions" and yer "minorities" - BLOODY MINORITIES - and bugger off back to Brussels Sprouts and Yourup with 'em and all. This is Britun, and in Britun we only ever 'ave strong, stable majority governments. Always 'ave done (except all the times we 'aven't, like currently) and always will!

Guys, guys, guys, we've already long figured out that Belgium votes in Westminster elections too, relax.

[Alyakia]

They haven't chosen the power at any cost route given their repetition that the Tories are a no go partner

Neither did the Lib Dems.

But now the SNP are saying they'll go with a party they dubbed "the red Tories", the party that has been their enemy in this election. That trident red line? Gone, so they can partner with a pro-nuclear party.

Does that get them power? Yes, yes it does. A lot of power, depending on who you listen to.

how does it get them power though? it keeps the tories out at the expense of getting labour in. sturgeon can't be PM so.

[Dejanic]

They haven't chosen the power at any cost route given their repetition that the Tories are a no go partner

Neither did the Lib Dems.

But now the SNP are saying they'll go with a party they dubbed "the red Tories", the party that has been their enemy in this election. That trident red line? Gone, so they can partner with a pro-nuclear party.

Does that get them power? Yes, yes it does. A lot of power, depending on who you listen to.

You're twisting the facts. They've said they'll vote with or against Labour on a vote by vote basis, so confidence and supply. No one, SNP or Labour, has suggested a coalition.

[Geilinor]

i think the idea that a party can get 36% of the votes and 45% of the seats people will say they have the legitimacy to be in government kinda bs

shush alyakia

only the SNP has no democratic right to be considered a legitimate political force, even if they get the support of 70%+ of the scottish electorate

the tories have an inborn right to rule

... *nods*

According to you, the SNP will let the Tories form a government anyway. More likely, Sturgeon and Miliband will sell out on their promises to not make any form of agreement.

[Arglorand]

They haven't chosen the power at any cost route given their repetition that the Tories are a no go partner

Neither did the Lib Dems.

But now the SNP are saying they'll go with a party they dubbed "the red Tories", the party that has been their enemy in this election. That trident red line? Gone, so they can partner with a pro-nuclear party.

Does that get them power? Yes, yes it does. A lot of power, depending on who you listen to.

They stated that Trident was a red line for any potential coalition, something they said was unlikely already from the start. Now they're talking about a supply and confidence deal at best, because they can't get Labour to agree on that red line.

[Alyakia]

shush alyakia

only the SNP has no democratic right to be considered a legitimate political force, even if they get the support of 70%+ of the scottish electorate

the tories have an inborn right to rule

... *nods*

According to you, the SNP will let the Tories form a government anyway. More likely, Sturgeon and Miliband will sell out on their promises to not make any form of agreement.

if they can get milliband in without a formal coalition they will. a coalition would be political suicide, just like last time.

[Arglorand]

shush alyakia

only the SNP has no democratic right to be considered a legitimate political force, even if they get the support of 70%+ of the scottish electorate

the tories have an inborn right to rule

... *nods*

According to you, the SNP will let the Tories form a government anyway. More likely, Sturgeon and Miliband will sell out on their promises to not make any form of agreement.

What?

How are the two sentences of your post even RELATED?

And furthermore where did I claim the SNP would let the Tories form a government?

Geil no offense to you you're a fine person but in this thread you have literally been the most confused person since Page 1

[Marcurix]

Neither did the Lib Dems.

But now the SNP are saying they'll go with a party they dubbed "the red Tories", the party that has been their enemy in this election. That trident red line? Gone, so they can partner with a pro-nuclear party.

Does that get them power? Yes, yes it does. A lot of power, depending on who you listen to.

how does it get them power though? it keeps the tories out at the expense of getting labour in. sturgeon can't be PM so.

Neither could Clegg.

But i'm simply pointing out that this idea the SNP are somehow different to the Lib Dems is false.

The SNP will compromise for power. They have, and will continue to do so to achieve the goals they wish. Whether that be keeping out the Tories or whatever else.

All they have to do is not cross that blue line and they don't get demonized.

[Alyakia]

how does it get them power though? it keeps the tories out at the expense of getting labour in. sturgeon can't be PM so.

Neither could Clegg.

But i'm simply pointing out that this idea the SNP are somehow different to the Lib Dems is false.

The SNP will compromise for power. They have, and will continue to do so to achieve the goals they wish. Whether that be keeping out the Tories or whatever else.

All they have to do is not cross that blue line and they don't get demonized.

i need to check do you legitimately think there will be a coalition

if not, exactly how are they going to get power?

e: the SNP are different from the lib dems because they are smart enough to see that, for example, a coalition with the tories is literal suicide

[Marcurix]

Neither did the Lib Dems.

But now the SNP are saying they'll go with a party they dubbed "the red Tories", the party that has been their enemy in this election. That trident red line? Gone, so they can partner with a pro-nuclear party.

Does that get them power? Yes, yes it does. A lot of power, depending on who you listen to.

You're twisting the facts. They've said they'll vote with or against Labour on a vote by vote basis, so confidence and supply. No one, SNP or Labour, has suggested a coalition.

Great.

Point out where in my sentence where i said coalition.

[Geilinor]

The largest party was elected to be the largest party.

Doesn't mean they have a god given right to be in government. The Social Democrats were consistently elected as the largest party in Sweden, yet the moderate led coalition still ruled for years. This is European politics coming to Britain.

Continental European politics isn't inherently bad.

[Arglorand]

Doesn't mean they have a god given right to be in government. The Social Democrats were consistently elected as the largest party in Sweden, yet the moderate led coalition still ruled for years. This is European politics coming to Britain.

Continental European politics isn't inherently bad.

Where did Dej claim they were?

[Marcurix]

Neither could Clegg.

But i'm simply pointing out that this idea the SNP are somehow different to the Lib Dems is false.

The SNP will compromise for power. They have, and will continue to do so to achieve the goals they wish. Whether that be keeping out the Tories or whatever else.

All they have to do is not cross that blue line and they don't get demonized.

i need to check do you legitimately think there will be a coalition

if not, exactly how are they going to get power?

e: the SNP are different from the lib dems because they are smart enough to see that, for example, a coalition with the tories is literal suicide

Why is it that when i say power, people seem to jump to coalition?

You're all smart enough to know that you don't have to be in a coalition to have power in this system.

[Alyakia]

i need to check do you legitimately think there will be a coalition

if not, exactly how are they going to get power?

e: the SNP are different from the lib dems because they are smart enough to see that, for example, a coalition with the tories is literal suicide

Why is it that when i say power, people seem to jump to coalition?

You're all smart enough to know that you don't have to be in a coalition to have power in this system.

because that's what power means in an electoral context

still, do tell.

[Marcurix]

Neither did the Lib Dems.

But now the SNP are saying they'll go with a party they dubbed "the red Tories", the party that has been their enemy in this election. That trident red line? Gone, so they can partner with a pro-nuclear party.

Does that get them power? Yes, yes it does. A lot of power, depending on who you listen to.

They stated that Trident was a red line for any potential coalition, something they said was unlikely already from the start. Now they're talking about a supply and confidence deal at best, because they can't get Labour to agree on that red line.

Exactly.

[Dejanic]

Doesn't mean they have a god given right to be in government. The Social Democrats were consistently elected as the largest party in Sweden, yet the moderate led coalition still ruled for years. This is European politics coming to Britain.

Continental European politics isn't inherently bad.

I WASN'T IMPLYING THAT, I WAS IMPLYING THE OPPOSITE, I'M A BLOODY EUROPEAN FEDERALIST GEILINOR, ARGH.

I have nothing against you Geilinor, I really don't. But you're very confused on European/British politics. You're like a different person on this thread, where as you've always come across as very educated on American politics.

I don't want to sound insulting, it just wouldn't hurt to do a bit more research.

[Alyakia]

Neither did the Lib Dems.

But now the SNP are saying they'll go with a party they dubbed "the red Tories", the party that has been their enemy in this election. That trident red line? Gone, so they can partner with a pro-nuclear party.

Does that get them power? Yes, yes it does. A lot of power, depending on who you listen to.

They stated that Trident was a red line for any potential coalition, something they said was unlikely already from the start. Now they're talking about a supply and confidence deal at best, because they can't get Labour to agree on that red line.

it doesn't matter if they agree on trident or not. ed told them to fuck off because they want to break up the country and that's that. if he goes back on this there will be hell to pay in the english seats and the tories will literally explode in simultaneous orgasm.

e: literally

[Arglorand]

They stated that Trident was a red line for any potential coalition, something they said was unlikely already from the start. Now they're talking about a supply and confidence deal at best, because they can't get Labour to agree on that red line.

it doesn't matter if they agree on trident or not. ed told them to fuck off because they want to break up the country and that's that. if he goes back on this there will be hell to pay in the english seats and the tories will literally explode in simultaneous orgasm.

It really describes just how badly this union is not working when the only way to win votes in one member country (England) is to tell people in another member country (Scotland) to fuck off