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by Anglo-California » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:08 pm
by Aeternabilis » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:09 pm
Anglo-California wrote:Both are poisonous for both similar and different reasons. However, Islam's harm is much more evident and obvious, while the harm of Christianity is more of a "behind the scenes" kind of thing.
by Aydean » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:15 pm
by Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:15 pm
Coccygia wrote:
Hm. Wasn't that after Muslim militias massacred Christians? Just sayin'.
by MrShlongalonga » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:16 pm
by Pandeeria » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:17 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Conkerials » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:18 pm
Creepoc Infinite wrote:Valerion wrote:All religions are pretty crappy, except for maybe Buddhism, considering the pacifism and all, but still. Religion is a private thing, and should stay that way, if someone believes in a supernatural power of any kind, and they feel like a better person for it, that's good for them, but to have it as an organized entity can only make things worse.
I mostly agree.
But Buddhism is technically not a religion.
Because you are not required to believe in some god to be one. Buddhists can be atheists, and technically, Buddhism is an atheistic religion.
As for religious beliefs, people can believe what they want so long as it does not influence money, politics, society, foreign policy, and social media, or legislation.
by Conkerials » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:19 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Throughout history or just in our modern day?
by Coccygia » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:19 pm
by Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:26 pm
Coccygia wrote:
Oh well that makes it OK then.
by Jute » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:34 pm
The Christianity didn't cause the dark ages, they were actually the light in the dark age.Aydean wrote:Okay I'm a Christian and don't belive either of them harmful actually I think this is a bigoted forum question however if I'm going to say which is more harmful it's definintly the one I follow. I admit I find comfort and beauty in Christianity but just the stuff we did in the past like the dark ages and the crusades. And I dislike it's view towards homosexuality god hates no one he is only dissapointed. We forget that the most important thing in Christianity is to accept and belive in Jesse Christ but we still have a long way to go. But like I said I view no religion to be harmful
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."
by Salandriagado » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:35 pm
by Jute » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:36 pm
Latidonia wrote:The so called dark ages were caused by the fall of the roman empire, and I'd go as far as to say that christian monasteries were the main source of scientific advancement during the middle ages. In addition, I find it bizarre how people still throw around the crusade card, when we all know that Islamic conquest of the world has been far more deadly, or are we all forgetting the Muslim conquest of India? Furthermore, Christian conquest goes completely against the word of the Christian God, while Jihads certainly don't go against Muslim doctrine.
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."
by Devright » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:52 pm
by Gothmogs » Mon Oct 20, 2014 4:57 pm
by Coccygia » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:09 pm
by Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:23 pm
Coccygia wrote:
Oh, good, I'm glad it's nothing to do with the hatred of "unbelievers" including Jews and Christians that is so evident throughout the Quran.
Leviticus wrote:24:11 And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan:)
24:12 And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them.
24:13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
24:15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
25:44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
25:46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
Deuteronomy wrote:13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
2:190 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
2:256 There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
5:8 O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do.
42:42 The way (of blame) is only against those who oppress mankind, and wrongfully rebel in the earth. For such there is a painful doom.43:86 And those unto whom they cry instead of Him possess no power of intercession, saving him who beareth witness unto the Truth knowingly.
43:87 And if thou ask them who created them, they will surely say: Allah. How then are they turned away ?
43:88 And he saith: O my Lord! Lo! these are a folk who believe not.
43:89 Then bear with them (O Muhammad) and say: Peace. But they will come to know.
by Benuty » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:35 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Coccygia wrote:
Oh, good, I'm glad it's nothing to do with the hatred of "unbelievers" including Jews and Christians that is so evident throughout the Quran.Leviticus wrote:24:11 And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the Lord, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan:)
24:12 And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them.
24:13 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
24:15 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
25:44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
25:46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.Deuteronomy wrote:13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:
13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.2:190 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
2:256 There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
5:8 O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do.
42:42 The way (of blame) is only against those who oppress mankind, and wrongfully rebel in the earth. For such there is a painful doom.43:86 And those unto whom they cry instead of Him possess no power of intercession, saving him who beareth witness unto the Truth knowingly.
43:87 And if thou ask them who created them, they will surely say: Allah. How then are they turned away ?
43:88 And he saith: O my Lord! Lo! these are a folk who believe not.
43:89 Then bear with them (O Muhammad) and say: Peace. But they will come to know.
by Greater Weselton » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:35 pm
by Benuty » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:36 pm
Greater Weselton wrote:Islam is more harmful.
by Fanosolia » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:36 pm
Greater Weselton wrote:Islam is more harmful.
by Benuty » Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:37 pm
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