British 2015 general election poll

[Alyakia]

how anyone could bring themselves to vote conservatives baffle me
you're basically pushing the UK into non-existence as soon as you tick the tory box

No, that's SNP. The last I recall, they were the ones pushing to leave and make the UK of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

the joke is that the conservatives are so bad they nearly destroyed the UK several times. except it's not a joke.

[Geilinor]

No, that's SNP. The last I recall, they were the ones pushing to leave and make the UK of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

the joke is that the conservatives are so bad they nearly destroyed the UK several times. except it's not a joke.

The SNP nearly did once.

[British Home Counties]

How anyone could bring them selves to vote other than Conservative baffles me.
You'd be pushing the UK into default as soon as you tick the labour box.

how anyone could bring themselves to vote conservatives baffle me
you're basically pushing the UK into non-existence as soon as you tick the tory box

that wasn't a good argument

How anyone could bring them selves to vote other than Conservative baffles me.
You'd be pushing the UK into default as soon as you tick the labour box.

would you be shocked i said there were parties other than labour and tories

such as?

[Alyakia]

how anyone could bring themselves to vote conservatives baffle me
you're basically pushing the UK into non-existence as soon as you tick the tory box

that wasn't a good argument

would you be shocked i said there were parties other than labour and tories

such as?

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[Geilinor]

How anyone could bring them selves to vote other than Conservative baffles me.
You'd be pushing the UK into default as soon as you tick the labour box.

would you be shocked i said there were parties other than labour and tories

The only other party I could consider is the LibDems.

[Atlanticatia]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32084722 - Conservative benefit cut options leaked

[Geilinor]

http://www.bbc.com/news/32094681 - Tories pledge seven-day NHS
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-31973051 - How close to the center are you? Oddly enough, I got center-right.

[Arglorand]

how anyone could bring themselves to vote conservatives baffle me
you're basically pushing the UK into non-existence as soon as you tick the tory box

No, that's SNP. The last I recall, they were the ones pushing so hard to leave.

your failure to understand the reasons illustrates the problem

and there's a distinction to be made between a party whose very platform demands the dissolution of the UK, which is understandable because that's what their ideological base is built on and what most of their voters will be voting for, and a party which fiercely believes in the UK and whose voters fiercely believe in the UK yet keeps jeopardising the union.

I can't say I entirely mind the prospect if it were done. I do mind the idea of the conservatives ruining people's lives in the process, however.

[Lunas Legion]

http://www.bbc.com/news/32094681 - Tories pledge seven-day NHS
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-31973051 - How close to the center are you? Oddly enough, I got center-right.

Dead center for me.

[Glasgia]

Quickly put the NS poll into Electoral Calculus again, after seeing they included another couple of columns for Greens/SNP. Adjusted for a "Scotland Bias" ((NS Support*(Scottish Support/UK Support))*(100/Total NS Scot Support)) to work out NS votes in Scotland, then plugged our numbers in.... It's not good

So, the NS-UK General Election 28th March 2015:
LAB: 212 (21%)
UKIP: 188 (24%)
CON: 137 (19%)
SNP: 43 (4%)
LIB: 39 (9%)
GRN: 9 (15%)
PldC: 3
Oth: 1
(N.IR: 18)

That'd make a UKIP-CON coalition just one short of a majority... So, UKIP-CON-DUP? Doesn't sound too bright for NS-UK.

[The Nihilistic view]

Prime Minister Fararge.

[Great Nepal]

Channel 4 might not have been that off when it comes to first 100 days of UKIP after all...

[New Stephania]

Channel 4 might not have been that off when it comes to first 100 days of UKIP after all...

This is one of the few instances I agree with Farage, I can't see any reason not to make St. George's Day and St. David's Day bank holidays.

[Great Nepal]

Channel 4 might not have been that off when it comes to first 100 days of UKIP after all...

This is one of the few instances I agree with Farage, I can't see any reason not to make St. George's Day and St. David's Day bank holidays.

I enjoy double pay as much as the next guy but I dont imagine it will be that good for buisnesses to have another bank holiday in April.

[New Stephania]

This is one of the few instances I agree with Farage, I can't see any reason not to make St. George's Day and St. David's Day bank holidays.

I enjoy double pay as much as the next guy but I dont imagine it will be that good for buisnesses to have another bank holiday in April.

I'd have to look at some figures before I could make an informed comment on that, but I can't see taking one more day out of the year being so bad.

[The Nihilistic view]

This is one of the few instances I agree with Farage, I can't see any reason not to make St. George's Day and St. David's Day bank holidays.

I enjoy double pay as much as the next guy but I dont imagine it will be that good for buisnesses to have another bank holiday in April.

Depends on the business. Would be great for retail and service industries. Be great for my dads business probably worth and extra £10K revenue if it happened.

[British Home Counties]

Channel 4 might not have been that off when it comes to first 100 days of UKIP after all...

This is one of the few instances I agree with Farage, I can't see any reason not to make St. George's Day and St. David's Day bank holidays.

Because that's a waste of 9 billion pounds in output.

[New Stephania]

This is one of the few instances I agree with Farage, I can't see any reason not to make St. George's Day and St. David's Day bank holidays.

Because that's a waste of 9 billion pounds in output.

Is GDP the be-all and end-all? That seems like a good argument to simply end St. Patrick's Day and St. Andrew's Day as bank holidays, but I doubt the Scots and Northern Irish would be amused. Not to mention all the other bank holidays we enjoy.

[British Home Counties]

Because that's a waste of 9 billion pounds in output.

Is GDP the be-all and end-all?

Well personally yeah.

That seems like a good argument to simply end St. Patrick's Day and St. Andrew's Day as bank holidays, but I doubt the Scots and Northern Irish would be amused.

If England and Wales can survive without their own day, NI and Scotland will unlikely go down to the level of a riot over a pub / netflix day.

Not to mention all the other bank holidays we enjoy.

Yeah but they are for everyone. It hardly makes United Kingdom united when X doesn't celebrate Y but M celebrates N and wanted to quit the UK last year. The UK is essentially a small-scale EU, devolution is very large. Does it not make more sense that a holiday is for everyone rather than a select group of people?

And even then, bank holidays are still a waste of output, and haven't had a real meaning other than a lie-in for a century (or I just live in an ultra-apathetic city)

[The Nihilistic view]

Nobody really knows how much they cost and some think they even give a boost. Ergo whether we have a bank holiday really should not be decided based on GDP when there is no solid evidence and certainly no consensus as to what their actual long term effects are.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18277486

[New Stephania]

Is GDP the be-all and end-all?

Well personally yeah.

There's not much for me to say in response other than that I disagree.

That seems like a good argument to simply end St. Patrick's Day and St. Andrew's Day as bank holidays, but I doubt the Scots and Northern Irish would be amused.

If England and Wales can survive without their own day, NI and Scotland will unlikely go down to the level of a riot over a pub / netflix day.

Maybe not, but they might cheekily decide to "forcibly devolve" the issue and have them anyway, and become more bitter toward the English and Westminster.

Not to mention all the other bank holidays we enjoy.

Yeah but they are for everyone. It hardly makes United Kingdom united when X doesn't celebrate Y but M celebrates N and wanted to quit the UK last year. The UK is essentially a small-scale EU, devolution is very large. Does it not make more sense that a holiday is for everyone rather than a select group of people?

And even then, bank holidays are still a waste of output, and haven't had a real meaning other than a lie-in for a century (or I just live in an ultra-apathetic city)

I think part of what makes the United Kingdom precisely that is recognising the our parts as much as the sum, that we are different nations in a partnership. I'm more than happy for Scots to have St. Andrews' Day and for Irish people to have St. Patrick's Day for that reason, I have even been known to join in on the festivities down the years with Scottish and Irish friends.

I think your point about bank holidays being "lie-in days" is valid but I think the reason people want a St. George's Day bank holiday, apart from simple equality, is so that it doesn't just pass by without anybody noticing. As it is views toward "Englishness" seem to range from apathy to outright hostility, I personally like being English and I'd love to see a little more camaraderie amongst English people, and I think people who want St. George's Day to be a bank holiday hope that will contribute in some way.

[British Home Counties]

and I'd love to see a little more camaraderie amongst English people,

I must say, Britain is probably the second most apathetic country after Germany with no sense of patriotism at all. The only thing that tends to "unite" people on the streets is anything to do with the royalty, and even then I doubt more than half the country celebrate it.

Totally different from Bastille Day in France, Constitution Day in Poland or 4th July in US.

[New Stephania]

and I'd love to see a little more camaraderie amongst English people,

I must say, Britain is probably the second most apathetic country after Germany with no sense of patriotism at all. The only thing that tends to "unite" people on the streets is anything to do with the royalty, and even then I doubt more than half the country celebrate it.

Totally different from Bastille Day in France, Constitution Day in Poland or 4th July in US.

I could not agree more.

[The Nihilistic view]

That style patriotism is so terribly un-British. There is more to patriotism than waving a flag around and thinking anybody that disrespects it should be shot.

[Pesda]

I think it's silly that we in Wales got a day off when some English royalty were getting married but aren't allowed a day off on our own national day.