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What will the future of humanity require?

emotions
5
7%
logic
22
31%
both
37
53%
neither
1
1%
other
0
No votes
joke option
5
7%
 
Total votes : 70

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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:01 pm

Ashaven wrote:True, but logic without emotion is something even I want no part in.


So why are you using a computer?
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Risottia » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:02 pm

Ashaven wrote:
Risottia wrote:Emotions better be kept at bay by logics.


True, but logic without emotion is something even I want no part in.


Agreed, yet: though logics without emotions is boring, emotions without logics is going back to being animals.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:04 pm

Risottia wrote:Agreed, yet: though logics without emotions is boring,


Math and computers bore you?

emotions without logics is going back to being animals.


How can we go back to being what we already are?
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Ashaven » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:04 pm

Risottia wrote:
Ashaven wrote:
Risottia wrote:Emotions better be kept at bay by logics.


True, but logic without emotion is something even I want no part in.


Agreed, yet: though logics without emotions is boring, emotions without logics is going back to being animals.


Which is why I find a balance the best option.
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Postby Voltairian Prospects » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:04 pm

Logic is all well and good... but very few people actually possess any logic :lol2:

It is quite apparent in todays youth, and it would appear it is getting worse :?



Don't get me wrong... there ARE exceptions.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:05 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Risottia wrote:Agreed, yet: though logics without emotions is boring,


Math and computers bore you?

emotions without logics is going back to being animals.


How can we go back to being what we already are?


I agree. I should have worded it better, like, dunno "going back to being stupid animals and nothing more".
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Postby Ashaven » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:05 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Ashaven wrote:True, but logic without emotion is something even I want no part in.


So why are you using a computer?


Sorry, I was referring to such an outlook on all of life. Within areas that demand as such, I will do so (ah, math).
In regards to your question: Are you proposing there are no emotional outlets involved in a computer?
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Postby Ashaven » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:06 pm

Voltairian Prospects wrote:Logic is all well and good... but very few people actually possess any logic :lol2:

It is quite apparent in todays youth, and it would appear it is getting worse :?



Don't get me wrong... there ARE exceptions.


Like me~!
And I know exactly what you're talking about...;;;
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:08 pm

niether, only the acquisition of power.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:09 pm

Ashaven wrote:Are you proposing there are no emotional outlets involved in a computer?


I'm proposing that the computer itself operates on simple binary logic and has no sense of emotion.
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby New Ziedrich » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:10 pm

Hydesland wrote:
New Ziedrich wrote:Interesting question. I think that, in such a situation, I'd have to make a cost/benefit analysis. If adopting an emotional decision-making process would improve happiness while avoiding decisions with negative outcomes that would decrease happiness, then it would make sense to move to a more emotional decision-making style.


So, ultimately, an emotion (happiness), is the overriding aim/factor, right?


In that hypothetical situation, yes. Besides, I don't see anything inherently irrational or illogical about enjoying life. It's just that people often make decisions that adversly affect their quality of life.

Ironically enough, these unsound decisions are often made in the basis of obtaining short-term happiness. Quite often, this will lead to long-term misery.
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Postby Voltairian Prospects » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:12 pm

Ashaven wrote:
Voltairian Prospects wrote:Logic is all well and good... but very few people actually possess any logic :lol2:

It is quite apparent in todays youth, and it would appear it is getting worse :?



Don't get me wrong... there ARE exceptions.


Like me~!
And I know exactly what you're talking about...;;;


Good, I am glad you agree... I was getting tired of arguing my point to the wall...




It isn't at all logical :p
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Postby New Ziedrich » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:14 pm

Omnicracy wrote:To my two:

1) Emotions are important to the anaisis of data as well, at least to me.

2) But I do not do any of those things and still get to feel. Mine seems superior.


Emotions, in and of themselves, have little value to me. They are not an end, and they are only occasionally a means to a greater end.
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Postby Hydesland » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:18 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:In that hypothetical situation, yes.


This doesn't seem to be hypothetical. This seems to be your ultimate aim in your (and presumably almost everyone else's) life.

Besides, I don't see anything inherently irrational or illogical about enjoying life.


It's neither inherently illogical or logical, it's emotional.

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Postby Ashaven » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:20 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Ashaven wrote:Are you proposing there are no emotional outlets involved in a computer?


I'm proposing that the computer itself operates on simple binary logic and has no sense of emotion.


Which it indeed does. I simply do not want to apply such a system to my entire life.
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Postby New Kereptica » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:24 pm

I see no reason to classify emotions as any more than some form of bio-engineered logic, of the sort that our brains routinely engage in, the mechanics of which we have yet to understand. Of course, I know practically nothing about neurology, so that could be complete bullshit.

Or are we merely speaking of the connotations that people give 'logic' and 'emotion', and with which of them on which we believe society and man must rely?
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Postby Ashaven » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:25 pm

Voltairian Prospects wrote:
Ashaven wrote:
Voltairian Prospects wrote:Logic is all well and good... but very few people actually possess any logic :lol2:

It is quite apparent in todays youth, and it would appear it is getting worse :?



Don't get me wrong... there ARE exceptions.


Like me~!
And I know exactly what you're talking about...;;;


Good, I am glad you agree... I was getting tired of arguing my point to the wall...

I first became a logic junkie after reading "deductive reasoning" on Wiki in my earlier years, and I can name a few people who would benefit from using such reasoning.....

I just logically use my emotions for my personal choices, and other things that I need considerable motivation for.


It isn't at all logical :p
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Postby Ashaven » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:26 pm

New Kereptica wrote:I see no reason to classify emotions as any more than some form of bio-engineered logic, of the sort that our brains routinely engage in, the mechanics of which we have yet to understand. Of course, I know practically nothing about neurology, so that could be complete bullshit.

Or are we merely speaking of the connotations that people give 'logic' and 'emotion', and with which of them on which we believe society and man must rely?


^ This.
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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:28 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:To my two:

1) Emotions are important to the anaisis of data as well, at least to me.

2) But I do not do any of those things and still get to feel. Mine seems superior.


Emotions, in and of themselves, have little value to me. They are not an end, and they are only occasionally a means to a greater end.


But it sounds like you let them out of a cage when they agree with you. I train mine to agree with me from the get go.

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Postby New Ziedrich » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:33 pm

Hydesland wrote:
New Ziedrich wrote:In that hypothetical situation, yes.


This doesn't seem to be hypothetical. This seems to be your ultimate aim in your (and presumably almost everyone else's) life.

Besides, I don't see anything inherently irrational or illogical about enjoying life.


It's neither inherently illogical or logical, it's emotional.


Perhaps, but I never said that emotion didn't have its place.
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Postby Ashaven » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:37 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:
Hydesland wrote:
New Ziedrich wrote:In that hypothetical situation, yes.


This doesn't seem to be hypothetical. This seems to be your ultimate aim in your (and presumably almost everyone else's) life.

Besides, I don't see anything inherently irrational or illogical about enjoying life.


It's neither inherently illogical or logical, it's emotional.


Perhaps, but I never said that emotion didn't have its place.


Indeed. I'm usually a very logical person. I know deep down that causality governs this universe (until I hear a contradicting statement, I bet even God follows logic), but I like my emotions in many cases, and like to fool myself into thinking they aren't entirely logical. One of the few times where I will say "Ignorance is bliss".
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Postby New Ziedrich » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:47 pm

Omnicracy wrote:But it sounds like you let them out of a cage when they agree with you. I train mine to agree with me from the get go.


Not really. I have a strong degree of control over my emotions, in the sense that I am always capable of making rational decisions despite my emotional state at any given moment.
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Postby Ashaven » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:51 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:But it sounds like you let them out of a cage when they agree with you. I train mine to agree with me from the get go.


Not really. I have a strong degree of control over my emotions, in the sense that I am always capable of making rational decisions despite my emotional state at any given moment.


Agreed, though I try to not be too restrictive of my emotions (or even just blend them as a sort of personal compromise).
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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:56 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:But it sounds like you let them out of a cage when they agree with you. I train mine to agree with me from the get go.


Not really. I have a strong degree of control over my emotions, in the sense that I am always capable of making rational decisions despite my emotional state at any given moment.


How is that differant from what I said?

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:12 pm

I'm interested in how you are able to control your emotions.
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