9/11

[Panzerjaeger]

Hey you americans started it during your little pissing wars with the russians.

started what? and pissing wars? You mean the threat of being wiped off the map by nukes? At least we could keep up though

He means the funding of the Mujaheddin and making Osama bin Laden a CIA Contact in Afghanistan because we wanted to overthrow the Socialist Government there just to give the Russkies a blackeye.

[Verzia]

Exactly where is the plane thats the whole point of the arguement. No plane where they said there was a plane crash. So maybe it was a frikin missle but not a plane. There was no plane in that crash sight there is no arguing that am I correct. There was a trench there clear back in 1994 all they added was the crator.

Because a hunk of aluminum flying at 500 mile an hour would've just bounced off that top soil and shattered all over the place, amirite? Maybe the plane bits are underground?

what about the possibility it came apart while it fell?

[JarVik]

I can't remember the show but awhile back I saw a TV show that did a sort of mythbuster on some of the truther stuff. One of which was light a pit of aviation fuel on fire. Laying accross this pit was a steel girder. It didn't melt the girder but it did sag and bend under its own weight so its not like it was going to be much good at holding a building up.

[Verzia]

Hey you americans started it during your little pissing wars with the russians.

started what? and pissing wars? You mean the threat of being wiped off the map by nukes? At least we could keep up though

He means the funding of the Mujaheddin and making Osama bin Laden a CIA Contact in Afghanistan because we wanted to overthrow the Socialist Government there just to give the Russkies a blackeye.

ah, I see, thanks.

[Soratsin]

Answer this was there a plane at that crash sight.

Fuck if I know, I wasn't there. But arguing that a plane was not there because it can't be seen is as stupid as thinking your mother blips out of existence when she hides her face behind her hands, only to reappear a second later shouting PEEKABOO!

[Panzerjaeger]

Exactly where is the plane thats the whole point of the arguement. No plane where they said there was a plane crash. So maybe it was a frikin missle but not a plane. There was no plane in that crash sight there is no arguing that am I correct. There was a trench there clear back in 1994 all they added was the crator.

Because a hunk of aluminum flying at 500 mile an hour would've just bounced off that top soil and shattered all over the place, amirite? Maybe the plane bits are underground?

what about the possibility it came apart while it fell?

It is possible depeneding on how steep the dive was. Regardless plane wreckage was gathered you can find that via a simple google search hell they were finding body parts. Regardless if it wasn't a plane which is impossible then how do you explain all those people on that flight dying and never returning? CIA Vacation homes? Give me a fucking break.

[Caninope]

Exactly where is the plane thats the whole point of the arguement. No plane where they said there was a plane crash. So maybe it was a frikin missle but not a plane. There was no plane in that crash sight there is no arguing that am I correct. There was a trench there clear back in 1994 all they added was the crator.

What about the plane parts found and the phone calls made from the plane?

[SF Penguins]

Then where are all the pieces, wheres the luggage the bodies everything what happened to it all did it just disappear. See you can disclaim everything else but you cannot say that flight 93 does not have a lot of unanswered questions about it. explain the ditch that was there in 1994. Explain that and you know what I'll believe that it was a plain and not something else.

[Panzerjaeger]

Then where are all the pieces, wheres the luggage the bodies everything what happened to it all did it just disappear. See you can disclaim everything else but you cannot say that flight 93 does not have a lot of unanswered questions about it. explain the ditch that was there in 1994. Explain that and you know what I'll believe that it was a plain and not something else.

You do realize what happens to a human body at 500 MPH right? You can barely find a human hit by a car at 90 MPH so you do the math smartone.

[Verzia]

I can't remmeber the show but awhile back I saw a TV show that did a sort of mythbuster on some of the truther stuff. One of which was light a pit of aviation fuel on fire. Laying accross this pit was a steel girder. It didn't melt the girder but it did sag and bend under its own weight so its not like it was going to be much good at holding a building up.

yep, and all the office supplies on the floors, but I think this guy is trying to dispute the Pennsylvania crash. And again I ask, than what happened to the plane if it wasn't there? no one can answer that, its more likely it did crash. And if it was the gov. than why did they catch more terrorists in Cali? If it was the gov. they would have done it there too.

Oh, sorry guys, got to log off, good night/morning/day (its night here) all!

[SF Penguins]

See you have no answer for that fact that there isn't a plane in that crash sight. You can't see it because it wasn't there.

[Maxaxle]

All I'm going to say about this is that I heard that people were told to stay calm, to stay seated in the twin towers a few minutes before the planes hit. I can only imagine why.

[Caninope]

Then where are all the pieces, wheres the luggage the bodies everything what happened to it all did it just disappear. See you can disclaim everything else but you cannot say that flight 93 does not have a lot of unanswered questions about it. explain the ditch that was there in 1994. Explain that and you know what I'll believe that it was a plain and not something else.

OK I'll prove it. Get me a bag of luggage, I'll throw a few barrels of kerosene on you and your luggage and then you'll have proof. They burned!

United 93.

[Panzerjaeger]

See you have no answer for that fact that there isn't a plane in that crash sight. You can't see it because it wasn't there.

There was a plane they found the wreckage. I've seen the pieces and I don't really care to carry on a conversation with a mental invalid.

[Metz-Lorraine]

There WOULD NOT BE A PLANE THERE BEACAUSE HTE PLANE WAS GOING HUNDREDS OF MILES PER HOUR FASTER THAN A NORMAL PLANE CRASHING WOULD.

Normal plane crashes are much SLOWER because the pilots dont wanna DIE and usually try to slow down and pull up ( which is where you get long skids) this plane was going along faster than normal in air, then flipped over ito a sharp decline. The speed gained from that essentially disintegrated the plane and yes there were pieces of teh plane EVERYWHERE! the plane went so fast pieces that survived were thrown miles into the distance!

Steel doesn't burn idiot. IT MELTS! How the fuck do ya think its smelted together in the first place. THe steel in that structure not only TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A HIGH SPEED PLANE! wihc probably shoulda knocked down ANY building. Because just about nothing can survive a giant guided missile hitting it AND the burning fuel quickly started melting the steel. Not totally melting it, but the structural integrity of the building was comprimised enough WHEN THE WHOLE DAMN PLANE rammed into it. so weakened steel holding up thousands of tons of more steel eventully gave out in places, putting more stress on remaining supports. dominoe effect, they started collapsing immediatly after the first few were broke.

[Soratsin]

See you have no answer for that fact that there isn't a plane in that crash sight. You can't see it because it wasn't there.

Reading comprehension, you lack it. I said that I wasn't there, and therefore I cannot know with 100% certainty that flight 93 was in that crater, but given the plane parts recovered from the site, and the fact that some of the passengers haven't turned up in Albania, I would say that it was in that crater.

Would you also maintain that I do not exist, because you can't see me?

[Panzerjaeger]

There WOULD NOT BE A PLANE THERE BEACAUSE HTE PLANE WAS GOING HUNDREDS OF MILES PER HOUR FASTER THAN A NORMAL PLANE CRASHING WOULD.

Normal plane crashes are much SLOWER because the pilots dont wanna DIE and usually try to slow down and pull up ( which is where you get long skids) this plane was going along faster than normal in air, then flipped over ito a sharp decline. The speed gained from that essentially disintegrated the plane and yes there were pieces of teh plane EVERYWHERE! the plane went so fast pieces that survived were thrown miles into the distance!

Steel doesn't burn idiot. IT MELTS! How the fuck do ya think its smelted together in the first place. THe steel in that structure not only TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A HIGH SPEED PLANE! wihc probably shoulda knocked down ANY building. Because just about nothing can survive a giant guided missile hitting it AND the burning fuel quickly started melting the steel. Not totally melting it, but the structural integrity of the building was comprimised enough WHEN THE WHOLE DAMN PLANE rammed into it. so weakened steel holding up thousands of tons of more steel eventully gave out in places, putting more stress on remaining supports. dominoe effect, they started collapsing immediatly after the first few were broke.

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[Barringtonia]

Even ordinary citizens are having their lives affected by nutcase conspiracy theorists..

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06218/711239-85.stm

But Mrs. McClatchey's fame has recently taken a sour turn. The real estate agent has recently become a target of bloggers calling themselves "9-11 researchers," who are seeking to prove that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks that brought down the Twin Towers, pierced the Pentagon and crashed United Airlines Flight 93. "The End of Serenity" has turned out to be their smoking gun.

The smoke plume doesn't line up right, they say. It is too large in the frame. The smoke is characteristic of an ordnance blast, not a jet fuel fire, further evidence that the government shot down Flight 93. They analyze wind direction, debris patterns and camera trajectories, all in the service of the theory that the crash was faked.

They have visited Mrs. McClatchey's office and called her at home, posting satellite maps of her property and accusing her of digitally altering her photo to insert a fake smoke plume. The bloggers have picked apart her story, highlighting inconsistencies in different news accounts and questioning her motives. Others have described her as "surly," "hostile," "irate" and "defensive." People have called her at home, accusing her of being anti-American and of "holding the photo hostage."

Special agent Jeff Killeen, of the FBI in Pittsburgh, confirmed that the photo of the barns and the smoke plume was "a very legitimate photograph."

"We consider that a photo that was taken moments after Flight 93 crashed to the ground," Mr. Killeen said. "It's a remarkable shot. It's remarkable that someone had the wherewithal to snap a photo of the crash. This is a one-of-a-kind. We really don't know of anything else."

As for the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, Mr. Killeen said, "They can debunk all they want." On Sept. 11, he was at the site shortly after the crash, and knows the amount of debris and other evidence that was gathered from the scene but was never made public. Officials did look into the possibility that Flight 93 was shot down, he said, "but there's no evidence to suggest that whatsoever. None."

[SF Penguins]

You just believe anything that the news and goverment tells you don't you. If they told you that 9/11 was sponsered by the Canadians then you would believe them. You would believe them if they told you that it was sponsored by anybody because your not going to question the goverment because the goverment would never kill its own people because that just don't make any sense. You know what no believed that Hitler would really kill 6 million people for nothing. No would believe that Stalin killed 20 million of his own people but guess what they did. So don't sit there and say oh they could never do that and its just crazy. You know who they use to call crazy. People who believed in God, people who believed the earth was round, and people who thought we could fly. So don't sit here and tell me i'm crazy or say that Alex Jones is a nut cause guess what, I'm not and he's not. So go ahead and believe that the goverment would never hurt you and they want you to be safe and happy.

[HairyHares]

Please go away , please

[New Ziedrich]

Even ordinary citizens are having their lives affected by nutcase conspiracy theorists..

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06218/711239-85.stm

But Mrs. McClatchey's fame has recently taken a sour turn. The real estate agent has recently become a target of bloggers calling themselves "9-11 researchers," who are seeking to prove that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks that brought down the Twin Towers, pierced the Pentagon and crashed United Airlines Flight 93. "The End of Serenity" has turned out to be their smoking gun.

The smoke plume doesn't line up right, they say. It is too large in the frame. The smoke is characteristic of an ordnance blast, not a jet fuel fire, further evidence that the government shot down Flight 93. They analyze wind direction, debris patterns and camera trajectories, all in the service of the theory that the crash was faked.

They have visited Mrs. McClatchey's office and called her at home, posting satellite maps of her property and accusing her of digitally altering her photo to insert a fake smoke plume. The bloggers have picked apart her story, highlighting inconsistencies in different news accounts and questioning her motives. Others have described her as "surly," "hostile," "irate" and "defensive." People have called her at home, accusing her of being anti-American and of "holding the photo hostage."

Special agent Jeff Killeen, of the FBI in Pittsburgh, confirmed that the photo of the barns and the smoke plume was "a very legitimate photograph."

"We consider that a photo that was taken moments after Flight 93 crashed to the ground," Mr. Killeen said. "It's a remarkable shot. It's remarkable that someone had the wherewithal to snap a photo of the crash. This is a one-of-a-kind. We really don't know of anything else."

As for the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, Mr. Killeen said, "They can debunk all they want." On Sept. 11, he was at the site shortly after the crash, and knows the amount of debris and other evidence that was gathered from the scene but was never made public. Officials did look into the possibility that Flight 93 was shot down, he said, "but there's no evidence to suggest that whatsoever. None."

Oh, goddammit, really? Those assholes.

[Soratsin]

Steel doesn't burn idiot. IT MELTS! How the fuck do ya think its smelted together in the first place. THe steel in that structure not only TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A HIGH SPEED PLANE! wihc probably shoulda knocked down ANY building. Because just about nothing can survive a giant guided missile hitting it

"A giant guided missile", interesting choice of words Metz-Lorraine, or should I say, CIA SPECIAL AGENT METZ-LORRAINE!?

[/sarcasm]

[Metz-Lorraine]

You just believe anything that the news and goverment tells you don't you. If they told you that 9/11 was sponsered by the Canadians then you would believe them. You would believe them if they told you that it was sponsored by anybody because your not going to question the goverment because the goverment would never kill its own people because that just don't make any sense. You know what no believed that Hitler would really kill 6 million people for nothing. No would believe that Stalin killed 20 million of his own people but guess what they did. So don't sit there and say oh they could never do that and its just crazy. You know who they use to call crazy. People who believed in God, people who believed the earth was round, and people who thought we could fly. So don't sit here and tell me i'm crazy or say that Alex Jones is a nut cause guess what, I'm not and he's not. So go ahead and believe that the goverment would never hurt you and they want you to be safe and happy.

No sir i dont believe the government told me my information. i believe engineering and science made a pretty good explanation here.

[Soratsin]

You just believe anything that the news and goverment tells you don't you. If they told you that 9/11 was sponsered by the Canadians then you would believe them. You would believe them if they told you that it was sponsored by anybody because your not going to question the goverment because the goverment would never kill its own people because that just don't make any sense. You know what no believed that Hitler would really kill 6 million people for nothing. No would believe that Stalin killed 20 million of his own people but guess what they did. So don't sit there and say oh they could never do that and its just crazy. You know who they use to call crazy. People who believed in God, people who believed the earth was round, and people who thought we could fly. So don't sit here and tell me i'm crazy or say that Alex Jones is a nut cause guess what, I'm not and he's not. So go ahead and believe that the goverment would never hurt you and they want you to be safe and happy.

Yea, believing in this shit doesn't make you feel superior to everyone around you or anything.

[Metz-Lorraine]

Steel doesn't burn idiot. IT MELTS! How the fuck do ya think its smelted together in the first place. THe steel in that structure not only TOOK A DIRECT HIT FROM A HIGH SPEED PLANE! wihc probably shoulda knocked down ANY building. Because just about nothing can survive a giant guided missile hitting it

"A giant guided missile", interesting choice of words Metz-Lorraine, or should I say, CIA SPECIAL AGENT METZ-LORRAINE!?

[/sarcasm]

uh oh. ya got me!