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Emotions vs Logic

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What will the future of humanity require?

emotions
5
7%
logic
22
31%
both
37
53%
neither
1
1%
other
0
No votes
joke option
5
7%
 
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Emotions vs Logic

Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:32 pm

I've been considering the relationship between basing decisions off of emotion vs basing them off of logic.
So NSG are you privy to emotions or logic? Or do you feel like you have met a happy balance?

I also pose these questions:
We can all probably agree that there is some sort of balance between emotions and logic. If it can be defined at all what is it?

Is the advancement of all mankind dependent on one of these aspects(should we get rid of one or the other that is)? and Why?

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:33 pm

Emotions are for weaklings. /cyborg
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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:34 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:Emotions are for weaklings. /cyborg

I envy you.
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Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Revolvisia » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:40 pm

I don't know the balance, but if I did I'd definitely be there right now. I'm much too logical, not emotional enough.

As for the future of mankind, I believe we will continue to need both, cold logic to progress further to the future, emotion to enjoy the present.
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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:42 pm

United Dependencies wrote:I've been considering the relationship between basing decisions off of emotion vs basing them off of logic.
So NSG are you privy to emotions or logic? Or do you feel like you have met a happy balance?

I also pose these questions:
We can all probably agree that there is some sort of balance between emotions and logic. If it can be defined at all what is it?

Is the advancement of all mankind dependent on one of these aspects(should we get rid of one or the other that is)? and Why?


Logic-controled emotion. Logicaly determine what emotional responces are apropriate and feel those. I strongly believe everybody should do that because it seems to be the most efective way of doing things. It is freedom from biological programing.

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Postby United Russian State » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:43 pm

Logic, emotionsmake for stupid choices.
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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:44 pm

United Russian State wrote:Logic, emotionsmake for stupid choices.


So you would say emotions are worthless then?

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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:46 pm

Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?

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Postby Kamsaki » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:48 pm

United Dependencies wrote:We can all probably agree that there is some sort of balance between emotions and logic. If it can be defined at all what is it?

I'm not sure logic means what you think it does. Acting emotionally still probably uses a form of logic and reason. You might view it as something like the following:

The thought of doing "this" feels exciting.
I do things that are exciting.
"This" is the only exciting course of action available.
Therefore, I'm going to do "this".

What's really going on when "this" is something clearly ridiculous and harming to your continued existence (such as sticking your head in a lion's mouth) is not a misapplication of logic, but a misapplication of utility. You've reasoned entirely correctly; it's just that your premised notion of how you decide what to do next is skewed in favour of things that are really stupid.

There is no balance. You just need to learn to tune your emotions to make them choose to do things that are right for you.

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Postby Melkor Unchained » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:48 pm

Omnicracy wrote:Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?

Its a technical shortcut we had to make in order to speed the forums up again. Clicky-clicky!
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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:51 pm

Melkor Unchained wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?

Its a technical shortcut we had to make in order to speed the forums up again. Clicky-clicky!


Well this sucks...

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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:52 pm

Omnicracy wrote:
Melkor Unchained wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?

Its a technical shortcut we had to make in order to speed the forums up again. Clicky-clicky!


Well this sucks...


So is it fixed now?

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Postby New Ziedrich » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:52 pm

Omnicracy wrote:Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?


This will explain.

Anyway, Logic > Emotion all day, every day.

Dammit, Melkor, why'd you have to be so quick on the draw?
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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:52 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?


This will explain.

Anyway, Logic > Emotion all day, every day.

What do you think of mine then?

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:53 pm

Kamsaki wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:We can all probably agree that there is some sort of balance between emotions and logic. If it can be defined at all what is it?

I'm not sure logic means what you think it does. Acting emotionally still probably uses a form of logic and reason. You might view it as something like the following:

The thought of doing "this" feels exciting.
I do things that are exciting.
"This" is the only exciting course of action available.
Therefore, I'm going to do "this".

What's really going on when "this" is something clearly ridiculous and harming to your continued existence (such as sticking your head in a lion's mouth) is not a misapplication of logic, but a misapplication of utility. You've reasoned entirely correctly; it's just that your premised notion of how you decide what to do next is skewed in favour of things that are really stupid.

There is no balance. You just need to learn to tune your emotions to make them choose to do things that are right for you.

Is not the desire to do what excites you emotions overridding logic though? You do raise a good point about how emotions and logic/rationality interact though.
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Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Flameswroth » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:53 pm

Joke option.

I don't think logic or emotion is the end-all, beat-all way of making every decision ever. By and large, logic ought to dictate decisions and interactions outside the realm of personal issues. For instance, logic should be used in determining which vendor to buy spare cooling coils from for your company, not emotion. But I think emotion should be used for personal decisions. For instance, trusting another individual to the point of becoming romantically exclusive is not really logical.

So both, in their own situations.
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Postby Smunkeeville » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:54 pm

United Dependencies wrote:I've been considering the relationship between basing decisions off of emotion vs basing them off of logic.
So NSG are you privy to emotions or logic? Or do you feel like you have met a happy balance?

I also pose these questions:
We can all probably agree that there is some sort of balance between emotions and logic. If it can be defined at all what is it?

Is the advancement of all mankind dependent on one of these aspects(should we get rid of one or the other that is)? and Why?

I'm an ENTJ I rarely make emotional decisions. If I do make a decision based in emotion it's usually because I'm drunk or high.
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Postby New Ziedrich » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:54 pm

Omnicracy wrote:
New Ziedrich wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?


This will explain.

Anyway, Logic > Emotion all day, every day.

What do you think of mine then?


Seems okay.
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Postby Melkor Unchained » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:55 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?


This will explain.

Anyway, Logic > Emotion all day, every day.

Dammit, Melkor, why'd you have to be so quick on the draw?

Because it's my job :p

Also no, it's not fixed yet to my knowledge. My posts are appearing as normal for the most part, but I don't know enough about what's being done on the back end (*cue Beavis & Butthead laughs*) to tell anyone for sure how long it will be or what exactly is being affected.
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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:57 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:
New Ziedrich wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?


This will explain.

Anyway, Logic > Emotion all day, every day.

What do you think of mine then?


Seems okay.

Is that how you work?

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Postby United Russian State » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:57 pm

Omnicracy wrote:
United Russian State wrote:Logic, emotionsmake for stupid choices.


So you would say emotions are worthless then?


Mostly.
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Postby Melkor Unchained » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:59 pm

United Russian State wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:
United Russian State wrote:Logic, emotionsmake for stupid choices.


So you would say emotions are worthless then?


Mostly.

For me it depends. In some areas (especially if you're an artist) being a predominantly emotional person probably has its benefits. But in terms of decision-making and knowledge-gathering (which, not being overly artistic, are priorities for me) capacities, I gotta go with Logic all the way. I've gotten much more out of it in my life than I have from the alternative :p
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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:59 pm

Melkor Unchained wrote:
New Ziedrich wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:Why is this not showing up in my "View your posts" thingy?


This will explain.

Anyway, Logic > Emotion all day, every day.

Dammit, Melkor, why'd you have to be so quick on the draw?

Because it's my job :p

Also no, it's not fixed yet to my knowledge. My posts are appearing as normal for the most part, but I don't know enough about what's being done on the back end (*cue Beavis & Butthead laughs*) to tell anyone for sure how long it will be or what exactly is being affected.


Well, I assumed it was fixxed as it showed up in my "View your posts" thingy.

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:00 pm

Flameswroth wrote:Joke option.

I don't think logic or emotion is the end-all, beat-all way of making every decision ever. By and large, logic ought to dictate decisions and interactions outside the realm of personal issues. For instance, logic should be used in determining which vendor to buy spare cooling coils from for your company, not emotion. But I think emotion should be used for personal decisions. For instance, trusting another individual to the point of becoming romantically exclusive is not really logical.

So both, in their own situations.

I understand your point but I must ask one thing. Why should we make decisions that are illogical ever?
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Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.

Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.

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Postby Omnicracy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:00 pm

United Russian State wrote:
Omnicracy wrote:
United Russian State wrote:Logic, emotionsmake for stupid choices.


So you would say emotions are worthless then?


Mostly.


Then you would remove joy and rage and all of those things if you could?

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