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by Jamjai » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:47 pm

by The balkens » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:47 pm

by The United Territories of Providence » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:48 pm

by Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:48 pm
Olerand wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:Look, I'm an American. I'm proud. I'm arrogant. But...
For chrissake please don't leave us isolated here with these neo-Calvinist fundamentalists!
The only way America, or any country, really, can ever change the views of its internal society is through the influence of other nations. Let's face it: an America sick of Europe's influence would be further left to the machinations of neoliberal neocons. We're all members of NATO here. We're all buddies, right? Don't leave us babe, we can change!
With all seriousness, I'm not asking that you advocate buddying up to the US. Just, y'know, don't write us off as a lost cause yet. Give us the benefit of the doubt, even if at a distance.
It's unfortunate, but the US has all the leverage. Our elite will grovel and sell us out, as usual, and we'll be the ones getting shafted.
Americans' choices are their own, if they want a fifth of their people living in poverty and dying of curable diseases, then I wouldn't force our choices on them.
But I will fight tooth and nail to prevent their choices from becoming ours. I'll vote for Marine, her father, her niece, her lover, her cat and her father's dog; and join all their protests and movements before I resign myself and my country to becoming another Britain.
America simply is this way, it has been this way since its founding, and that's fine, that's the choice the people have made, from my observations.
I don't want that for France or its people and especially not our poor, and my family's been bourgeois for generations now.Arlenton wrote:So I cant use American standards because there are more people elsewhere who don't agree with it?
A vast majority of people elsewhere, and at least a plurality of people on this forum, will not agree; so yes.
Barack Hussein Obama is a centrist fit for the French Democratic Movement, a centrist political party.
One should refrain from calling someone something he isn't.


by Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:49 pm
Olerand wrote:Allow me to declare that as a non-American, who admittedly leans Democrat like the majority of sane Europeans, I find it downright offensive and disrespectful of America's Christians to declare themselves an oppressed minority, like the Yazidis and the Christians of the Middle East.
Literally offensive and disrespectful. There are actual Human beings dying, being raped, and enslaved out there due to actual oppression, and a government mandate that was later overturned concerning employer provided birth control does not come anywhere near actual oppression.
It's honestly disgusting, and shows the crippling problems that America's Christian community has with sharing power in a democratic regime.
Catholics are actually, de jure, a minority in France. Their opinion is disregarded, their arguments laughed at. And yet, they still have the decency to not claim they are being oppressed, knowing of the all too real oppression some suffer in the world.

by Gauthier » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:50 pm
Olerand wrote:Allow me to declare that as a non-American, who admittedly leans Democrat like the majority of sane Europeans, I find it downright offensive and disrespectful of America's Christians to declare themselves an oppressed minority, like the Yazidis and the Christians of the Middle East.
Literally offensive and disrespectful. There are actual Human beings dying, being raped, and enslaved out there due to actual oppression, and a government mandate that was later overturned concerning employer provided birth control does not come anywhere near actual oppression.
It's honestly disgusting, and shows the crippling problems that America's Christian community has with sharing power in a democratic regime.
Catholics are actually, de jure, a minority in France. Their opinion is disregarded, their arguments laughed at. And yet, they still have the decency to not claim they are being oppressed, knowing of the all too real oppression some suffer in the world.

by Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:50 pm

by Grenartia » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:50 pm
Olerand wrote:Allow me to declare that as a non-American, who admittedly leans Democrat like the majority of sane Europeans, I find it downright offensive and disrespectful of America's Christians to declare themselves an oppressed minority, like the Yazidis and the Christians of the Middle East.
Literally offensive and disrespectful. There are actual Human beings dying, being raped, and enslaved out there due to actual oppression, and a government mandate that was later overturned concerning employer provided birth control does not come anywhere near actual oppression.
It's honestly disgusting, and shows the crippling problems that America's Christian community has with sharing power in a democratic regime.
Catholics are actually, de jure, a minority in France. Their opinion is disregarded, their arguments laughed at. And yet, they still have the decency to not claim they are being oppressed, knowing of the all too real oppression some suffer in the world.

by Dragomerian Islands » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:52 pm
The United Territories of Providence wrote:Dragomerian Islands wrote:I am absolutely sure that you would be using a biased source.
Due to the previous elections and how the GOP distances itself from any race that is not white (I would list them but that list would be too long), the GOP crippled itself. The last presidential election was lost for them because they tried a candidate that was too conservative. If they continue down their path, they will not have any majorities or presidential seats.
Believe it or not....the facts have no bias. Unless there is a political earthquake, Republicans are poised for victory.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/senate-model/
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by Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:52 pm
Cata Larga wrote:Arlenton wrote:Regardless of what happened or who you think was responsible, polls show the GOP making gains in congress, with a real possibility of taking the senate.
If they still vote for the Ted Cruz clique, I'll have truly lost confidence in the American electorate. I'd still respect the public's prerogative to vote, but I'll still be bitterly, bitterly disappointed.

by Williamson » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:52 pm

by Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:55 pm

by Myrensis » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:55 pm
ODMS Babel wrote:How could the Republicans possible win anything at this point? They have completely destroyed their credibility and shown themselves to be deluded and out-of-touch with reality in the past few years.

by Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:55 pm
Dragomerian Islands wrote:The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Believe it or not....the facts have no bias. Unless there is a political earthquake, Republicans are poised for victory.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/senate-model/
You have no idea of the political climate. Currently, with the information about the public opinion on current policies, coupled with the fact that the republicans do not appeal to the vast majority of minority group. Also, taking into account that the minorities are often targeted (negatively), I can make the following prediction:
73% chance that the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate
30% chance of a Republican majority in the Congress
10% (by an act of God) chance that the Republicans will gain the presidency
*These results may vary depending on the actual events during the campaigning for these positions.

by Olerand » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:55 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Sure, we've always been arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers... but at one point we were arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers who cared about our own people! A point not all that long ago, either.
Arlenton wrote:I will call him a leftist, dont think im calling him a socialist or radical or something like that, because he's really not. I know that he would be considered right winged or centrist in many other places in the world. But this is a discussion of an American election, where the Democratic Party (of which Obama is a member) is the left wing party. Im sorry I don't conform to your ideal version of what is right & left on the political spectrum. I am using the American version, since it fits the current topic being discussed and it is what I am use to using. So please show some tolerance to us intolerant Americans and deal with it?
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever

by The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:56 pm

by Benuty » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:56 pm
Stormwind-City wrote:Williamson wrote:First im pretty their is nothing in the bible about birth control anyway. secound its not make it so you have to use birth control its just make it so others have the opprunity to get birth control.
Well, considering the Bible has information on how women can get abortions, if there was mention of birth control it might not be to his liking.

by The United Territories of Providence » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:56 pm
Dragomerian Islands wrote:The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Believe it or not....the facts have no bias. Unless there is a political earthquake, Republicans are poised for victory.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/senate-model/
You have no idea of the political climate. Currently, with the information about the public opinion on current policies, coupled with the fact that the republicans do not appeal to the vast majority of minority group. Also, taking into account that the minorities are often targeted (negatively), I can make the following prediction:
73% chance that the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate
30% chance of a Republican majority in the Congress
10% (by an act of God) chance that the Republicans will gain the presidency
*These results may vary depending on the actual events during the campaigning for these positions.

by The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:57 pm
Arlenton wrote:Dragomerian Islands wrote:You have no idea of the political climate. Currently, with the information about the public opinion on current policies, coupled with the fact that the republicans do not appeal to the vast majority of minority group. Also, taking into account that the minorities are often targeted (negatively), I can make the following prediction:
73% chance that the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate
30% chance of a Republican majority in the Congress
10% (by an act of God) chance that the Republicans will gain the presidency
*These results may vary depending on the actual events during the campaigning for these positions.
90% chance Republicans make gains in both houses this year
95% chance Republicans hold the house this year
50% chance Republicans take control of the Senate this year

by Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:00 pm
Olerand wrote:Greater Weselton wrote:It violates their religious beliefs.
One can only hope you are kidding, because appropriating the notion of real victimhood for your shitty little cause is an abhorrent thing to do.Conserative Morality wrote:Sure, we've always been arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers... but at one point we were arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers who cared about our own people! A point not all that long ago, either.
Oh come now, you must know that the 1930s~60s/70s and the New Deal era was a fluke in American history, surely?
America changed to the left then, and then Reagan pulled it back to its true "center" and probably some more too.Arlenton wrote:I will call him a leftist, dont think im calling him a socialist or radical or something like that, because he's really not. I know that he would be considered right winged or centrist in many other places in the world. But this is a discussion of an American election, where the Democratic Party (of which Obama is a member) is the left wing party. Im sorry I don't conform to your ideal version of what is right & left on the political spectrum. I am using the American version, since it fits the current topic being discussed and it is what I am use to using. So please show some tolerance to us intolerant Americans and deal with it?
You can call him liberal, as he is one, both by America and Europe's rather different standards. You can't call him left-wing however, that is simply disingenuous.

by Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:00 pm

by Dragomerian Islands » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:00 pm
Arlenton wrote:Dragomerian Islands wrote:You have no idea of the political climate. Currently, with the information about the public opinion on current policies, coupled with the fact that the republicans do not appeal to the vast majority of minority group. Also, taking into account that the minorities are often targeted (negatively), I can make the following prediction:
73% chance that the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate
30% chance of a Republican majority in the Congress
10% (by an act of God) chance that the Republicans will gain the presidency
*These results may vary depending on the actual events during the campaigning for these positions.
90% chance Republicans make gains in both houses this year
95% chance Republicans hold the house this year
50% chance Republicans take control of the Senate this year
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by Othelos » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:03 pm
Kelinfort wrote:Let them win. They'll lose it all in 2016 and 2018.
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