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How would you prefer the 114th congress be set up? How will it be?

GOP House/GOP Senate
107
32%
GOP House/ Dem Senate (current)
25
8%
Dem House/ Dem Senate
148
45%
Dem House/ GOP Senate
8
2%
Other?
42
13%
 
Total votes : 330

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:38 pm

Cata Larga wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Go check some polls! You really think the Democrats will be the ones gaining seats?

Funnily enough, Americans aren't all that friendly towards people who put their country into a tailspin. The electorate will remember that little episode come November.

Regardless of what happened or who you think was responsible, polls show the GOP making gains in congress, with a real possibility of taking the senate.

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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:39 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Look, I'm an American. I'm proud. I'm arrogant. But...

For chrissake please don't leave us isolated here with these neo-Calvinist fundamentalists!

The only way America, or any country, really, can ever change the views of its internal society is through the influence of other nations. Let's face it: an America sick of Europe's influence would be further left to the machinations of neoliberal neocons. We're all members of NATO here. We're all buddies, right? Don't leave us babe, we can change!

With all seriousness, I'm not asking that you advocate buddying up to the US. Just, y'know, don't write us off as a lost cause yet. Give us the benefit of the doubt, even if at a distance.

It's unfortunate, but the US has all the leverage. Our elite will grovel and sell us out, as usual, and we'll be the ones getting shafted.
Americans' choices are their own, if they want a fifth of their people living in poverty and dying of curable diseases, then I wouldn't force our choices on them.
But I will fight tooth and nail to prevent their choices from becoming ours. I'll vote for Marine, her father, her niece, her lover, her cat and her father's dog; and join all their protests and movements before I resign myself and my country to becoming another Britain.

America simply is this way, it has been this way since its founding, and that's fine, that's the choice the people have made, from my observations.
I don't want that for France or its people and especially not our poor, and my family's been bourgeois for generations now.

Arlenton wrote:
Olerand wrote:America's standards are not the world's, fortunately.

So, no, he's centrist. Calling him left-wing because he is one in America does not change the fact that in all other developed nations, he is not so.
And we're more numerous, so our definition stands.

So I cant use American standards because there are more people elsewhere who don't agree with it?

A vast majority of people elsewhere, and at least a plurality of people on this forum, will not agree; so yes.

Barack Hussein Obama is a centrist fit for the French Democratic Movement, a centrist political party.
One should refrain from calling someone something he isn't.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:39 pm

Stormwind-City wrote:

What paragraph, your source is to long for me to spend 30 minutes searching for what you claim.

I have not read the whole article. I just did a Google search.
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Greater Weselton wrote:The birth control mandate was an attack on Christianity.


WHAT!?

It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.
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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:40 pm

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Dragomerian Islands wrote:I am absolutely sure that you would be using a biased source.

Due to the previous elections and how the GOP distances itself from any race that is not white (I would list them but that list would be too long), the GOP crippled itself. The last presidential election was lost for them because they tried a candidate that was too conservative. If they continue down their path, they will not have any majorities or presidential seats.


Believe it or not....the facts have no bias. Unless there is a political earthquake, Republicans are poised for victory.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/senate-model/

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:40 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.


That's a good thing.
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Postby Cata Larga » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:41 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Cata Larga wrote:Funnily enough, Americans aren't all that friendly towards people who put their country into a tailspin. The electorate will remember that little episode come November.

Regardless of what happened or who you think was responsible, polls show the GOP making gains in congress, with a real possibility of taking the senate.

If they still vote for the Ted Cruz clique, I'll have truly lost confidence in the American electorate. I'd still respect the public's prerogative to vote, but I'll still be bitterly, bitterly disappointed.
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Postby New Comfederate States of America » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:41 pm

While I personally dont like the Republican Party, I would rather see them in office than the Democrats, socialist, or Greens. Personally, a couple Libertarians would be nice to see in place of some Democrats. And preferably members of the U.S. Independence Party and the U.S. Constitution Party would be best. No more war-mongering democrats and republicans who spend all our money. Just my opinion. Republicans suck, but are better than the leftist.

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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:41 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:What paragraph, your source is to long for me to spend 30 minutes searching for what you claim.

I have not read the whole article. I just did a Google search.
The balkens wrote:
WHAT!?

It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.

I bet many Christian owned companies were glad to be able to provide affordable birth control.
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Postby Williamson » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:41 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:What paragraph, your source is to long for me to spend 30 minutes searching for what you claim.

I have not read the whole article. I just did a Google search.
The balkens wrote:
WHAT!?

It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.

and?

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:42 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
The balkens wrote:
WHAT!?

It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.

Which does not make it an attack on Christianity. A thing Christianity disagrees with, maybe, but not marching along with you doesn't mean there's a concentration camp in your future.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:43 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.


That's a good thing.


Exactly. Even if your particular religious sect is of the (quite stupid) belief that "life begins at conception", birth control doesn't violate that believe, because birth control prevents conception. You can't kill a life if the life hasn't even existed yet. That's basic fucking logic.
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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:43 pm

New Comfederate States of America wrote:While I personally dont like the Republican Party, I would rather see them in office than the Democrats, socialist, or Greens. Personally, a couple Libertarians would be nice to see in place of some Democrats. And preferably members of the U.S. Independence Party and the U.S. Constitution Party would be best. No more war-mongering democrats and republicans who spend all our money. Just my opinion. Republicans suck, but are better than the leftist.

"Spend all our money" You have shown you have no idea how national expenditure works.

And the left is the one that won't oppress people, take away rights and turn this country into a shithole.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:43 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.


That's a good thing.


A very good thing i might add.

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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:43 pm

Williamson wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:I have not read the whole article. I just did a Google search.
It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.

and?

It is wrong.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:44 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Williamson wrote:and?

It is wrong.


how?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:44 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Williamson wrote:and?

It is wrong.


No it wasn't.
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Postby Williamson » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:44 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Williamson wrote:and?

It is wrong.

because

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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:45 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Williamson wrote:and?

It is wrong.


No, its not.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:45 pm

The balkens wrote:
Greater Weselton wrote:It is wrong.


how?

It violates their religious beliefs.
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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:45 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Williamson wrote:and?

It is wrong.

To you, many Christians actually disagree with your opinion.
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Postby Olerand » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:46 pm

Allow me to declare that as a non-American, who admittedly leans Democrat like the majority of sane Europeans, I find it downright offensive and disrespectful of America's Christians to declare themselves an oppressed minority, like the Yazidis and the Christians of the Middle East.

Literally offensive and disrespectful. There are actual Human beings dying, being raped, and enslaved out there due to actual oppression, and a government mandate that was later overturned concerning employer provided birth control does not come anywhere near actual oppression.

It's honestly disgusting, and shows the crippling problems that America's Christian community has with sharing power in a democratic regime.

Catholics are actually, de jure, a minority in France. Their opinion is disregarded, their arguments laughed at. And yet, they still have the decency to not claim they are being oppressed, knowing of the all too real oppression some suffer in the world.
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:46 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
The balkens wrote:
how?

It violates their religious beliefs.


Corporations =/= people
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Postby Stormwind-City » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:46 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
The balkens wrote:
how?

It violates their religious beliefs.

Where in the Bible does it say it?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:46 pm

Olerand wrote:
It's unfortunate, but the US has all the leverage. Our elite will grovel and sell us out, as usual, and we'll be the ones getting shafted.
Americans' choices are their own, if they want a fifth of their people living in poverty and dying of curable diseases, then I wouldn't force our choices on them.
But I will fight tooth and nail to prevent their choices from becoming ours. I'll vote for Marine, her father, her niece, her lover, her cat and her father's dog; and join all their protests and movements before I resign myself and my country to becoming another Britain.

America simply is this way, it has been this way since its founding, and that's fine, that's the choice the people have made, from my observations.
I don't want that for France or its people and especially not our poor, and my family's been bourgeois for generations now.

Sure, we've always been arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers... but at one point we were arrogant, money-grubbing backstabbers who cared about our own people! A point not all that long ago, either.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:47 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Stormwind-City wrote:What paragraph, your source is to long for me to spend 30 minutes searching for what you claim.

I have not read the whole article. I just did a Google search.
The balkens wrote:
WHAT!?

It forced Christian companies to provide birth control.

No one is being forced to take birth control.
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