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How would you prefer the 114th congress be set up? How will it be?

GOP House/GOP Senate
107
32%
GOP House/ Dem Senate (current)
25
8%
Dem House/ Dem Senate
148
45%
Dem House/ GOP Senate
8
2%
Other?
42
13%
 
Total votes : 330

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Postby Grenartia » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:22 am

Othelos wrote:
Nation Patriots wrote:Well In reality I feel it will be 53-47 Republicans, but after looking at each individual race, It's hard to say which one they will lose. But if they were to lose in one or two races, it would be New Hampshire and North Carolina.

probably. Although, they may win Georgia. So it's really a gamble. Election day is a week away, so we'll find out then.

Nation Patriots wrote:Neither the Republicans or Democrats will die, it's just when Democrats talk about Republicans on a Presidential level, the automatically assume the GOP will just die.

Well, atm the GOP is struggling due to the fact that it disproportionately relies on older, white voters. The younger people who replace those voters as they are dying are more socially liberal and racially diverse, so if they continue on their current trajectory, it will become more and more difficult for them to win races outside of very traditionally conservative areas.

They have to somehow adjust to the changing social climate. I would be much happier with a more libertarian GOP.


Of course, the GOP relies FAR too much on those older, less freedom-loving voters to ever change their platform until most of them die off. Which could be decades, seeing as how most of the ones I know/have seen are middle age. They're simply not ever going to be able to pander to the other demographics until either the attitudes of most of their bread and butter changes, or until most of their bread and butter goes away. Its a prime example of Crippling Overspecialization.
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:25 am

Othelos wrote:
Nation Patriots wrote:Well In reality I feel it will be 53-47 Republicans, but after looking at each individual race, It's hard to say which one they will lose. But if they were to lose in one or two races, it would be New Hampshire and North Carolina.

probably. Although, they may win Georgia. So it's really a gamble. Election day is a week away, so we'll find out then.

Nation Patriots wrote:Neither the Republicans or Democrats will die, it's just when Democrats talk about Republicans on a Presidential level, the automatically assume the GOP will just die.

Well, atm the GOP is struggling due to the fact that it disproportionately relies on older, white voters. The younger people who replace those voters as they are dying are more socially liberal and racially diverse, so if they continue on their current trajectory, it will become more and more difficult for them to win races outside of very traditionally conservative areas.

They have to somehow adjust to the changing social climate. I would be much happier with a more libertarian GOP.


Libertarians are more strict and racist

And they want to lower taxes

Especially on the rich

The taxes aren't even high enough, and we don't even have inheritance tax
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:27 am

Good. They'll be fucked in 2016 and 2020, let them have some fun.

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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:30 am

Kelinfort wrote:Good. They'll be fucked in 2016 and 2020, let them have some fun.


The GOP is full of retards who want no insanity checks for gun ownership, lower taxes, and cut down trees
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Postby Britanno » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:30 am

Blazedtown wrote:Democrats win the House. The Republican Party is batshit insane and people are realizing it.

So are the American public by the sounds of things. :p
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:33 am

Britanno wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:Democrats win the House. The Republican Party is batshit insane and people are realizing it.

So are the American public by the sounds of things. :p


So is Obama.

He's too right wing
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Postby Othelos » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:34 am

Firsthome wrote:
Othelos wrote:probably. Although, they may win Georgia. So it's really a gamble. Election day is a week away, so we'll find out then.


Well, atm the GOP is struggling due to the fact that it disproportionately relies on older, white voters. The younger people who replace those voters as they are dying are more socially liberal and racially diverse, so if they continue on their current trajectory, it will become more and more difficult for them to win races outside of very traditionally conservative areas.

They have to somehow adjust to the changing social climate. I would be much happier with a more libertarian GOP.


Libertarians are more strict and racist

source pls
Firsthome wrote:And they want to lower taxes

Especially on the rich

The taxes aren't even high enough, and we don't even have inheritance tax

Move to a state with higher taxes then, & NY and some other states have inheritance taxes.

I'm still in favor of a progressive tax code. Flat taxes are silly.
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:36 am

Othelos wrote:
Firsthome wrote:
Libertarians are more strict and racist

source pls
Firsthome wrote:And they want to lower taxes

Especially on the rich

The taxes aren't even high enough, and we don't even have inheritance tax

Move to a state with higher taxes then, & NY and some other states have inheritance taxes.

I'm still in favor of a progressive tax code. Flat taxes are silly.


Libertarians want to lower taxes, be fucking racist, and have less education
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Postby Othelos » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:39 am

Firsthome wrote:
Othelos wrote:source pls

Move to a state with higher taxes then, & NY and some other states have inheritance taxes.

I'm still in favor of a progressive tax code. Flat taxes are silly.


Libertarians want to lower taxes, be fucking racist, and have less education

Lowering taxes isn't wrong if it makes sense, and source of the racist and less educated part.

What about libertarianism supports racism or lower levels of education?
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:43 am

Othelos wrote:
Firsthome wrote:
Libertarians want to lower taxes, be fucking racist, and have less education

Lowering taxes isn't wrong if it makes sense, and source of the racist and less educated part.

What about libertarianism supports racism or lower levels of education?


They're hard core right wingers.

And taxes should ALWAYS be raised
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:45 am

Oh, and most neo nazis who aren't in the nazi party are in the libertarian one
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Postby Andarro » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:46 am

I would prefer to see both parties swept from power and replaced with citizens with no party affiliation.

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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:48 am

Andarro wrote:I would prefer to see both parties swept from power and replaced with citizens with no party affiliation.


Most preferable
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Postby Andarro » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:51 am

It would be nice to have some actual representation for a change, not just the illusion or pretense of representation.

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Postby Othelos » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:55 am

Firsthome wrote:
Othelos wrote:Lowering taxes isn't wrong if it makes sense, and source of the racist and less educated part.

What about libertarianism supports racism or lower levels of education?


They're hard core right wingers.

And taxes should ALWAYS be raised

I'm not an idealistic libertarian. If something doesn't make sense, then I won't support it.

And no, taxes shouldn't ALWAYS be raised. Only when it makes sense to.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:56 am

Firsthome wrote:Oh, and most neo nazis who aren't in the nazi party are in the libertarian one

Ok? What does nazism have to do with libertarianism?

"Some people are nazis in a fringe party!"
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:23 am

Firsthome wrote:
Othelos wrote:Lowering taxes isn't wrong if it makes sense, and source of the racist and less educated part.

What about libertarianism supports racism or lower levels of education?


They're hard core right wingers.

And taxes should ALWAYS be raised

I'm sorry, you're incorrect. Economically, the libertarians are right wing. Socially, they are centre to left wing.


They oppose discrimination legislation, which I agree shouldn't be repealed, on the grounds the market will correct, by boycott, any discrimination.

They support privatised education, and reimbursement in the form of vouchers. Again, I don't agree with that approach, but it's up for debat whether it's worse education.

Taxes SHOULDN'T always be raised, and I'm struggling to take you seriously here. Even if you oppose Neoliberal economics, the Laffer curve is real.

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Postby Andarro » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:26 am

Othelos wrote:
Firsthome wrote:
They're hard core right wingers.

And taxes should ALWAYS be raised

I'm not an idealistic libertarian. If something doesn't make sense, then I won't support it.

And no, taxes shouldn't ALWAYS be raised. Only when it makes sense to.


All due respect, but why should 'We the people' be compelled to pay more taxes to cover the irresponsible spending practices of the government?

These politicians use $944,672 per year each, just for their secretaries (up to 18 of them), they get a raise each year based on inflation, they pay $0 in operating costs.

Meanwhile, approximately 1/3 of the US population is either homeless, living at or below poverty, underemployed or unemployed, and living in a neighborhood that resembles a war zone.

This country is bankrupt and owes upwards of $17,770,878,224,354 (17.7 Trillion Dollars) with a GDP of 16.8 Trillion Dollars.

All of this has been happening on their watch, and their actions appear to be a pathetic excuse; so the choice is what exactly?

Elect a bag of poop as opposed to a bag of poop?

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Postby Othelos » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:30 am

Andarro wrote:
Othelos wrote:I'm not an idealistic libertarian. If something doesn't make sense, then I won't support it.

And no, taxes shouldn't ALWAYS be raised. Only when it makes sense to.


All due respect, but why should 'We the people' be compelled to pay more taxes to cover the irresponsible spending practices of the government?

These politicians use $944,672 per year each, just for their secretaries (up to 18 of them), they get a raise each year based on inflation, they pay $0 in operating costs.

Meanwhile, approximately 1/3 of the US population is either homeless, living at or below poverty, underemployed or unemployed, and living in a neighborhood that resembles a war zone.

This country is bankrupt and owes upwards of $17,770,878,224,354 (17.7 Trillion Dollars) with a GDP of 16.8 Trillion Dollars.

All of this has been happening on their watch, and their actions appear to be a pathetic excuse; so the choice is what exactly?

Elect a bag of poop as opposed to a bag of poop?

I think you might have quoted me by accident
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Postby Maineiacs » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:35 am

Andarro wrote:
Othelos wrote:I'm not an idealistic libertarian. If something doesn't make sense, then I won't support it.

And no, taxes shouldn't ALWAYS be raised. Only when it makes sense to.


All due respect, but why should 'We the people' be compelled to pay more taxes to cover the irresponsible spending practices of the government?

These politicians use $944,672 per year each, just for their secretaries (up to 18 of them), they get a raise each year based on inflation, they pay $0 in operating costs.

Meanwhile, approximately 1/3 of the US population is either homeless, living at or below poverty, underemployed or unemployed, and living in a neighborhood that resembles a war zone.

This country is bankrupt and owes upwards of $17,770,878,224,354 (17.7 Trillion Dollars) with a GDP of 16.8 Trillion Dollars.

All of this has been happening on their watch, and their actions appear to be a pathetic excuse; so the choice is what exactly?

Elect a bag of poop as opposed to a bag of poop?



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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:39 am

I would prefer the GOP to win because of their economic policy however i think gay marriage and weed should be legal.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:39 am

Andarro wrote:
Othelos wrote:I'm not an idealistic libertarian. If something doesn't make sense, then I won't support it.

And no, taxes shouldn't ALWAYS be raised. Only when it makes sense to.


All due respect, but why should 'We the people' be compelled to pay more taxes to cover the irresponsible spending practices of the government?

These politicians use $944,672 per year each, just for their secretaries (up to 18 of them), they get a raise each year based on inflation, they pay $0 in operating costs.

Meanwhile, approximately 1/3 of the US population is either homeless, living at or below poverty, underemployed or unemployed, and living in a neighborhood that resembles a war zone.

This country is bankrupt and owes upwards of $17,770,878,224,354 (17.7 Trillion Dollars) with a GDP of 16.8 Trillion Dollars.

All of this has been happening on their watch, and their actions appear to be a pathetic excuse; so the choice is what exactly?

Elect a bag of poop as opposed to a bag of poop?

We love to blame our politicians so much.

But "we the people" elect the motherfuckers in the first place. Why can't we have a better social services net if we really wanted it? Why can't we have less corruption, better and efficient people in office, and a smaller deficit?

Because we're apathetic. That's the problem. Not them, us.

Oh, and we're not bankrupt. Go look at our bond yields if you don't believe me.

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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:42 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I would prefer the GOP to win because of their economic policy however i think gay marriage and weed should be legal.


Their economic policy that has been proven to be an utter failure?
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:48 am

Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I would prefer the GOP to win because of their economic policy however i think gay marriage and weed should be legal.


Their economic policy that has been proven to be an utter failure?

I mean the lowering of taxes in the reagan time.
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:55 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
Their economic policy that has been proven to be an utter failure?

I mean the lowering of taxes in the reagan time.



.....Which severely damaged the economy.
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