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How would you prefer the 114th congress be set up? How will it be?

GOP House/GOP Senate
107
32%
GOP House/ Dem Senate (current)
25
8%
Dem House/ Dem Senate
148
45%
Dem House/ GOP Senate
8
2%
Other?
42
13%
 
Total votes : 330

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Postby Jamjai » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:47 pm

interesting...I wonder how things are going to be like it will be interesting

The one thing I can guess right away is that more military action in the middle east and more efficiency into that and aggressive stand on rival states(Russia, etc)

so more acting like a international police
and more deportations are one of things im expecting from GOP controlled Senate and House

oh, yea also the Keystone pipline
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Postby The balkens » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:47 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
The balkens wrote:
how?

It violates their religious beliefs.


Boo fucking hoo for them, just because they are christian doesn't mean they can deny women their right to birth control.

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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:48 pm

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Greater Weselton wrote:It violates their religious beliefs.

Where in the Bible does it say it?


You know it's in.....uh..... 1st Leuteronomations.....New International Version.
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:48 pm

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Conserative Morality wrote:Look, I'm an American. I'm proud. I'm arrogant. But...

For chrissake please don't leave us isolated here with these neo-Calvinist fundamentalists!

The only way America, or any country, really, can ever change the views of its internal society is through the influence of other nations. Let's face it: an America sick of Europe's influence would be further left to the machinations of neoliberal neocons. We're all members of NATO here. We're all buddies, right? Don't leave us babe, we can change!

With all seriousness, I'm not asking that you advocate buddying up to the US. Just, y'know, don't write us off as a lost cause yet. Give us the benefit of the doubt, even if at a distance.

It's unfortunate, but the US has all the leverage. Our elite will grovel and sell us out, as usual, and we'll be the ones getting shafted.
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America simply is this way, it has been this way since its founding, and that's fine, that's the choice the people have made, from my observations.
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Arlenton wrote:So I cant use American standards because there are more people elsewhere who don't agree with it?

A vast majority of people elsewhere, and at least a plurality of people on this forum, will not agree; so yes.

Barack Hussein Obama is a centrist fit for the French Democratic Movement, a centrist political party.
One should refrain from calling someone something he isn't.

I will call him a leftist, dont think im calling him a socialist or radical or something like that, because he's really not. I know that he would be considered right winged or centrist in many other places in the world. But this is a discussion of an American election, where the Democratic Party (of which Obama is a member) is the left wing party. Im sorry I don't conform to your ideal version of what is right & left on the political spectrum. I am using the American version, since it fits the current topic being discussed and it is what I am use to using. So please show some tolerance to us intolerant Americans and deal with it? :p

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:49 pm

Olerand wrote:Allow me to declare that as a non-American, who admittedly leans Democrat like the majority of sane Europeans, I find it downright offensive and disrespectful of America's Christians to declare themselves an oppressed minority, like the Yazidis and the Christians of the Middle East.

Literally offensive and disrespectful. There are actual Human beings dying, being raped, and enslaved out there due to actual oppression, and a government mandate that was later overturned concerning employer provided birth control does not come anywhere near actual oppression.

It's honestly disgusting, and shows the crippling problems that America's Christian community has with sharing power in a democratic regime.

Catholics are actually, de jure, a minority in France. Their opinion is disregarded, their arguments laughed at. And yet, they still have the decency to not claim they are being oppressed, knowing of the all too real oppression some suffer in the world.

It's the evangelicals. Catholics and Mainline Protestants in the States vote Democrat and don't whine like that. They state their problem, and vote accordingly, like reasonable citizens.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:50 pm

Olerand wrote:Allow me to declare that as a non-American, who admittedly leans Democrat like the majority of sane Europeans, I find it downright offensive and disrespectful of America's Christians to declare themselves an oppressed minority, like the Yazidis and the Christians of the Middle East.

Literally offensive and disrespectful. There are actual Human beings dying, being raped, and enslaved out there due to actual oppression, and a government mandate that was later overturned concerning employer provided birth control does not come anywhere near actual oppression.

It's honestly disgusting, and shows the crippling problems that America's Christian community has with sharing power in a democratic regime.

Catholics are actually, de jure, a minority in France. Their opinion is disregarded, their arguments laughed at. And yet, they still have the decency to not claim they are being oppressed, knowing of the all too real oppression some suffer in the world.


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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:50 pm

The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:Where in the Bible does it say it?


You know it's in.....uh..... 1st Leuteronomations.....New International Version.

"Lueteronomations" That is a fucking brilliant name my friend, congratulate yourself.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:50 pm

Olerand wrote:Allow me to declare that as a non-American, who admittedly leans Democrat like the majority of sane Europeans, I find it downright offensive and disrespectful of America's Christians to declare themselves an oppressed minority, like the Yazidis and the Christians of the Middle East.

Literally offensive and disrespectful. There are actual Human beings dying, being raped, and enslaved out there due to actual oppression, and a government mandate that was later overturned concerning employer provided birth control does not come anywhere near actual oppression.

It's honestly disgusting, and shows the crippling problems that America's Christian community has with sharing power in a democratic regime.

Catholics are actually, de jure, a minority in France. Their opinion is disregarded, their arguments laughed at. And yet, they still have the decency to not claim they are being oppressed, knowing of the all too real oppression some suffer in the world.


As an American Christian myself, I find it absolutely fucking offensive, disrespectful, and absolutely fucking shameful that other Christians can have the absolute fucking gall to claim they're being oppressed. I mean, to hear them talk, they're literally being crucified and lit on fire. And its fucking disgusting.
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:52 pm

The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Dragomerian Islands wrote:I am absolutely sure that you would be using a biased source.

Due to the previous elections and how the GOP distances itself from any race that is not white (I would list them but that list would be too long), the GOP crippled itself. The last presidential election was lost for them because they tried a candidate that was too conservative. If they continue down their path, they will not have any majorities or presidential seats.


Believe it or not....the facts have no bias. Unless there is a political earthquake, Republicans are poised for victory.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/senate-model/

You have no idea of the political climate. Currently, with the information about the public opinion on current policies, coupled with the fact that the republicans do not appeal to the vast majority of minority group. Also, taking into account that the minorities are often targeted (negatively), I can make the following prediction:
73% chance that the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate
30% chance of a Republican majority in the Congress
10% (by an act of God) chance that the Republicans will gain the presidency
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:52 pm

Cata Larga wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Regardless of what happened or who you think was responsible, polls show the GOP making gains in congress, with a real possibility of taking the senate.

If they still vote for the Ted Cruz clique, I'll have truly lost confidence in the American electorate. I'd still respect the public's prerogative to vote, but I'll still be bitterly, bitterly disappointed.

I actually don't know of any Tea Party members running for the Senate this year, other than maybe a few running as incumbents.

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Postby Williamson » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:52 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
The balkens wrote:
how?

It violates their religious beliefs.

First im pretty their is nothing in the bible about birth control anyway. secound its not make it so you have to use birth control its just make it so others have the opprunity to get birth control.

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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:55 pm

Williamson wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:It violates their religious beliefs.

First im pretty their is nothing in the bible about birth control anyway. secound its not make it so you have to use birth control its just make it so others have the opprunity to get birth control.

Well, considering the Bible has information on how women can get abortions, if there was mention of birth control it might not be to his liking.
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Postby Myrensis » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:55 pm

ODMS Babel wrote:How could the Republicans possible win anything at this point? They have completely destroyed their credibility and shown themselves to be deluded and out-of-touch with reality in the past few years.


It's a midterm election, which means lower voter turnout all around, and Democrats in particular have this irritating brainbug that tells them that midterms don't really count and therefore tend to show up in even lower numbers than Republicans.

Combine that with the fact that this year the Senate seats taken in the 2008 anti-Bush wave are up for re-election and voila, you have an election cycle that leans heavily in favor of the GOP.

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Postby Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:55 pm

Dragomerian Islands wrote:
The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Believe it or not....the facts have no bias. Unless there is a political earthquake, Republicans are poised for victory.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/senate-model/

You have no idea of the political climate. Currently, with the information about the public opinion on current policies, coupled with the fact that the republicans do not appeal to the vast majority of minority group. Also, taking into account that the minorities are often targeted (negatively), I can make the following prediction:
73% chance that the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate
30% chance of a Republican majority in the Congress
10% (by an act of God) chance that the Republicans will gain the presidency
*These results may vary depending on the actual events during the campaigning for these positions.

90% chance Republicans make gains in both houses this year
95% chance Republicans hold the house this year
50% chance Republicans take control of the Senate this year

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Postby Olerand » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:55 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
The balkens wrote:
how?

It violates their religious beliefs.

One can only hope you are kidding, because appropriating the notion of real victimhood for your shitty little cause is an abhorrent thing to do.

Conserative Morality wrote:Sure, we've always been arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers... but at one point we were arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers who cared about our own people! A point not all that long ago, either.

Oh come now, you must know that the 1930s~60s/70s and the New Deal era was a fluke in American history, surely?
America changed to the left then, and then Reagan pulled it back to its true "center" and probably some more too.

Arlenton wrote:I will call him a leftist, dont think im calling him a socialist or radical or something like that, because he's really not. I know that he would be considered right winged or centrist in many other places in the world. But this is a discussion of an American election, where the Democratic Party (of which Obama is a member) is the left wing party. Im sorry I don't conform to your ideal version of what is right & left on the political spectrum. I am using the American version, since it fits the current topic being discussed and it is what I am use to using. So please show some tolerance to us intolerant Americans and deal with it? :p

You can call him liberal, as he is one, both by America and Europe's rather different standards. You can't call him left-wing however, that is simply disingenuous.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:56 pm

Othelos wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:I have not read the whole article. I just did a Google search.
It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.

No one is being forced to take birth control.


Nor are the companies providing it.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:56 pm

Stormwind-City wrote:
Williamson wrote:First im pretty their is nothing in the bible about birth control anyway. secound its not make it so you have to use birth control its just make it so others have the opprunity to get birth control.

Well, considering the Bible has information on how women can get abortions, if there was mention of birth control it might not be to his liking.

Well sheep-skin is not truly effective in the face of constant sex...as the Romans would learn.
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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:56 pm

Dragomerian Islands wrote:
The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Believe it or not....the facts have no bias. Unless there is a political earthquake, Republicans are poised for victory.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/senate-model/

You have no idea of the political climate. Currently, with the information about the public opinion on current policies, coupled with the fact that the republicans do not appeal to the vast majority of minority group. Also, taking into account that the minorities are often targeted (negatively), I can make the following prediction:
73% chance that the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate
30% chance of a Republican majority in the Congress
10% (by an act of God) chance that the Republicans will gain the presidency
*These results may vary depending on the actual events during the campaigning for these positions.


Those are arbitrary numbers that literally mean nothing. No research, no actual polling. Just guesses you've made about how the electorate feels, and those guesses were influenced by your own biases.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:57 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Dragomerian Islands wrote:You have no idea of the political climate. Currently, with the information about the public opinion on current policies, coupled with the fact that the republicans do not appeal to the vast majority of minority group. Also, taking into account that the minorities are often targeted (negatively), I can make the following prediction:
73% chance that the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate
30% chance of a Republican majority in the Congress
10% (by an act of God) chance that the Republicans will gain the presidency
*These results may vary depending on the actual events during the campaigning for these positions.

90% chance Republicans make gains in both houses this year
95% chance Republicans hold the house this year
50% chance Republicans take control of the Senate this year


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Postby Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:00 pm

Olerand wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:It violates their religious beliefs.

One can only hope you are kidding, because appropriating the notion of real victimhood for your shitty little cause is an abhorrent thing to do.

Conserative Morality wrote:Sure, we've always been arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers... but at one point we were arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers who cared about our own people! A point not all that long ago, either.

Oh come now, you must know that the 1930s~60s/70s and the New Deal era was a fluke in American history, surely?
America changed to the left then, and then Reagan pulled it back to its true "center" and probably some more too.

Arlenton wrote:I will call him a leftist, dont think im calling him a socialist or radical or something like that, because he's really not. I know that he would be considered right winged or centrist in many other places in the world. But this is a discussion of an American election, where the Democratic Party (of which Obama is a member) is the left wing party. Im sorry I don't conform to your ideal version of what is right & left on the political spectrum. I am using the American version, since it fits the current topic being discussed and it is what I am use to using. So please show some tolerance to us intolerant Americans and deal with it? :p

You can call him liberal, as he is one, both by America and Europe's rather different standards. You can't call him left-wing however, that is simply disingenuous.

By Liberal what do you mean? Here in the US left wing and liberal are nearly synonyms.

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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:00 pm

Benuty wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:Well, considering the Bible has information on how women can get abortions, if there was mention of birth control it might not be to his liking.

Well sheep-skin is not truly effective in the face of constant sex...as the Romans would learn.

Well, God could pull a miracle.
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:00 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Dragomerian Islands wrote:You have no idea of the political climate. Currently, with the information about the public opinion on current policies, coupled with the fact that the republicans do not appeal to the vast majority of minority group. Also, taking into account that the minorities are often targeted (negatively), I can make the following prediction:
73% chance that the Democrats will have a majority in the Senate
30% chance of a Republican majority in the Congress
10% (by an act of God) chance that the Republicans will gain the presidency
*These results may vary depending on the actual events during the campaigning for these positions.

90% chance Republicans make gains in both houses this year
95% chance Republicans hold the house this year
50% chance Republicans take control of the Senate this year

:rofl:
On what grounds? Answer me the following questions:
1. What is your basis for the information?
2. Did your information target a specific group/audience or did it diversify its findings?
3. With the Republican Party declining in popularity, how do you expect such an outcome which would be practically and statistically impossible?
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:01 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Arlenton wrote:90% chance Republicans make gains in both houses this year
95% chance Republicans hold the house this year
50% chance Republicans take control of the Senate this year


Well the RNC does dream.

Have you looked at any polls? Democratic net gains are next to impossible this fall.

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Postby Kelinfort » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:02 pm

Let them win. They'll lose it all in 2016 and 2018.

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Postby Othelos » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:03 pm

Kelinfort wrote:Let them win. They'll lose it all in 2016 and 2018.

agreed.
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