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Who would you vote for?

Labour
342
20%
Conservatives
346
20%
Ukip
394
23%
Greens
246
14%
Liberal Democrats
149
9%
SNP
77
5%
Plaid Cymru
32
2%
Respect
35
2%
Other (please state)
79
5%
 
Total votes : 1700

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Postby Espresso and Insanity » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:07 am

Murkwood wrote:UKIP is too wacko and the Conservatives aren't right enough, so I'd probably vote for the Christian Party.


The Christian Party is about as "far right" or "wacko" as the UKIP. The differences between the two parties are marginal, it's just that the Christian Party has a stronger emphasis on social conservatism, while the UKIP focuses more on immigration and general populism.
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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:28 am

Murkwood wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Thinks UKIP is too wacko.........Votes for the Christian Party.



:lol2:

Really tells you something about UKIP.


No it tells me something about you when you think a party what would make it illegal for minors to have contraception is less Wacko than UKIP.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:29 am

Calimera II wrote:If I were a brit, my vote would go to the Conservatives or to the UKIP.


You have something in common with Jeremy Clarkson then.
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Britanno
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Postby Britanno » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:42 am

Alyakia wrote:if reagan is going to raise taxes why does he say he's not???

That would work if I supported Reagan.
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Alyakia wrote:our nations greatest achievement is slowly but surely being destroyed
America is doing fine atm

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Postby Britanno » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:45 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:No it tells me something about you when you think a party what would make it illegal for minors to have contraception is less Wacko than UKIP.

UKIP's leaders are wacko, they just won't admit it because they don't want to alienate any voter group right now.
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British Home Counties wrote:
Alyakia wrote:our nations greatest achievement is slowly but surely being destroyed
America is doing fine atm

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Postby Westerheim » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:46 am

I'm red through and through - Miliband may not be the most inspiring or charismatic of leaders but he means well, and he's at least gone some way to de-Blair the party. I'm very supportive of Labour's plans for state competitors in the railways, and for an elected senate to replace the Lords.

In terms of outcome, I struggle to see past another coalition, but this time Lab-Lib, and I hope Miliband has the guts to say Clegg has to resign as LD leader if a government is to be formed. Perhaps then the social democrats within the party will take control of the leadership - Alastair Carmichael, Tim Farron etc. Who knows, maybe even the Greens or the SNP will get a shout.
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Postby Britanno » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:50 am

Quintium wrote:The Conservatives have tried and failed, and are now increasingly desperate. It's always a bad idea to vote for people who are desperate.

- Fixed the economy.
- Made wage rises that people will feel possible.
- Cut unemployment by a shit load.

Total failure.
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British Home Counties wrote:
Alyakia wrote:our nations greatest achievement is slowly but surely being destroyed
America is doing fine atm

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Postby Britanno » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:52 am

Westerheim wrote:I'm red through and through - Miliband may not be the most inspiring or charismatic of leaders but he means well, and he's at least gone some way to de-Blair the party. I'm very supportive of Labour's plans for state competitors in the railways, and for an elected senate to replace the Lords.

In terms of outcome, I struggle to see past another coalition, but this time Lab-Lib, and I hope Miliband has the guts to say Clegg has to resign as LD leader if a government is to be formed. Perhaps then the social democrats within the party will take control of the leadership - Alastair Carmichael, Tim Farron etc. Who knows, maybe even the Greens or the SNP will get a shout.

I don't see the SNP joining a Labour government unless an absolutely huge devolution package and legislation on the possibility for future referendums are announced. The nationalists would be signing their own death warrant if they settled for anything less.
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British Home Counties wrote:
Alyakia wrote:our nations greatest achievement is slowly but surely being destroyed
America is doing fine atm

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Postby Westerheim » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:54 am

Britanno wrote:
Westerheim wrote:I'm red through and through - Miliband may not be the most inspiring or charismatic of leaders but he means well, and he's at least gone some way to de-Blair the party. I'm very supportive of Labour's plans for state competitors in the railways, and for an elected senate to replace the Lords.

In terms of outcome, I struggle to see past another coalition, but this time Lab-Lib, and I hope Miliband has the guts to say Clegg has to resign as LD leader if a government is to be formed. Perhaps then the social democrats within the party will take control of the leadership - Alastair Carmichael, Tim Farron etc. Who knows, maybe even the Greens or the SNP will get a shout.

I don't see the SNP joining a Labour government unless an absolutely huge devolution package and legislation on the possibility for future referendums are announced. The nationalists would be signing their own death warrant if they settled for anything less.


You're probably right on that one, it's just hypothetical, if a bit tenuous. Besides, I'm not sure anyone would be too pleased if the national government relied on votes from a party with seats in only constituent country.
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Political influences: Clement Attlee, Olof Palme, Anthony Crosland, Nye Bevan, J.M. Keynes (predictably), William Beveridge, Thomas Hill Green
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The UK in Exile
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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:08 am

Britanno wrote:
Quintium wrote:The Conservatives have tried and failed, and are now increasingly desperate. It's always a bad idea to vote for people who are desperate.

- Fixed the economy.
- Made wage rises that people will feel possible.
- Cut unemployment by a shit load.

Total failure.

Your article doesn't say anything about the conservatives fixing the economy, it says Germany's economy is weakened.

Predicted wage growth is actual wage growth?

Wanna run that unemployment trend back further and see what it looks like?
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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:31 am

Westerheim wrote:I'm red through and through - Miliband may not be the most inspiring or charismatic of leaders but he means well, and he's at least gone some way to de-Blair the party. I'm very supportive of Labour's plans for state competitors in the railways, and for an elected senate to replace the Lords.

In terms of outcome, I struggle to see past another coalition, but this time Lab-Lib, and I hope Miliband has the guts to say Clegg has to resign as LD leader if a government is to be formed. Perhaps then the social democrats within the party will take control of the leadership - Alastair Carmichael, Tim Farron etc. Who knows, maybe even the Greens or the SNP will get a shout.


Because the state writing the rules, the state bidding and the state deciding who the winning bid is can't go wrong. Nor can making the upper house more politically partisan and less about objectivity giving more power to the three stooges.
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Grand Britaria
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Postby Grand Britaria » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:41 am

I support the Greens and voted for them in the 2014 European elections, but the seat I'm registered to vote in at university is only just a narrow Labour seat. So I'll probably be voting Labour to prevent those dastardly Eurosceptics getting it. Any other time I'd most likely vote Green.
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:04 am

Murkwood wrote:UKIP is too wacko and the Conservatives aren't right enough, so I'd probably vote for the Christian Party.


Kidding me right? The so called "best capitalist" of Nationstates supports Populists parties, how jolly.

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Britanno
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Postby Britanno » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:11 am

The UK in Exile wrote:Your article doesn't say anything about the conservatives fixing the economy, it says Germany's economy is weakened.

Sorry, wrong link. Here's the one I meant to post.

Predicted wage growth is actual wage growth?

No, but I'd say Mark Carney pretty trustworthy. Got anything to suggest we won't be seeing wage rises any time soon?

Wanna run that unemployment trend back further and see what it looks like?

Sure.
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Alyakia wrote:our nations greatest achievement is slowly but surely being destroyed
America is doing fine atm

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Postby Murkwood » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:23 am

Calimera II wrote:
Murkwood wrote:UKIP is too wacko and the Conservatives aren't right enough, so I'd probably vote for the Christian Party.


Kidding me right? The so called "best capitalist" of Nationstates supports Populists parties, how jolly.

They are the best option. Conservatives have no spine.
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Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:34 am

Britanno wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:Your article doesn't say anything about the conservatives fixing the economy, it says Germany's economy is weakened.

Sorry, wrong link. Here's the one I meant to post.

Predicted wage growth is actual wage growth?

No, but I'd say Mark Carney pretty trustworthy. Got anything to suggest we won't be seeing wage rises any time soon?

Wanna run that unemployment trend back further and see what it looks like?

Sure.

:eyebrow: you meant to link the budget forecast from 2010?
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"Wählte Ungnade, wo Gehorsam nicht Ehre brachte."
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:36 am

Grand Britaria wrote:I support the Greens and voted for them in the 2014 European elections, but the seat I'm registered to vote in at university is only just a narrow Labour seat. So I'll probably be voting Labour to prevent those dastardly Eurosceptics getting it. Any other time I'd most likely vote Green.


You registered to vote at Uni? I never saw the point myself and just vote at my home constituency.
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Postby Britanno » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:57 am

The UK in Exile wrote: :eyebrow: you meant to link the budget forecast from 2010?

Oh shit, completely read the graph wrong. My bad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10613201

So we've gone from the economy shrinking to the economy growing at a steady pace that wil result in us being Europe's largest economy by 2030.
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Alyakia wrote:our nations greatest achievement is slowly but surely being destroyed
America is doing fine atm

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Postby Nadkor » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:02 pm

Britanno wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote: :eyebrow: you meant to link the budget forecast from 2010?

Oh shit, completely read the graph wrong. My bad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10613201

So we've gone from the economy shrinking to the economy growing at a steady pace that wil result in us being Europe's largest economy by 2030.


Yeah, just as nothing that might have somewhat upset the economy has happened in the last 16 years, we can can all be confident that no such event will occur in the next 16.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:10 pm

Britanno wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote: :eyebrow: you meant to link the budget forecast from 2010?

Oh shit, completely read the graph wrong. My bad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10613201

So we've gone from the economy shrinking to the economy growing at a steady pace that wil result in us being Europe's largest economy by 2030.


And we did it back in 2009 Q3. under a Labour Government.
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"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

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Postby Calimera II » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:21 pm

Britanno wrote:
Quintium wrote:The Conservatives have tried and failed, and are now increasingly desperate. It's always a bad idea to vote for people who are desperate.

- Fixed the economy.


There are improvements, but Britain definitely isn't back on track.
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:24 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:

Your article doesn't say anything about the conservatives fixing the economy, it says Germany's economy is weakened.


No, it's because of this (well, it doesn't make things better though):
''Indeed, Germany is forecast to lose its position as the largest western European economy to the UK around 2030 because of the UK's faster population growth.''

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Postby Britanno » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:27 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:And we did it back in 2009 Q3. under a Labour Government.

It would be quite appalling if the economy didn't grow at that point. What I'm saying is that now we have steady and good economic growth, compared to the tiny but of growth achieved by Brown
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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:51 pm

Britanno wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:And we did it back in 2009 Q3. under a Labour Government.

It would be quite appalling if the economy didn't grow at that point. What I'm saying is that now we have steady and good economic growth, compared to the tiny but of growth achieved by Brown


and all I'm saying is that what your saying is in-accurate. And you've already posted the evidence that shows it. the best 4 post recession quarterlies for Darling = 2.5% growth. the best for osborne is 3.1%. so there isn't a lot to seperate the two.

but year on year. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG

2010 - 1.7 (The Last Darling year, Election May. First conservative budget June - between January and June UK economy grows 1.5%)
2011 - 1.1 (predicted - 2.1 )
2012 - 0.3 (predicted - 2.6 )
2013 - 1.7 (predicted - 2.8 )
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"My actions are as noble as my thoughts, That never relish’d of a base descent.I came unto your court for honour’s cause, And not to be a rebel to her state; And he that otherwise accounts of me, This sword shall prove he’s honour’s enemy."

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Postby Espresso and Insanity » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:52 pm

Britanno wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:And we did it back in 2009 Q3. under a Labour Government.

It would be quite appalling if the economy didn't grow at that point. What I'm saying is that now we have steady and good economic growth, compared to the tiny but of growth achieved by Brown


In all fairness, growth was marginal under Brown because he was in office when the recession was in full swing. I can't imagine that any PM would've able to preside over considerable economic growth from about 2009-2011.
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