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How would you prefer the 114th congress be set up? How will it be?

GOP House/GOP Senate
107
32%
GOP House/ Dem Senate (current)
25
8%
Dem House/ Dem Senate
148
45%
Dem House/ GOP Senate
8
2%
Other?
42
13%
 
Total votes : 330

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:13 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh you run your own business? Obamacare didn't hurt me as I currently part of a large company. Premiums were going up all the time so his "increase" was part of the norm.

Cost of Guns? You a gun seller?


No, I work for a large company and my premiums went up. No I am not a gun seller, but the price of guns and ammo went up due to the increase in demand when he was attempting to pass more gun restrictions.


Ok. I get you. Like I said it depends on the area and the profession. His policies have not hurt me that much.

My wife is working again while the shrub kept her out of work for several years.

I guess we were just unlucky and kept missing the clouds for all the trickle-down wealth. ;)
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Postby Ermarian » Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:59 am

Okay, between what I'd prefer (the GOP as it is now being ousted from any kind of power) and what I suspect will happen: If I had to put money on it, I'd listen to Nate Silver who currently gives it 3:2 for a GOP senate. This would result in a lame duck presidency, and a marginally more dysfunctional government than now.
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Postby Talanzaar » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:32 pm

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The main reason I would suggest voting for him is because of his balanced budget plan that will balance the budget in 3-5 years.

Whats the big deal with balanced budgets? If more spending is needed to help those in need and to provide greater services to society, I see no problem with a deficit.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:39 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
No, I work for a large company and my premiums went up. No I am not a gun seller, but the price of guns and ammo went up due to the increase in demand when he was attempting to pass more gun restrictions.

Well, I can't really comment on the first one, but that second bit sounds more like the free market responding to outside causes. Thought you liked the free market?

That's some rather failing logical progression.

Were the government to begin bringing legislation to the floor of Congress about banning peanut butter cups (no, this analogy is not related to my current bizarre craving for a peanut butter cup), the subsequent disappearance of peanut butter cups from shelves as people buy & hoard them is hardly a product of the free market.
Y'know, since it's a product of proposed government intrusion in the market.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:41 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
That's some rather failing logical progression.

Were the government to begin bringing legislation to the floor of Congress about banning peanut butter cups (no, this analogy is not related to my current bizarre craving for a peanut butter cup), the subsequent disappearance of peanut butter cups from shelves as people buy & hoard them is hardly a product of the free market.
Y'know, since it's a product of proposed government intrusion in the market.

I wouldn't trust anyone who panicked that easily.
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Postby WestRedMaple » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:44 pm

Wait! Two questions.....which are we supposed to answer in the poll?

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:58 pm

WestRedMaple wrote:Wait! Two questions.....which are we supposed to answer in the poll?


What? I...
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Postby Upper America » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:03 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I recovered under Clinton. Regan and Poppy Bush did their best to make me poor. The shrub nearly got me. Obama isn't great but he is better then the shrub. I shudder at the thought of Romney. We would have been in a greater depression. He was delusional. "Just foreclose on everybody so we can start the recovery." (well not exact quote). Really Mit? Wipe out 40-60 million households and the economy will rebound?


Obama has done his best to make ME poor. I soldier on and slowly improve my lot in spite of him.

And how has he done that?

Big Jim P wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh you run your own business? Obamacare didn't hurt me as I currently part of a large company. Premiums were going up all the time so his "increase" was part of the norm.

Cost of Guns? You a gun seller?


No, I work for a large company and my premiums went up. No I am not a gun seller, but the price of guns and ammo went up due to the increase in demand when he was attempting to pass more gun restrictions.

That's because people flipped their shit when they heard that criminals can't have guns. Kinda like how they are now with ebola. Wouldn't be surprised if all the Home Depots in Dallas were suddenly sold out.
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Postby Othelos » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:26 pm

WestRedMaple wrote:Wait! Two questions.....which are we supposed to answer in the poll?

oh wow I just noticed that...
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Postby Apparatchikstan » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:14 pm

Othelos wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:Wait! Two questions.....which are we supposed to answer in the poll?

oh wow I just noticed that...

There are two options, one to answer each part I thought.

Meanwhile, it hardly matters to me how it shakes out.
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Postby Othelos » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:16 pm

Apparatchikstan wrote:
Othelos wrote:oh wow I just noticed that...

There are two options, one to answer each part I thought.

Oh I didn't notice that either lol.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:36 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:
That's some rather failing logical progression.

Were the government to begin bringing legislation to the floor of Congress about banning peanut butter cups (no, this analogy is not related to my current bizarre craving for a peanut butter cup), the subsequent disappearance of peanut butter cups from shelves as people buy & hoard them is hardly a product of the free market.
Y'know, since it's a product of proposed government intrusion in the market.

I wouldn't trust anyone who panicked that easily.


It doesn't have to be out of panic. A lot of people buy stuff in bulk that may be lost/banned to sell for a higher price later.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:47 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Well, I can't really comment on the first one, but that second bit sounds more like the free market responding to outside causes. Thought you liked the free market?

That's some rather failing logical progression.

Were the government to begin bringing legislation to the floor of Congress about banning peanut butter cups (no, this analogy is not related to my current bizarre craving for a peanut butter cup), the subsequent disappearance of peanut butter cups from shelves as people buy & hoard them is hardly a product of the free market.
Y'know, since it's a product of proposed government intrusion in the market.

Someone proposing legislation on the floor of Congress has nothing to do with the likelihood of the bill passing. It was obviously unlikely to pass, so the bill failed.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:49 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh you run your own business? Obamacare didn't hurt me as I currently part of a large company. Premiums were going up all the time so his "increase" was part of the norm.

Cost of Guns? You a gun seller?


No, I work for a large company and my premiums went up.

Premiums have been going up for decades. How much your premiums went up by is what counts.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:03 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh you run your own business? Obamacare didn't hurt me as I currently part of a large company. Premiums were going up all the time so his "increase" was part of the norm.

Cost of Guns? You a gun seller?


No, I work for a large company and my premiums went up. No I am not a gun seller, but the price of guns and ammo went up due to the increase in demand when he was attempting to pass more gun restrictions.

You're correct, Obamacare is terrible...because it doesn't go to the extent of a single payer or the Japanese system, which would be a fair compromise between private and public.

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Postby WestRedMaple » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:02 pm

What I think will happen: GOP with a majority in House and Senate

What I want to happen: both those parties to fall apart as people flock to libertarianism

The best I can reasonably hope for any time in the near future: Democrats and Republicans staying reasonably balanced to prevent either from really being able to run rampant

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Postby WestRedMaple » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:07 pm

Apparatchikstan wrote:
Othelos wrote:oh wow I just noticed that...

There are two options, one to answer each part I thought.

Meanwhile, it hardly matters to me how it shakes out.
The technocratic progressive powermongers who typically legislate against and marginalize the producer get supplanted by the technocratic progressive powermongers who typically legislate against and marginalize the producer. Woohoo!



True, but there is no way to distinguish what people are hoping for from what they're guessing will happen....which can be quite different things (I wanted the Reds to win the Series, but we all knew that wasn't going to happen)

And, if you do hope for what you expect will happen, then you only get one vote, which gets undercounted when contrasted with the two for other people.

This place really needs to allow more than one poll

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:11 pm

pls no

do not want

neocons get out

libby libs get out

centrist master race

-a poem by Nirvash Type TheEND
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Postby The balkens » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:11 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:pls no

do not want

neocons get out

libby libs get out

centrist master race


Good luck with that, mein herr.

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Postby Grenartia » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:53 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:pls no

do not want

neocons get out

libby libs get out

centrist master race

-a poem by Nirvash Type TheEND


Define "centrism".
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:00 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:pls no

do not want

neocons get out

libby libs get out

centrist master race

-a poem by Nirvash Type TheEND


Define "centrism".

Pragmatism and common sense solutions.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:04 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Define "centrism".

Pragmatism and common sense solutions.


What utter vague vagueness that EVERYBODY (yes, including liberals and conservatives) says their ideology is. What makes your ideology different?
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:05 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Pragmatism and common sense solutions.


What utter vague vagueness that EVERYBODY (yes, including liberals and conservatives) says their ideology is. What makes your ideology different?

I think the real question is what makes your ideology different,
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:08 pm

WestRedMaple wrote:What I think will happen: GOP with a majority in House and Senate

What I want to happen: both those parties to fall apart as people flock to libertarianism

The best I can reasonably hope for any time in the near future: Democrats and Republicans staying reasonably balanced to prevent either from really being able to run rampant


While it would be infinitely better if people flocked to libertarianism, and not the Libertarian Party but to real, hardcore minarchists, that's NOT going to happen.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:10 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Define "centrism".

Pragmatism and common sense solutions.


You mean Middle Ground Fallacies and a Political Identity Crisis.

True Centrism is actually Progressive. More left than liberal. Why? America's political spectrum ranges from far-right republicans to center-right democrats.
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