British 2015 general election poll

[Marcurix]

Better quality, my volume is up all the way and I'm still have trouble.

Edit: never mind, found one.

oOOOOO where? I've been looking for another source and failing

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/01/wa ... nts-on-tv/

[Vasileus]

I'm watching clips from the leader's debate, and my god what a fucking little weezle Nick clegg is. Straight up saying he'll stab his current coalition partners in the back if it means the lib-dems will stay in power.

how can anyone vote for someone like that?

[Dejanic]

That and the Lib Dems have blatantly refused to work with UKIP. And whilst I do believe the current Lib Dems are spineless, power hungry, and in many ways quite pathetic, I do believe them on this.

[Conscentia]

I'm watching clips from the leader's debate, and my god what a fucking little weezle Nick clegg is. Straight up saying he'll stab his current coalition partners in the back if it means the lib-dems will stay in power.

how can anyone vote for someone like that?

The Liberal Democrats have no obligation to be loyal to the Conservatives.

[Alyakia]

I'm watching clips from the leader's debate, and my god what a fucking little weezle Nick clegg is. Straight up saying he'll stab his current coalition partners in the back if it means the lib-dems will stay in power.

how can anyone vote for someone like that?

it depends massively on what he said and how he said it

"w-w-we will only coalition with the party with the most seats" is probably passable

[Miletos]

I'm watching clips from the leader's debate, and my god what a fucking little weezle Nick clegg is. Straight up saying he'll stab his current coalition partners in the back if it means the lib-dems will stay in power.

how can anyone vote for someone like that?

I don't know. It's literally a vote for the personification of the Golden Mean Fallacy.

[Geilinor]

I'm watching clips from the leader's debate, and my god what a fucking little weezle Nick clegg is. Straight up saying he'll stab his current coalition partners in the back if it means the lib-dems will stay in power.

how can anyone vote for someone like that?

The Liberal Democrats have no obligation to be loyal to the Conservatives.

I agree, this is a new election and the LibDems are an independent party.

[Vasileus]

I'm watching clips from the leader's debate, and my god what a fucking little weezle Nick clegg is. Straight up saying he'll stab his current coalition partners in the back if it means the lib-dems will stay in power.

how can anyone vote for someone like that?

The Liberal Democrats have no obligation to be loyal to the Conservatives.

But really, he's basically saying he'll do whatever it takes to stay in government. He shows no loyalty nor any caring for ideology in some quest to stay out of the unemployment insurance lines, or whatever.

[Alyakia]

he'll probably lose his seat anyway

[Marcurix]

If the conservatives get the most seats, they'll have fist pick at a coalition.

If they can get one, we carry on as we have. If they don't they'll try for a minority gov.

Well statistics are showing that even with the lead that they'll have, they'll won't be able to form a government even with Lib Dem, UKIP, and even DUP backing. They'd need SNP support, which won't happen.

I can see the Tories collapsing here, even if they "win". Cameron certainly won't be leader for much longer.

That depends on a number of things, but i wouldn't say they collapse.

Problem is, if the Conservatives gain the most seats they gain a kind of legitimacy to be in government. If they are denied that by some parties banding together to prevent it, it may swing things in their favor and result in another election returning a greater number of seats to them at the expense of those seen to be doing a backroom deal.

It's part of the reason why the Lib dems went with them, rather than Labour, and if the SNP are seen to do it the backlash could be greater.

[Vasileus]

I'm watching clips from the leader's debate, and my god what a fucking little weezle Nick clegg is. Straight up saying he'll stab his current coalition partners in the back if it means the lib-dems will stay in power.

how can anyone vote for someone like that?

it depends massively on what he said and how he said it

"w-w-we will only coalition with the party with the most seats" is probably passable

"We will add a heart to a Conservative Government and a brain to a Labour one."

Buddy's hedging his bets before he gets to the racetrack

[Miletos]

The Liberal Democrats have no obligation to be loyal to the Conservatives.

But really, he's basically saying he'll do whatever it takes to stay in government. He shows no loyalty nor any caring for ideology in some quest to stay out of the unemployment insurance lines, or whatever.

The irony is that, in Clegg's desperation to maintain relevance, he might end up in a situation where his party gets some kind of role in the next government but he himself is thrown out of Sheffield Hallam.

[Arglorand]

Not gonna lie, though, Labour has put me off. They were all too eager to jump into bed with the UMP during the referendum on Brittany's future.

I'm considering a vote for that Jeanne d'Arc, but I'm not sure she will appreciate my culturally Breton concerns within an independent France. If Mebyon Kernow put up candidates here, though, that would be great; that Dick Cole is sure one badass fellow.

I get where you're coming from, but in reality Paris is no closer to Kemper than Westminster is, and I can't see the Duchy doing well if it opts to side with Philip Augustus, much as John's premiership has had its problems. A vote for Henry II's brood is a vote for long-term stability, however chaotic the short term might seem, and besides - we need the English to invest in our brethren in Cornwall to develop the nascent mining sector and lift the people out of long-term smuggling.

That's a fair point you raise there, but mate, let's be honest, both the frogs and the poms just want Breizh's golden beaches and the houses of the saints. We have, however, an alternate choice, far to the distant north; we must swear our allegiance, as our brothers in Ireland have, to one of the House of Bruce, to provide us with an ally, a Celtic ally who can challenge the English yoke. And the French? Paris will not dare touch us, for they need the Scots as a coalition partner to win an overall military majority.

[Conscentia]

The Liberal Democrats have no obligation to be loyal to the Conservatives.

But really, he's basically saying he'll do whatever it takes to stay in government. He shows no loyalty nor any caring for ideology in some quest to stay out of the unemployment insurance lines, or whatever.

He doesn't have to be loyal to the Conservatives, they aren't his party and he doesn't share their ideology. He has to be loyal to the Liberal Democrats, which he is doing by saying that he'll do what's necessary to ensure they continue to have a direct presence in the government.

[Marcurix]

I'm watching clips from the leader's debate, and my god what a fucking little weezle Nick clegg is. Straight up saying he'll stab his current coalition partners in the back if it means the lib-dems will stay in power.

how can anyone vote for someone like that?

Same way they vote for any other party.

I'm not particularly sure why you think the other party leaders don't do this. They would, and do, in a second.

[Alyakia]

Well statistics are showing that even with the lead that they'll have, they'll won't be able to form a government even with Lib Dem, UKIP, and even DUP backing. They'd need SNP support, which won't happen.

I can see the Tories collapsing here, even if they "win". Cameron certainly won't be leader for much longer.

That depends on a number of things, but i wouldn't say they collapse.

Problem is, if the Conservatives gain the most seats they gain a kind of legitimacy to be in government. If they are denied that by some parties banding together to prevent it, it may swing things in their favor and result in another election returning a greater number of seats to them at the expense of those seen to be doing a backroom deal.

It's part of the reason why the Lib dems went with them, rather than Labour, and if the SNP are seen to do it the backlash could be greater.

i think the idea that a party can get 36% of the votes and 45% of the seats people will say they have the legitimacy to be in government kinda bs

[Dejanic]

Well statistics are showing that even with the lead that they'll have, they'll won't be able to form a government even with Lib Dem, UKIP, and even DUP backing. They'd need SNP support, which won't happen.

I can see the Tories collapsing here, even if they "win". Cameron certainly won't be leader for much longer.

That depends on a number of things, but i wouldn't say they collapse.

Problem is, if the Conservatives gain the most seats they gain a kind of legitimacy to be in government. If they are denied that by some parties banding together to prevent it, it may swing things in their favor and result in another election returning a greater number of seats to them at the expense of those seen to be doing a backroom deal.

It's part of the reason why the Lib dems went with them, rather than Labour, and if the SNP are seen to do it the backlash could be greater.

Well, the SNP won't lose anything in Scotland for keeping the Tories out of government. They'll probably gain more popularity, and will be looking at Workers party of Korea levels of seat gains in whatever election comes next.

The Tory party is ruthless when it comes to their leaders, they always have been and always will be, if Cameron fails to form a government, they'll be out for his blood, mark my words.

[Conscentia]

it depends massively on what he said and how he said it
"w-w-we will only coalition with the party with the most seats" is probably passable

"We will add a heart to a Conservative Government and a brain to a Labour one."

Buddy's hedging his bets before he gets to the racetrack

Applying a Wizard of Oz metaphor and extending it, that quote would imply that the Lib Dems don't have courage.

[Marcurix]

That depends on a number of things, but i wouldn't say they collapse.

Problem is, if the Conservatives gain the most seats they gain a kind of legitimacy to be in government. If they are denied that by some parties banding together to prevent it, it may swing things in their favor and result in another election returning a greater number of seats to them at the expense of those seen to be doing a backroom deal.

It's part of the reason why the Lib dems went with them, rather than Labour, and if the SNP are seen to do it the backlash could be greater.

i think the idea that a party can get 36% of the votes and 45% of the seats people will say they have the legitimacy to be in government kinda bs

It's what happens because of the system we are in. It has happened.

If you try to screw over the party that got the most seats, it won't go well.

[Geilinor]

That depends on a number of things, but i wouldn't say they collapse.

Problem is, if the Conservatives gain the most seats they gain a kind of legitimacy to be in government. If they are denied that by some parties banding together to prevent it, it may swing things in their favor and result in another election returning a greater number of seats to them at the expense of those seen to be doing a backroom deal.

It's part of the reason why the Lib dems went with them, rather than Labour, and if the SNP are seen to do it the backlash could be greater.

i think the idea that a party can get 36% of the votes and 45% of the seats people will say they have the legitimacy to be in government kinda bs

What? Minority governments and coalitions do exist.

[Alyakia]

i think the idea that a party can get 36% of the votes and 45% of the seats people will say they have the legitimacy to be in government kinda bs

It what happens because of the system we are in. It has happened.

If you try to screw over the party that got the most seats, it won't go well.

actually it sorta reminds me of gordon brown and the "he wasn't elected" fiasco

sure it makes people angry but that doesn't change the fact that that's not how the country actually works

[Geilinor]

Same way they vote for any other party.

I'm not particularly sure why you think the other party leaders don't do this. They would, and do, in a second.

The SNP being an exception

The SNP has no current coalition partners and they'll go with anyone who gives Scotland more powers.

[Arglorand]

That depends on a number of things, but i wouldn't say they collapse.

Problem is, if the Conservatives gain the most seats they gain a kind of legitimacy to be in government. If they are denied that by some parties banding together to prevent it, it may swing things in their favor and result in another election returning a greater number of seats to them at the expense of those seen to be doing a backroom deal.

It's part of the reason why the Lib dems went with them, rather than Labour, and if the SNP are seen to do it the backlash could be greater.

i think the idea that a party can get 36% of the votes and 45% of the seats people will say they have the legitimacy to be in government kinda bs

shush alyakia

only the SNP has no democratic right to be considered a legitimate political force, even if they get the support of 70%+ of the scottish electorate

the tories have an inborn right to rule

... *nods*

[Marcurix]

Same way they vote for any other party.

I'm not particularly sure why you think the other party leaders don't do this. They would, and do, in a second.

The SNP being an exception

Lol no.

They've been bashing Labour day one of the election.

This is politics, and the SNP can play the popular brand like a well tuned harp, but you're kidding yourself if you think the SNP are different in the tactics they use.

[Arglorand]

The SNP being an exception

The SNP has no current coalition partners and they'll go with anyone who gives Scotland more powers.

The SNP won't go into coalition period. They don't like being in coalitions and I can understand from a tactical standpoint why.